New rumor-Kerry may pick Evan Bayh

[59millionmorons]

This is one pick that may leave my butt sitting home in November. This guy is Liebermans twin.

Mickey Kaus explains why a Kerry-Edwards ticket isn't going to happen:


Kerry's a vain man and won't want a running mate the press will continually say is a better speaker and campaigner than he is
Like virtually all candidates, Kerry will want a #2 who can go negative on the opposing party while he remains above the fray. But that's exactly what Edwards has shown he can't or won't do, for fear of blemishing his goody-goody image.


Meanwhile, Kausfiles "hears semi-reliably that Kerry's polling shows that Edwards on the ticket doesn't win any states for Kerry, even in the South -- while Evan Bayh does win Indiana (which is hard to believe, Indiana being a pretty Republican state)."

[spooky3]

1. he is too conservative for my tastes.

[AVID]

47. squeaky clean . . .

a curious pic and pick


http://bayh.senate.gov/about.html

[ShaneGR]

68. He won't take an unknown

No one knows who Evan is, won't happen. They need a name as the VP.

That being said, if he does pick that guy I will not contribute or campaign on his behalf, but will vote for the ticket.

[Nlighten1]

2. Except...

he isn't Jewish...other than that he is a sell out like Lieberman and Daschle.

[Renew Deal]

3. The positives: "Moderate", southern accent, Louisiana

[goobergunch]

6. You're thinking of Breaux

who is retiring.

[Renew Deal]

64. doh

:)

[goobergunch]

4. He's right up there with Ben Nelson.

I call DINO on Bayh.

[Bronco69]

5. Bayh is WAY to

conservative for me!

[mvd]

51. For me, too

A moderate Democrat is ok, just because of Kerry's image - but he can do better than Bayh.

[Straight Shooter]

7. Why am I not surprised ...

eom

[formernaderite]

67. What does eom mean?

I'm still fairly new and trying to catch on.

[elsiesummers]

75. <eom>=end of message

[farmbo]

8. Breathtakingly stupid move...Paging Ralph Nader

I'm assuming this is just a rumor so I'll leave the rational discourse aside and just say:

:puke:

[HFishbine]

Another friggin' Bush apologist

All for the war, and as of last week, thinks WMD may still be found and that the intelligence was good.

Kerry needs to throw a bone to the anti-war left with his VP nominee, not confirm our doubts about the sincerity of his war reservations.

[Eloriel]

84. But that's not why Kerry's being chosen for us, HFishbine

NOT to appease the left, but to subjugate it.

[waldenx]

9. I guarantee it will be a DLCer

probably Breaux or Zell Miller.

[jonnyblitz]

10. I believe Lieberman's voting record might be to the left of Bayh.

I could be wrong... :shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

16. You are not wrong, Lieberman is to the left of Bayh.

Bayh is a younger version of Zell Miller.

[salin]

73. no "may be" about it - bayh started slightly left of center and has moved

progressively right. He is to the right of Lieberman without a doubt.

Oh how I hope that this rumour is just that. a rumour to be left in the dustbins of the speculations of the rags.

[BurtWorm]

11. It's this kind of threat they're foisting on us that makes me convinced

we have to strike until they show the ability to think outside the box!

PS: PLEASE, Kerry people! Talk some sense into your man! We don't need a double scoop of vanilla! PLEASE!

[JI7]

12. where did you hear it from ?

[59millionmorons]

23. ome guy named Mickey Kaus

nt

[Dookus]

33. Mickey Kaus

heard from a semi-reliable source that Kerry's polling showed Bayh was a better choice than Edwards.

Those are the facts given.

[HFishbine]

40. Damnit !!!

Kerry's going to decide his VP choice based on a poll. WTF?

[Carolina]

71. it figures

JFK sticks his finger up to see which way the wind is blowing yet again.

[BurtWorm]

56. Mickey Kaus is a little skinny idiot!

Thank god it's from him and not some reliable source!

PS: I don't need another reason not to vote for Kerry!

[IndianaGreen]

13. Evan Bayh? I will vote for Bush first!

Bayh is the puke that called the SWAT team on a peace group that came to his office in the hope of discussing the war in Iraq.

Evan Bayh is a crypto-Nazi!

[FuriousMNDem]

14. Not since 1864 have Dems and Repubs joined together on one ticket. n/t

[La_Serpiente]

15. Kerry should choose someone from a swing state

not from Indiana.

[Dookus]

17. Where's the rumor from?

Or is this just an attempt to rile people?

[the skeptic]

18. Just Great!

Yet another reason NOT to trust Kerry...I'm beginning to think if a Democrat wins in November what we will get is a kinder,gentler version of Bush who is pro-abortion rights and screws us on EVERYTHING ELSE.

I really hope this isn't true. It just shows that people aren't really interested in political reform, not now, not ever. People like Bayh are part of of the problem, not the solution.

[Eloriel]

87. That's certainly how I see it

Great post -- and welcome to DU!

[bluestateguy]

19. Won't happen

Reason 1: The feminist groups don't like him. In 2000, Patty Ireland warned Al Gore that Bayh was unacceptable.

Reason 2: Bayh is young and popular in Indiana, a Republican state where he can probably hold the seat as long as he likes. If he gives up that seat to be VP his Senate seat will fall into the hands of a Republican sometime in a special election to be held in 2005 (the Democratic governor could appoint a seat warmer to buy a little time). After that it would be hard to get the seat back in the Democratic column.

Reason 3: What states does he deliver to the ticket? Not Indiana. That state was not even close last time and Bayh on the ticket would probably have a minimal effect on the numbers in Indiana.

[IndianaGreen]

26. There are Republicans in Indiana that are more liberal than Bayh

Bayh is anti-gay and anti-choice, plus he is prowar and pro-PATRIOT. Come to think of it, he would be a perfect running mate for Kerry.

[salin]

77. friend caught him in tv two weeks ago - after Kay's most recent report

and ole evan is still swearing that the intelligence was correct, and that we will find the wmds.

Idiot.

[bloom]

49. I think this is what Bayh is after.

If Kerry goes with Bayh - that will be very depressing. :(

[Indiana_Dem]

96. If Bayh was picked as VP I probably won't vote. period. n/t

[mdguss]

54. Actually the Special Election

Would not be held until 2006. If Bayh were to become VP, the Democratic Governor (Joe Kernan--assuming he gets re-elected; he is running against Mitch Daniels--Bush's ex-budget director) would get to appoint a Senator for two years.

Kernan--before he became Governor because of the death of Gov. Frank O'Bannon--had said he wasn't going to run for Governor. A former DNC chair and a state senator were both running strong campaigns, but pulled out when Kernan decided he would run for Governor after all. Either of them would be good Senators, and stand a chance of getting elected in 2006.

[salin]

78. only good that could come of it... Kernan names Vi Simpson to the Senate

though I don't see that happening.

[LiberalFighter]

57. VP -- NOOOOOOOO Indiana Senator -- With regret but yes

The only reason I would vote for Bayh in 2004 for Senator is to keep it in Democratic hands.

You are right that he is popular. The reasons that he is popular has nothing to do with being Governor. It was:
1) He is young
2) Son of Birch Bayh, a real Democrat
3) Beautiful wife
4) Twin boys
5) Sympathy when Susan Bayh had a miscarriage before the twin boys

[salin]

76. bingo.. only reason I plan to vote for him... AS SENATOR

is because we have a pension for crazy republicans in more recent years... and we need every democratic seat in the senate we can get. But respect him? blech.

[IndianaGreen]

124. I am not voting for Bayh as Senator. I think he flunked!

I have a stack of letters and e-mails from him on a variety of issues in which Bayh has been on the righwing side. I will not vote for him.

Bayh will win reelection by virtue of all the Republicans that love his sorry ass. The GOP only has token opposition to Bayh.

Hoosiers will know what I mean when I say that Bayh is more in his element in the Columbia Club than in the Athletic Club.

[CalProf]

20. Not gonna happen.

It'll be Ford.

(Please be advised I'm always wrong on these predictions. But it won't be Bayh.)

[Dookus]

27. heheh..

I'll guarantee you're wrong on this one.

Harold Ford won't be old enough to take the job this year.

[TSIAS]

30. Not sure if Harold Ford is old enough

I think he's under 35.

[Carolina]

72. no way

Ford may be light, bright and damn near white with blue-green eyes, BUT the country, and especially the Dixiecrat repukes, are not ready for a Black VP even if he is 'high-yellow.'

[George_Bonanza]

21. It's just a rumour with no links

[59millionmorons]

29. Link

http://slate.msn.com//id/2094809/

[Cooley Hurd]

60. Mickey Kaus is a sucky source...

Kaus is probably saying this to stir up shit (look at this thread, for example).

Evan Bayh is no Birch, that's for sure...

[Exgeneral]

22. God no. Why not just PICK Lieberman?

bring back Joe-mentum!

[Cascadian]

121. Why don't he just pick Zel Miller?

God picking Bayh would be a big big mistake! What on earth is he thinking????


If this is true then the Democrats are definately going to lose for sure.


John

[blm]

24. No way. And I don't trust Kaus the Kerry hater at all.

.

[HazMat]

36. Exactly - Kaus is trying to stop

Dean/Kucinich/Clark supporters (and others on the left who may be on the fence about Kerry) from defecting to Kerry in the primaries.

I don't see how Kerry would ever pick Bayh, who basically has Liebermans' Iraq position, and who disagrees strongly with Kerry on that issue.

[farmbo]

25. Buy stock in hairspray with those two on the ticket.

eom

[mot78]

28. WTF???

Bayh? Is he kidding? Bayh is the CHAIRMEN OF THE DLC. If we do that, then Nader will get something like 10% of the popular vote if he runs. It's bad enough that Kerry has the insider image, but we don't need for it to be exacerbated.

[Tinoire]

31. I won't believe this until it's confirmed. If this is true- we're sunk n/t

[styersc]

32. As a bridge partner?

No one plays bridge anymore. That's as passe' as swiss on a cheese steak.

[HazMat]

34. Bayh sickens me

and I'm a compromising centrist.

Although the term gets thrown around indiscriminately, Bayh truly is a Bush apologist. It has less to do with Bayh's ideology. Every time I see him he is on FOX talking about how great Bush is.

I much prefer someone like Missouri's Dick Gephardt, or Florida Senator Bill Nelson. Both swing states. Both add to the ticket. Both great Americans. Both slightly to the right of Kerry.

However, I agree that Edwards adds absolutely nothing to the bottom of a Kerry ticket.

[ulysses]

35. great.

Why not go whole-hog and get Zell?

:puke:

[ButterflyBlood]

37. I doubt it

Bayh is up for reelection this year, and we could easily lose his seat.

[blm]

38. Your post needs a DISCLAIMER. Kaus is one of the worst Rove whores.

.

[Terwilliger]

39. that would be the kiss of death

Lieberman as VEEP in 2000 and Bayh as VEEP in 2004????

Time to go elsewhere.

[Karmadillo]

41. Why are people taking this seriously? It's from Kaus.

He hates Kerry.

[Old and In the Way]

42. Mickey Kaus?

I'm convinced.

[HoosierClarkie]

43. Indiana has a Huge Clark grassroots movement!

www.Indianaforclark.org

Clark visited Indiana right after he announced. Evan Bayh is not a favored son here. I think Clark would take Indiana.:hi:

[arewethereyet]

44. its all avout the electorial college

and I've been telling you guys that Edwards is no help there all along and thats why he's no interested.

Face it, Kerry needs to appear balanced in the middle and the ONLY wa to do that is to get a moderate on the undercard.

Bayh is popular and can deliver a much needed state.

Great pick if it goes that way.

[59millionmorons]

45. Max Cleland

He would be a perfect attack dog.

[LiberalFighter]

58. YES Max is the one!!!!!!!!

I think Max would split the Republican vote and the Vets

When I say Republican I don't mean Republicans. Republicans being those with political power.

[LiberalFighter]

62. Would not be worth the effort

Yes it might be a close race if Bayh was selected for VP but we would be expending too much of our resources to try and win the state.

The only way I see us winning Indiana would be if it was a landslide. The voters would have to be totally turned off by Republicans on a national level that would discourage Republicans from voting for Bush or any other Republican elected position.

[salin]

80. he couldn't deliver this state with any of the northeastern dem candidates

at the top of the ticket. Maybe supporting Gephardt (who is out), maybe with Clark (but don't know if even Clark has the pull), and even less likely but vaguely possible with Edwards at the top of the ticket. But this state, at this time, won't go for Kerry, Dean, nor (were he still in the race) Lieberman at the top of the ticket. Bayh wouldn't be enough to counter that.

Better bet is delivering Florida with the popular former multiterm governor and multiterm senator Bob Graham.

[Eloriel]

88. Then he should get a fucking MODERATE, not a rightwinger

Bayh is HORRIBLE. As someone upthread said, there are Republicans in Indiana more liberal than Bayh.

:puke:

[fujiyama]

46. He's not Lieberman...

He's worse...His record is about as democratic as that of Breux or Baucus, which means it's not.

Atleast Lieberman is socially somewhat liberal (ie gay rights, abortion) and his environmental record is decent as well...

Those three guys and that bastard Zell really don't have anything goin for em.

That's not to say I want them to change parties (except for Zell who should leave) -- but I don't want them having any leadership positions.

[Taeger]

63. That's not

That's not the Evan Bayh that I remember. I'd have to find some recent footage on him. He's pretty much a centrist in my experience.

We have to remember, if Kerry swings way left, you need someone in the center to balance that out. As Veep, he'd be largely powerless anyway.

Both Democrats and Republicans in Indiana tend to be centrist in nature. It's kinda a "middle, middle" state.

But if he's been shilling for Iraq policy as other say, he wouldn't make a good attack dog against Evil Dick.

Gephart would probably be the better choice.

[salin]

85. he has shilled past other centrist dems

in the state such as congressman Baron Hill - who voted for the war (believed the intel/lies) and now has pushed for an iraq intel inquiry since late summer.

Bayh meanwhile, was spotted on tv here in Indiana, after Kay's resignation and statement about weapons not being there (and doubting that they ever were)... saying that Kay is wrong, the intel was good, the weapons are there... all but implying all hail bush's foreign policy.

I am not alone in reflecting that Bayh has moved further to the right since bush was elected - even further than the general public sentiment in Indiana.

[mvd]

48. Gore missed a chance to have Edwards as his running mate IMO, and..

If Edwards is willing, Edwards is someone Kerry should seriously consider.

[mdguss]

50. That'd be a solid choice:

Indiana is only marginally Republican. It has a Democratic Governor (Joe Kernan--who is serving out Frank O'Bannon's term--O'Bannon died of a stroke in September). In the 2003 elections, Democrats won control of Indianapolis' metro council for the first time ever. The Mayor of Indianapolis (essentially a county executive) is Bart Peterson--a Democrat.

Indiana is no Utah. Bayh's family has a long history in the state, and he might well swing it if he is on the ticket. It'd be hard for a Republican to win without Indiana.

[mvd]

52. When it comes to Presidential elections, Indiana has been bad

No question about that. I think Kerry should pick a Southerner. We saw how Kerry didn't win South Carolina.

[elsiesummers]

79. I read Gore ruled out Edwards

because he would upstage him (same reason Kaus is suggesting this about Kerry ruling out Edwards).

And Gore ruled out Kerry because their resumés were too similar - didn't bring anything new to the ticket - was especially concerned that they would both be from wealth.

Strategically, going for Bayh makes some sense, but Gephardt or Breaux would make more sense without openning up a seat.

[mvd]

115. I think Kaus is wrong and Gore was wrong

Edwards really isn't all that flamboyant - yet he can definitely communicate.

[in_cog_ni_to]

53. Lieberman's twin

is right! He's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too conservative for my taste. :puke: Ack! Ack! Ack!

Go Wes!

[ludwigb]

55. I can't believe how many people are taking this seriously

This is Kaus for cripes sake. Nothing he writes is serious.

That said I really wouldn't put such a move beyond Kerry. Luckily he'll have advisors that will give him the heads up. There are plenty of potential VPs that don't put a spotlight on Kerry's Mass. liberal record while alienating the base at the same time.

[mdguss]

59. I'd Say These States Are winnable:

Indiana, West Virginia, Ohio, Louisana, Georgia, and New Hampshire.

If a local politician can carry their state that leaves this list:

Sen. Evan Bayh, Sen. Jay Rockafeller (Wv)., Sen. Mary Landreiu (LA), fmr. Gov. Roy Barnes (Ga.), fmr. Sen. Max Cleland (Ga,) and fmr. Gov. Jean Shaheen (Nh).


Bayh and Landreiu are probably the best two candidates.

[King of New Orleans]

66. I'd say

Arkansas, Missouri, Virginia, Arizona, Nevada, and Colorado are also potential targets to win.

Mickey Kaus is a louse. Anti-Kerry and probably the rest. (I believe he's was a Lieber-man)

Bayh may be on the list, but I don't see him being a great match.

[Eloriel]

90. Kerry couldn't win Georgia, probably not even with Cleland

on the ticket.

I LIVE here -- and Kerry has no chance in Georgia. Probably not with Barnes either. And definitely not with Rockefeller, Shaheen, Landreiu or ( :puke ) Bayh.

[oasis]

61. Mickey Kaus is a louse.

[kerryistheanswer]

65. mickey kaus is a cluesless jerk

not worth listening to. i wouldn't trust his insights or predictions.

[Jacobin]

69. Good grief

Why not just send a fucking chartered jet to Ralph Nader and pick him up in a limousine and BEG him to run.

[Cocoa]

70. great source there

Mickey Kaus is as about as reliable as Bob Novak for gossip on the dems.

[salin]

74. hoping it is very unreliable

this hoosier sees bayh as the mirror reflection of quayle - a tad bit smarter (not much), just as smug and ambitious, and not very good at representing his party.

Just the thought of it makes me queasy. With the many, many decent candidates available... Bayh? ugh ugh and quadruple ugh.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

81. Even I won't vote for Kerry if it's Bayh...hoping Mickey is being reliably

the asshole he usually is.

[salin]

82. I presume this is the case

but can't avoid saying my two cents (not about Kerry) about Bayh when the topic comes up... and hey now I don't even risk being called an Indianan ;-)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

86. Allow me to make you feel at home

If it were up to you Cynthia McKinney would run on the ticket with him. Bayh is a good candidate for Indianans. Barbara Lee can't get elected there.

[salin]

91. LOLOLOL

wow... feels like old gold (alumni) week. Of course interchangeably we could through in Maxine Waters, the late Senator Wellstone, Rep. Jackson-Lee... have I left anyone out? Oh ya, I just wouldn't understand the voting dynamics... in my own state!

[Eloriel]

83. Hah! Might as well pick Zell Miller and get the South too

Unbelievable.

[rumguy]

89. Kaus is trading on rumors - Edwards is a much better campaigner

than Bayh could ever be...

[Cascadian]

92. Kerry picking Evan Bayh????

WTF???? Oh man if this true then the Democrats might as well kiss their bottoms goodbye! What kills me is that that it's not even convention time and Kerry's already getting a "coronation"! This drives me crazy!!!


:wtf:



John

[D G]

93. Christ, even Kaus admits this is "semi-reliable"

and Kaus is a poor source for anything resembling truth about Kerry.

I guess everyone needed something to work themselves into a tizzy about tonight though. :shrug: Hating Kerry must be a pleasure type of pain.

[salin]

94. I don't know... seems more posts are

dissing Bayh than anything else. My senator has earned his status here at Du - and speaking to that when his name gets floated has nothing to do with any feelings towards Kerry, nor belief in Kaus as a reliable source. It is just a sort of reflexive response to the thought that anyone (even a tv pollster/pundit) would float Bayh's name as a vp candidate.

[Indiana_Dem]

95. Oh no!!!!!NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOO!

Richard Perle said on cspan one day that out of neoconservative thinking Democrats, Bayh and Lieberman were named by him!

I'm from Indiana and he NEVER responds to me. I even sent him a telegram about the Halliburton issue. I never heard a thing. My grandpa who has been around politics a LONG time says he is nothing like his father was. I'm almost thinking about not voting for him this year for Senate because of these things!

I have to live with him and Dick Lugar as my senators and Chris Chocola as my representative!! UGH!

[salin]

99. HRDem... if it is any comfort

here at the other end of the state we were redistricted to centrist Baron Hill. He spoke at the Jefferson Jackson day dinner just before the IWR vote and was adamently against the vote unless there was reason to believe there was an immenent threat. Said that throughout the district (far beyond our littlel liberal patch of land) he kept hearing concerns about... why now? why this war? (this was September 2002). I can not tell you how disappointed we were when he voted for the resolution.

BUT this past summer a group of folks gathered signatures on a petition - getting more than 1,000 (mostly outside of Bloomington - so it couldn't be discounted) of people requesting an inquiry into the iraq intelligence. When they gave the petition to Hill - he indicated that he had already signed on as a cosponsor. At each subsequent meeting he has expressed more anger. Apparently he was skeptical... heard the trumped up intel just before the vote... bought it... and has come to realize it was trumped up... and is outraged. Seriously transformed. Very encouraging. May not help you up there - but much of who he is representing (southeast part of the state) is NOT Bloomington and mirrors much of the state in sentiment. A very good sign. Though it doesn't really help with Chocola... any word on any primary dem challengers to Chocola?

[Indiana_Dem]

103. Yes there is....Joe Donnelly.....

I sent an e-mail to via the Indiana Democrats asking if there was any need for support for the guy who will be running against Chocola. I've never received a response yet. Someone gave me this article on another board (I just found it):

DEMOCRAT JOE DONNELLY TAKES ON REP. CHRIS CHOCOLA IN IN-2
Republican Chris Chocola may be one of the wealthiest Members of Congress, but he doesn't want to give up his day job. You see, he has a cause he really cares about: Making sure that his wealth stays in his family - and nowhere else.
That's why he voted against legislation to force mid-size and large corporations to pay their fair share of taxes. And opposed extending unemployment benefits for out of work Americans. Chocola has even gone so far as fighting to reduce worker's pay by voting to reclassify many employees as "executive, administrative or professional," thereby exempting them from overtime pay. (HR 2660, 7/10/03)
Apparently, Chris Chocola only cares about American workers if they happen to be corporate executives. The district he represents has a large population of steel workers, whose retirees face health benefit cuts because of President Bush's recent decision to lift steel tariffs.
"Those are the kind of people we're going to fight for in the campaign," Democrat Joe Donnelly said of the steel workers. Donnelly announced on December 8th that he is seeking the Democratic nomination to oppose Chocola in the November 2004 elections.
A respected attorney and business owner, Donnelly is particularly concerned about local manufacturing and steel employment in the wake of rampant job loss in the area and will emphasize differences in trade policy from those of the Bush Administration. On Democratic concerns ranging from fighting for senior citizens to supporting our troops, Donnelly is expected to wage a hard-hitting-campaign. The campaign, which is expected to be well financed, will benefit from what the South Bend Tribune termed "district wide support."
Although many believe that Donnelly's reputation as a law professional and sympathetic politician will lead him to victory, Owen Morgan, 2nd District Democratic chairman, predicts Donnelly will ultimately win "because he is in touch with the issues."
Keep your eyes on this one.

I'm going to campaign like there's no tomorrow for this guy if I can find out where to go! lol

[salin]

109. so your local dems

aren't a whole lot more coordinated than ours... lol!

I like his framing of the issues... might work. While I can't volunteer (its a tad bit of a commute...) please keep me (and other hoosiers) posted... maybe we can send some help up that way... that is if you can find out where to go... lol!

[Indiana_Dem]

110. Thanks! We don't even have a Democrat headquarters

in my town of 20,000! I think they sold it so they could use the money for campaigning!!!! How embarrassing!

I will jot down all of you Hoosiers' names and maybe we can keep in touch through this season this year!

[salin]

113. please do

and I know of a number of others (not on this thread)... we really should figure out a way to stay in touch and communicate throughout the campaign season.

[Zomby Woof]

97. oh please

It's a RUMOR, and a bad one at that, yet everyone is wailing away like it has happened.

Bayh will NOT be on the ticket. This is very typical of primary season hype and bullshit.

[Indiana_Dem]

98. Okay, I hope you're right. n/t

[salin]

100. Give me a break zomby

so a rumor gets floated about your least favorite senator... and he is YOUR senator... and you take the opportunity to vent about that senator... and now it means you are jumping on some kind of rumour rather than taking the oppty to vent?

Come on - let me vent about Evan when the oppty arrives without imputing anything else upon me (like accepting a rumour as fact...) or are you going to take that guilty pleasure away from me ... :(

[Zomby Woof]

104. I didn't even have you in mind

This had nothing to do with your reaction - I just think some took it as another reason to jump on Kerry and suspect the worst about him. Plus, the thought is so abhorrent that I think by my sheer will I have made it an unfounded rumor. :-)

No way would I deny you your right to take Bayh to task. This wasn't about you - you're the farthest thing from a rumormonger on DU (other than that nasty post you made about my yak and my silk stockings the other day, you sick Hoosier!)

[salin]

106. lol... did I do a yak post

:D

Actually dispersed throughout this thread are mine and other hoosier vents... not related to kerry bashes... starting to think I am not alone in this particular guilty pleasure (the bayh bash when given the opportunity...)

[Zomby Woof]

112. I can only read the name "Bayh" so much...

So I skimmed over those. Plus, the idea of you being angry disillusions me, so I was more sensitive to the other issue.

I suppose now I will have to share my corner with the yak! He doesn't like LaRouche OR Bayh either, if that will shorten our sentence. :-)

[salin]

114. hehe

yes it indeed will heck.. no corner time for zomby and the yak!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

108. I heard Kerry's gonna pick Nader as a running mate

I have it on a very good source.

(it's a joke...you have to clarify those things now if you post in this forum)

[Zomby Woof]

111. Humor? In here??

What are you, some kind of heretic?? *Puts LaRouche sticker over screen to block out NSMA's evil words*

[Terwilliger]

116. I'm sure people were saying that LONG before Gore picked Lieberman

and then he picked Lieberman...

[kurtyboy]

101. I doubt the heck out of it

Bayh was the architect of the Defense Of Marriage Act. Bayh is more conservative than almost any Dem you can name, and if picked, would be an ornamental VP in the administration.

I believe John Kerry has bigger plans for his VP--bigger than just pandering for a few votes in the General Election. Real Deal means we'll get a real VP candidate....

[liberalpragmatist]

120. Yeah, plus Kerry likes Edwards

Kerry has apparently long told his friends and associates how strong a Kerry-Edwards ticket would be. Kerry also gets along well with Clark, so I could see that too. Either of them would be the best running mate, though Richardson could work too.

[GreenArrow]

102. Bayh

:puke:

[JCMach1]

105. Bayh is somewhere to the RIGHT of Lieberman

at least Joe had a decent voting record...

If this is a trial balloon...

PLEASE send you displeasure to the Kerry people...

BAYH... no thank you...

Might as well take Zell Miller...

[Indiana_Dem]

107. I agree, Kerry people, tell the campaign no way to Bayh. n/t

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

117. He's the head of the DLC right?

yikes.

[liberalpragmatist]

118. As a Kerry Supporter, I hope not

Bayh gets somewhat of an unfair rap on this site. He's a solid centrist Democrat, and he fits Indiana well. There's no problem with him being a Dem senator - we need some pragmatic centrists.

But VP? Hell, no. Kerry can do FAR better, and he'd better take a good look at the political environment. We want someone in the center of the party, and someone who will help unite the Democrats. The DLC has been incredibly divisive so far in this cycle and if Kerry picks Bayh as his running mate, it'll be a disaster - nobody wants the Head of the DLC as Veep.

He should go with Edwards or Clark, or failing them, Richardson. If he has to go with a centrist, better for it to be Mark Warner of Va., who isn't so hated by Progressives.

[Indiana Democrat]

119. OUTSTANDING CHOICE!!!

Evan Bayh is a great man and a great Democrat! He'll help balance-out the more liberal Kerry.

VERY smart move!!!

[liberalpragmatist]

122. NOOOO!

Like I said, Bayh's a perfectly good guy, IMO, and I'm glad he's a senator. But Kerry would be an idiot to put him on the ticket! Does the mood of this site not tell you something? Whether or not it's fair, the fact is that the base is not going to accept the Head of the DLC this year. Maybe in 12 years or something, if Bayh has moved somewhat to the left and the political climate is different, then he can be President or VP. But right now is the WRONG TIME. If Bayh is the nominee, LOTS of progressives will go Green. If you want to unite the Party, don't Pick Bayh. He'll divide it. Pick someone in the center of the party who's ideologically close to Kerry, but differs from him stylistically, not Bayh, who's not very charismatic and who's very, very centrist, possibly even slightly center-right.

[Indiana Democrat]

123. The mood of this site?

The "Mood of this site" was giving Dean and Kucinich about 75% of the vote a few months ago...With Sarpton and Braun pulling another 5%.

Yes, the mood of this site tells me something...Bayh would be an outstanding choice in the real world.

[Crunchy Frog]

125. If he does

I'll vote for the ticket in November, then promptly dump my Democratic party registration.

I think a big part of why Gore did as badly as he did is because of going with Lieberman as running mate. It certainly made it easier for me to go with Nader. I would really hate to see Kerry make the same kind of mistake.

[Uzybone]

126. Wow

an unfounded rumor spread by a slime ball by Kaus as you all up in arms. Are there still any liberals on this board? Or is it just Anti Kerryites now.