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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:08 PM Original message |
Did Kerry and/or Edwards vote for the Bush tax cuts? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Kerry.. |
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Caution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
2. Vote-smart.org |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. From CJR: Cutting Through the Tax Cut Rhetoric |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. This is radically misleading |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Spin it anyway you like... they both voted FOR Bush's tax cuts. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. You're wrong; you can't even read what you're quoting |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Have *you* read it? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. That's supposed to be incriminating? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. Purity is right and you haven't refuted her. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. No, they voted against them and fought very hard in the process |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. They voted *FOR* it: the naked, probably therefore uncomfortable FACT. n/t |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. You are absolutely wrong! |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I submit you to my post #3 |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. The answer is NO. They did not vote for the Bush Tax Cuts |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Alexandrian ferries also run on the Nile... |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Show me how the '02 bill was part of the "Bush Tax Cuts" |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. "unprincipled liar" too huh... |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Lying is worse |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I want to elaborate on your last paragraph. |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:41 PM Original message |
We don't need "rhetoric champs" - we need a DOER |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
13. Clark is not a "doer", he's a CRITIC |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. He's a critic because it's CRITICAL to change "politics as usual" |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Nice rhetorical flourish there; but you're not addressing the issue |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. You're now accusing Clark of being a liar? |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Yes, I'm saying that Wesley Clark deliberately lied |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
15. We need communicators and persuaders. Clark is neither. |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Had a Great Communicator before |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. And imagine if he had been a Democrat, like Clinton, Kennedy, and FDR? |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Good grief |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Hitler is the rhetorical opposite of Kennedy, JFK, Clinton and Edwards. |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Let's stop that right here and right now |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. FDR's rhetorical skills kept US from going fascist. JFK's probably got him |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. They proposed 900billion in tax cuts instead of 1.3trillion |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. On Bush tax cuts... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
17. Here is more information on the 2003 Tax cut votes |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. That vote was to REDUCE the bill from 550 to 350. Be honest. |
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bain_sidhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 09:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. YOU be honest... they voted FOR a $350 bln tax cut. Period. n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 10:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. NO. They did NOT vote for that 350 bil. in the final vote. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
27. From FactCheck.org |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Thank you. Clark lied; it's as simple as that, just like Dean did. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Actually Clark was telling the truth if you consider this: |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Wrong. The quote is "they voted for them". |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. A little Anal Retentive don't you think? If lot of people get a tax cut |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Then by that flimsy logic, |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Ouch. That's a good post. |
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SangamonTaylor (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Clark supporters are really stretching |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Absolutely correct: "just like Dean did" |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
41. Looks like Clark |
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