4 simple reasons why voting against our nominee this Fall is UNACCEPTABLE

[ringmastery]

I know some of you have disagreements with Kerry over his stance on the war and the patriot act, but throwing away your vote to a third party or staying home in protest is UNACCEPTABLE, now more than ever.

Do you realize that all 4 of these supreme court justices are in their 70's and 80's and some are in failing health?

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Chief Justice William Rehnquist
Justice Sandra Day O'Connor
Justice John Paul Stevens

It is VERY likely all 4 will retire within the next 8 years.

Allowing Bush to lock in a majority of the supreme court for the next 40 years with Scalia's and Thomas' should send shivers down the spine of anyone who claims to be a progressive.

Hold your nose. Do whatever you have to this Fall, but vote for our nominee, whoever it is, or you may regret this decision for the next 40 years.

[RedEarth]

1. Great point

I thought you were going to name Bush, Cheney, Wolfwitz and Rove, however, the Supreme Court justices that will be retiring need to be replaced with some progressive judges.

[BootinUp]

2. Not a problem, just don't ask me to take cod liver oil too. :)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

3. there are other reasons but these are 4 very very important ones

I am surprised Sandra D. has held out so long. Apparently selection 2000 gave her a good reason to stay and repair the damage she did to her legacy.

[NNN0LHI]

4. It does send shivers down my spine. I think about it every damn day

>>>Allowing Bush to lock in a majority of the supreme court for the next 40 years with Scalia's and Thomas' should send shivers down the spine of anyone who claims to be a progressive.<<<

[Ficus]

5. if you care about choice

vote DEMOCRAT, not ABB. Because I don't forsee any Greens nominating people to the Supreme Court in the next 4 years.

[RafterMan]

6. Backwards

Those are four good reasons the party should come up with an acceptable nominee.

I'll give the nominee every possible chance to win my vote, but I'm not going to let someone use the Bush bogeyman to scare me into voting for something I don't believe in anymore than I'll let Bush use the Osama bogeyman for same.

I'll bend this year, but I won't break.

[bowens43]

7. It is never unacceptable to vote for the person on the ballot

you believe to be the best candidate. To do otherwise is unacceptable or should be.

[MAlibdem]

13. That assumes that the best candidate

Is the one you like best.

Many people feel the best candidate is the one who can win and they like OK.

Or, like me, you get both!

But people will clearly vote for the best candidate, they just decide differently what "best" means.

[mb7588a]

8. Not just voting against, but also not voting at all. nt.

[Iverson]

9. I will vote for civilization.

I will not be forced or browbeaten into making a mockery of my democratic right to vote.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

10. Only YOUR issues matter

Ours don't matter.

[ringmastery]

11. the cases the supreme court tries

matter to all of us.

[NNN0LHI]

17. Don't you understand? A SC justice is more important than a president

A president is only around 4 years. Maybe 8. But a SC justice is around for decades. It is a lifetime job! The SC justices that old man Bush appointed put Junior into the White House for Christ's sake.

Don

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

20. Don't you understand?

A Democrat that acts like a Republican may as well be a Republican.

[NNN0LHI]

22. So we get rid of Bush and don't like the Dem in 4 years we get another one

Can't do that with a SC justice. See the difference?

Don

[Terwilliger]

26. "if you don't like the Dem, in 4 years we get another one"

Another Dem? Why get a different one? You'll vote for whoever it is anyway!

[blondeatlast]

31. Way too many don't get this, I'm afraid, but SCOTUS is crucial.

[MAlibdem]

12. If Scalia

Does not recuse himself from the Cheney case...

And we get the Prez, Senate, and House...

wouldn't it be glorious to kick him off the bench?

Beautiful dreams...

[lastliberalintexas]

14. I would not be voting *against* Kerry

I would be voting FOR a candidate in whom I actually believed. And before you or anyone else flames, I feel quite comfortable voting however I darn well please. I live in Texas after all- my vote won't count in November even if the Dem wins the 49 other states. If our candidate is Kerry and if (and that's a big if) he is polling close to Shrub in late October, I may reconsider. Until then, I'll vote FOR someone, rather than simply voting against Shrub.


And haven't we had enough loyalty oath threads for the day?

[Jacobin]

15. That's about the only reason

But, the old Repuke farts on the SCt will probably go on life support rather than give up their seats during a Kerry Admin.

That's a real concern.

[CWebster]

16. The exact same reason they rode people to support Gore

last time around.

How many elections are they going to pitch that one? If they really cared that much they would help promote a candidate that the broadest base could actually rally around rather than pitch their own inside players, while crushing populist choices, and then use the same threats every time as a desperate ploy to get everyone to drink their koolaid...again.

[NNN0LHI]

19. And it is just as important now as then. Remember Bush v. Gore? n/t

[Democrats unite]

18. There is only one flaw with your post

Kerry is not the nominee! nobody is. I would wait to ask this question after we have a nominee.

[FubarFly]

21. I am aware of the consquences,

and am prepared to accept them.

The long-term consquences of a corporate takeover of the Democratic Party are far far worse. The very pinnings of our democracy are at stake in this election. My vote will not be cast idly or lightly.

[NNN0LHI]

23. The old things got to get worse before they get better stuff, huh? n/t

[FubarFly]

25. Things are already intolerable.

A principled choice means weighing all of the factors- including all lesser and greater evils, and deciding the best course of action. I will not relinquish this duty by declaring blind support of anyone. If our votes don't make our representatives accountable for their actions, then our votes are worthless.

[Fleshdancer]

24. My vote. My right. My responsibilty. My choice.

While I'll probably end up voting for the nominee, I'm getting a little tired of people preaching to me about how I should vote.

I don't think using fear tactics is an acceptable way to get votes. It can't be just about how bad the other guy is, but also about how your candidate is going to make things better for this country.

[OneBlueSky]

27. if you think about it, we've been damn lucky . . .

that Bush hasn't had an opportunity to appoint a Supreme Court justice . . . yet . . . you can bet the farm that, if reselected, he'll have one or two appointments in the next four years . . . and that will effectively end Roe v. Wade and women's right to choose . . . I don't care who the Democrats run, he or she will get my vote based solely on this issue . . .

[adriennel]

28. I object

to your phrasing "throwing away your vote to a third party". Staying home and not voting is unacceptable, I agree. But Dems are not going to win more votes by dissing Independents. I have the right to vote for the candidate I support, and you have the right to vote for the candidate you feel will win. We do not have the right to tell each other to change our votes. Don't get me wrong, I will never ever ever vote for a Bush. I intend to do everything I can to get him out of office. Right now I am on par with the Dems...the only way they can go imo is down (PS Kerry's not helping). If the Dem candidate supports policies that I strongly object to, I cannot vote for them. There may be a reason people vote third party instead of Dem, and it might be an issue worth looking into.

sigh...I wish we could clone Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She's my fave Supreme Court Justice!:loveya:

[LoZoccolo]

29. Wave.

:hi:

[dolstein]

30. I think you're wasting your breath

After all that has happened since the 2000 election, if people who consider themselves to be political liberal STILL have to be convinced that they need to vote for the Democratic nominee, than in all likelihood they will NEVER be convinced.

Seriously, it's about time that we accept that fact that a very small percentage of voters on the left (albeit a much larger percentage of the DU community) are politically suicidal. They are determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They consider voting for a candidate who has support from the Democratic establishment (as any politically viable candidate would) to be the ultimate sell-out. In short, they prefer to support losing candidate because it allows them to wallow in their own self-righteousness.

[creativelcro]

32. I'm not left, I'm a centrist. And I'll vote Dean IN GE.

[progressiverealist]

33. these are the same people who stop liking any band that becomes popular

If you support someone whom the "establishment" is touting, then you're not counter-culture enough.