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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:31 PM
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baffling exchange between Bush and David Gregory
Courtesy of Dan Froomkin at WaPo (a daily must read)


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

By contrast, you have got to read Bush's bewildering reply to NBC reporter David Gregory, who asked: "hat has happened to America's clout in this region that you've committed yourself to transform?"

Bush: "David, it's an interesting period because instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.

"For a while, American foreign policy was just, let's hope everything is calm, kind of managed calm. But beneath the surface brewed a lot of resentment and anger that was manifested in its -- on September the 11th. And so we've taken a foreign policy that says, on the one hand, we will protect ourselves from further attack in the short-run by being aggressive and chasing down the killers and bringing them to justice -- and make no mistake, they're still out there, and they would like to harm our respective peoples because of what we stand for -- in the long-term, to defeat this ideology, and they're bound by an ideology. You defeat it with a more hopeful ideology called freedom.

"And, look, I fully understand some people don't believe it's possible for freedom and democracy to overcome this ideology of hatred. I understand that. I just happen to believe it is possible, and I believe it will happen. And so what you're seeing is a clash of governing styles, for example. The notion of democracy beginning to emerge scares the ideologues, the totalitarians, those who want to impose their vision. It just frightens them, and so they respond. They've always been violent.

"I hear this amazing kind of editorial thought that says, all of a sudden Hezbollah has become violent because we're promoting democracy. They have been violent for a long period of time. Or Hamas. One reason why the Palestinians still suffer is because there are militants who refuse to accept a Palestinian state based upon democratic principles.

"And so what the world is seeing is a desire by this country and our allies to defeat the ideology of hate with an ideology that has worked and that brings hope. And one of the challenges, of course, is to convince people that Muslims would like to be free, that there's other people other than people in Britain and America that would like to be free in the world. There's this kind of almost -- kind of weird kind of elitism, that says, well, maybe certain people in certain parts of the world shouldn't be free; maybe it's best just to let them sit in these tyrannical societies. And our foreign policy rejects that concept. We don't accept it.

"And so we're working. And this is -- as I said the other day, when these attacks took place, I said this should be a moment of clarity for people to see the stakes in the 21st century. I mean, there's an unprovoked attack on a democracy. Why? I happen to believe, because progress is being made toward democracies. And I believe that -- I also believe that Iran would like to exert additional influence in the region. A theocracy would like to spread its influence using surrogates.

"And so I'm as determined as ever to continue fostering a foreign policy based upon liberty. And I think it's going to work, unless we lose our nerve and quit. And this government isn't going to quit.

"Q I asked you about the loss of American influence in the region.

"PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, David, we went to the G8 and worked with our allies and got a remarkable statement on what took place. We're working to get a United Nations resolution on Iran. We're working to have a Palestinian state. But the reason why -- you asked the question -- is because terrorists are trying to stop that progress. And we'll ultimately prevail, because they have -- their ideology is so dark and so dismal that when people really think about it, it will be rejected. They just got a different tool to use than we do: They kill innocent lives to achieve objectives. That's what they do. And they're good. They get on the TV screens and they get people to ask questions about, well, this, that or the other. I mean, they're able to kind of say to people, don't come and bother us because we will kill you.

"And my attitude is, is that now is the time to be firm. And we've got a great weapon on our side, and that is freedom, and liberty. And it's got -- those two concepts have got the capacity to defeat ideologies of hate."

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:34 PM
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1. Gregory should have finished by asking one more follow-up
"Q: So in other words, you've got nothing?"

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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:35 PM
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2. So essentially what * is saying is that Islamist faith is an
ideology of hate.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:35 PM
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3. What a complete embarrassment SOOOOOOOO DUMB
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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:37 PM
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4. He never listens to the question...
because he doesn't want to. He just says the same b.s. over and over again. * is the most pathetic excuse for a human being on the face of the earth.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:42 PM
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5. Especially so because he is the Presinent.... Damn....
Pathetic indeed.
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:49 PM
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6. It's Always a Talking Point
Never answer a question. Just spout the repetitive talking point over and over. Sadly, it works. More than 60% of those polled today believe Saddam Hussein was connected to 9/11. We must change the rheteroic somehow.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:06 PM
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7. Pull the string, get a random answer.
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:14 PM
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8. GOD I HATE THIS MAN....Pschopathic insane moron. I keep hoping
I'll wake up!
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thefuzz811 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:16 PM
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9. Look at the irony of this statement.
"They just got a different tool to use than we do: They kill innocent lives to achieve objectives. That's what they do. And they're good. They get on the TV screens and they get people to ask questions about, well, this, that or the other. I mean, they're able to kind of say to people, don't come and bother us because we will kill you."

Someone could say that about the U.S.
:wtf:
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:35 PM
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10. After starting off by blaming someone else
Let me see if I can not answer your question in 10,000 words or less.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:38 PM
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11. I'm glad they are still lookin' for them fellers' who attacked us
on 911...

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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:46 PM
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12. He's reading from his script
He's already said this billions of times. Apparently he has it memorized now. He can't answer questions, he can only spout talking points sent to him by his masters.
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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:03 PM
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13. And at this point
"PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, David, we went to the G8 and worked with our allies and got a remarkable statement on what took place. We're working to get a United Nations resolution on Iran. We're working to have a Palestinian state. But the reason why -- you asked the question -- is because terrorists are trying to stop that progress. And we'll ultimately prevail, because they have -- their ideology is so dark and so dismal that when people really think about it, it will be rejected. They just got a different tool to use than we do:

They kill innocent lives to achieve objectives.

I thought the transference issue was more than I cared to listen to AGAIN,:eyes: and switched channels.
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loves_dulcinea Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:09 PM
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14. i'm so embarrassed
to be an american right now. god i hope this son of a whore goes to prison. he needs a husband to keep him straight.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:10 PM
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15. And this man is the leader of the mightiest country on earth?
Be afraid. Be very afraid.

BTW the rapture is Thursday. Pencil it in.
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SeattleVet Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:11 PM
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16. What's 'baffling' about this exchange?
It makes perfect sense when you realize that * is 100% totally bugnuts-freaking insane.

I get the feeling that he'd fit right in with some of the people that Reagan got tossed out of various hospitals and turned out onto the street in the name of mental health care 'reform'. When he's not reading from a script, or having someone tell him what to say via the earpiece, he tends to makes nearly as much sense as the guy that used to stand near the entrance to the WTC subway station to harangue people headed for the E train, just rambling and babbling on.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:41 PM
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17. Who would want to manage calm when
you can play war with the other chickenhawks? The idiot has ruined our country and its good name. America used to be a beacon of hope in the world. Now we only speak with bombs. There's no beacon and no hope.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:04 PM
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18. I think I could read a physics book and
be able to follow it easier than *'s interview responses... :crazy:

...
"David, it's an interesting period because instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability" uh... first of all, what's wrong with a foreign policy that tries to create stability? and second of all... um... your foreign policy is not at all addressing the root causes of violence and instability... YOU ARE CREATING IT AND PROMOTING IT! how do you not get that? Violence promotes more violence! If somebody is pissed off at you, you don't go punch him in the face and expect your relationship to get better! Most of us learned that in Kindergarten...

Gawd, I can't stand listening to/reading this idiot. He's such a freakin' embarrassment.

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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:10 PM
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19. He might as well have
just asked him about the pig. :shrug:
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:50 PM
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20. I fully understand that when he says that he fully understands the
next words he speaks will be fully off the point or fully bogus.
That phrase from his lips is like fingernails on a chalkboard.
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