Dean says he's out if he doesn't win Wisconson

[Jersey Devil]

Dean Says He Must Win Wisconsin or Be 'Out of Race'

FLINT, Mich. (Reuters) - Democrat Howard Dean said on Thursday his once high-flying U.S. presidential bid would be over if he did not win the Wisconsin primary on Feb. 17, declaring "the entire race has come down to this."

"We must win Wisconsin," the former Vermont governor said in a memo to supporters. "A win there will carry us to the big states on March 2 -- and narrow the field to two candidates. Anything else will put us out of the race."

http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/377343|top|02-05-2004::08:46|reuters.html

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. Next he'll move the goalpost to California, or the convention.

[BayCityProgressive]

2. is he ahead in the polls there?

[Nashyra]

5. Dean supporters

Hop on the Clark wagon if Dean does not win, we can keep alive more than a 2 man race. Dean and Clark are both the "outsiders", at least think about it. The longer this race goes on the worse *'s poll numbers look. Every time a candidate gets out they can lay a huge hit on * and the ones in race can keep it going.

If I offended anyone with this post I apoligizw it was idrected to the comment about a 2 man race. I have not given up on Dean, I hope he does come in first in Wisconsin

[AP]

8. Clark as a symbol of being an outsider: after leaving military

he traded on connections to make millions lobbying for firms selling crap to the US government.

I'm not saying that this guy isn't entitled to make a buck, but, as in terms of being an outsider, I think Bush will be able to use it to make it hard for Clark to complain about Bush's transfer of wealth to the wealthy.

[Renew Deal]

14. And then you have the Edwards

Who is a real insider that shills for the banks and lawyers, and votes witht he Republicans. Remember, Edwards proudly voted for the IWR and the Patriot Act. He still stands by it.

[OKNancy]

25. Crap? what exactly did he lobby for?

A vaccine and an electic bicycle..... even if you factor in the database..I'm sorry but that is weak

[Jersey Devil]

7. Don't know, last poll I saw was back in December when

he was way ahead. Funny thing is that he was also pointing to the Washington caucuses this weekend and he didn't mention them in the story so I am wondering if that is not going badly as well.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

22. Are you talking about CA? Kerry is way ahead in WI, see post 18

[Skip Intro]

32. I hope he does move it to the convention

I'm really not in the mood for a coronation.

[Baclava]

3. G'bye...

...so long, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[Jersey Devil]

4. Beg your pardon?

LOL, does that mean I am on your ignore list for posting something you don't want to hear? I am a Dean supporter and I am not at all happy about the prospect of Dean being out of the race, but sometimes you have to face reality.

[Baclava]

19. Nah....you're OK

But Dean wants another $700,000 to campaign in ONE state.
And then, another and another.....?
I just feel sorry for people throwing away their money on a dog that can't hunt...but, it's your money...enjoy...and stop the hatred against those candidates that actually get people's votes.

I swear, a lot of people around here are wrapped too tight...
win lose or draw, it's the game that counts. Cia!

[Nashyra]

10. Sorry but this type of post re don't let door......

is totally uncalled for, we are supposed to be on the same side, legitmate differences of opinions of the candidate yes or why you don't particularly like one or the other I can see, but blatantly rude I don't think so. Alot of people have worked long and hard for their candidate and deserve to be recognized for at least taking a stand and trying to make a change in this country. No matter what you think of Dean he has motivated this 04 race and given hope back to the Dems that they can take the WH back. IMHO

[Jersey Devil]

12. My sentiments as well

I didn't know if his reply was aimed at the Dean campaign or me, the messenger. Yes indeed, the Democratic Party owes a lot to Howard Dean and in fact to all the candidates who have drawn so much attention to this nomination process by providing such a large number of highly qualified candidates to choose from.

[Cuban_Liberal]

6. Dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=273028&mesg_id=273028

[Jersey Devil]

9. not exactly

The other post had no source other than an unsubstantiated "CNN" report and no quotes.

[Cuban_Liberal]

11. Same subject + same day = dupe.

:)

[Jersey Devil]

13. Beg to differ

The first post was simply a rumor. This is backed by fact and a more detailed description of what was said.

Did I commit some sort of "crime" by elaborating?

[Cuban_Liberal]

15. It's still a dupe.

There is no substantively different information conveyed in this post. :shrug:

[Name removed]

16. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Cuban_Liberal]

17. I am patiently trying to convey useful information.

I'm not sure my efforts aren't being wasted, however.

[Jersey Devil]

20. Well, don't let me stop you from your important duties

I have always felt that more information is better than less. But if you feel it is vital to limit information on a subject once it is mentioned at any time during the day at DU I suppose you have other important stops to make to make certain that the people here aren't given too many facts.

Good luck with your endeavor. It's a worthy goal.

[Padraig18]

21. No one is trying to limit information.

Each subject occupies a line on page one. If there are two identical subjects on page one, that means that a completely different subject is pushed on to page two. This is the reason that there is a rule against duplicates. It is a good rule, and people are right to attempt to see it enforced.

[Jersey Devil]

23. Well, yes, but it wasn't the same information

In the other topic the poster said, very briefly, he heard something on CNN saying Dean would drop out if he didn't win Wisconson. I provided details, a link and quotes demonstrating exactly what was said about it and how vital they feel it is to the Dean campaign.

Frankly I'd rather talk about the subject matter and not get wrapped up in rules. I find it amazing that I actually seem to have offended a few people because I posted useful information.

[Padraig18]

27. You should have posted into that thread.

You've not offended anyone (at least not me), but taking the information being posted about the rule on duplicates to heart might help you with your posting in the long run. No one was 'attacking you', merely trying to help you to understand the 'whys and wherefores' of the rules. :)

[Jersey Devil]

28. understood

Thanks

[Padraig18]

30. Hey, NP!

Every one of us were newbies once. :hi:

[Clark Can WIN]

24. Same Day is not a Dupe, front page is.

Also other post unlinked and centered on CNN, not Dean.

Not Dupe.

[Jersey Devil]

26. Thank you

I believe that other post was bumped up to page one after I posted and besides that, the other had no link or detail.

I understand the need for rules but my short time here has already taught me that there are a lot of folks consumed with form rather than substance.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

18. Kerry way ahead in latest Wisconsin poll

The poll, taken by the University of Wisconsin Survey Center and sponsored by The Capital Times and Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

Of the possible candidates mentioned for the White House, John Kerry led, collecting support from 45 percent of Democrats and 29 percent of independents polled. He also was the Republicans' favorite, with 31 percent.

Wesley Clark, John Edwards and Howard Dean picked up no more than one-third of Kerry's level of support, and others even less. The poll was taken while Joe Lieberman was still in the running (he was preferred by 4 percent of Democrats and 8 percent of independents), so the numbers may have moved since then. Fifteen percent of Democrats and 23 percent of independents still had not chosen a candidate.

In a separate question inviting respondents to suggest a president, 4 percent said "anybody but Bush."

"Things are still fairly up in the air, people are not terribly anchored," Ferree said. "A lot will depend on what people hear about specific candidates."


http://www.madison.com/captimes_news/67441.php

[dolstein]

29. Now if only Al Sharpton and Dennis Kucinich will make a similar commitment

NT

[SEAburb]

31. I think it will take the hook to get those two grandstander off the stage

DK has fallen in love with the spotlight.

[Moderator]

33. Dupe

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