Edwards ties for first in Oklahoma! At least his web site says so...

[Tweed]

Does anyone else think this is kind of odd:
http://www.johnedwards2004.com/home.asp

I guess when you are so far behind in experience, you have to go for that extra 1,000 votes and say you tied.

I hope he gets some people laughing at this. Maybe they will start looking at his record. Part of the reason why Edwards runs a clean campaign is because he is so vulnerable.
Edwards attacking Kerry or Clark would be like a man yelling to a grizzly bear "Hey! Over here!"

[BeyondGeography]

1. Click on it, and you get the donation template

No explanatory text about the so-called "tie."

Weasel politics.

[krkaufman]

43. Here it is

[Mobius]

2. If Clark had won 80% of the votes in OK ...

They would still have tried to take it away from him. Label it as a fluke, or whatever. What I do find odd though, was considering Edwards is a lawyer, he must have been a pretty crappy one, if he can't read numbers well.

[AnnitaR]

3. Well, I'm thinking he's not very bright now.

I mean the guy didn't know who Rabin was!

Maybe he should have skippped playing Senator and took some math classes!

[FeelinGarfunkelly]

4. I found that odd as well..

I know that earlier in the day it only said "thank you South Carolina".. sounds like a stretch to me.

[Julien Sorel]

5. Does he have Joementum yet?

Lieberman was crucified for this very trick, as I recall.

[anti-bush]

6. There's a difference

Between 30% to 30% and whatever the Joementum (5% behind or whatever it was) three way tie.

I'll admit that he didn't "tie for first". But I'm pretty sure in John's busy schedule, he hasn't had time to go back and update his website yet. He may not have internet access on his bus, and hasn't had a chance yet to upload the new graphic he's been working on in photoshop. :-)

[Tim_in_HK]

7. Well he better find the time!!

Among the skills I DEMAND in a presidential candidate is someone well versed in graphic design and has 24hr Wi-Fi access!!
;)

[Tweed]

9. I'm glad the people working on his campaign are honest

[Clark Can WIN]

40. Oh Puhhhleeeaaase...................

You think JE does hiw own website? You really think that?

[LiberalBushFan]

8. A tie is when you have the exact same number of votes as someone else.

I'd let it go if I didn't think that if Clark were 1000 behind Edwards and said he tied then MSNBC would have headlines saying Clark distorted results to cover his dismal performance in OK.

[HFishbine]

10. Gore Tied for First In Florida

That kind of tie?

[Renew Deal]

12. good point

:)

[Cuban_Liberal]

22. Let's ask the SCOTUS. n/t

[AP]

23. If Gore had "won" all the primaries by this margin in states where

he'd been in a big lead and spent way more time and money then the person who came in second who was a optimistic southerner with less money and a real concern for how people who work for a living experience Ameirca, then I think we would have been stupid not to look deeper into the candidacy of that southerner and we shoud have thought about trying to get that other guy's message out a little more to see if it would stick better than Gore's.

Result: a 2000 victory.

[tishaLA]

11. It's more of his negative campaigning

he "tied" for first and for third in OK and NH. It's a "tow man race" between him and Kerry. It's Orwell speak.

[PurityOfEssence]

13. He lost by .00042 of the vote; he lost by .00038 in New Hampshire

That's slightly more than 2/5ths of a percent; a whopping total of 1275 votes in Oklahoma. The margin in New Hampshire was 839 votes.

Lieberman knocked Edwards out of second place in Delaware by 26 votes; yes, that's right TWENTY SIX VOTES total.

On the other hand, Edwards beat John Kerry in South Carolina by 15 1/2 percent.

Say what you may about that entry in the website, but since Oklahoma hadn't been willing to certify the vote, it's mighty damn close.

Edwards has also gotten the short end of some crucial squeakers here, too, so give him his due. Imagine how frustrating that'd be if it was your guy...

[Cuban_Liberal]

15. Thank you.

Logic is always more appealing than ridicule and low comedy lampooning, not to mention substantive.

:hi:

[andym]

44. Correcting your numbers: he lost by .42 % = .0042 etc

Your numbers are wrong by 10X: 0.42% where 100% is maximun.
It is equal to .0042 where 1.0 is equivalent to 100%.

[PurityOfEssence]

45. you are incredibly correct; thanks and sorry

I smile thinly with chagrin...

[theboss]

14. Didn't they get the same number of delegates?

In that sense it is a tie since delegates are what really matters.

Anyway, this is what candidates do. They spin every near-defeat into a victory.

Lieberman called NH a three-way tie for third. Clark claimed to have won the Non-New England portion of New Hampshire. Kerry celebrated his "strong second" in North Carolina (where he lost by 15 points). Sharpton said that with 9.8 percent of the vote in SC, he . . well he did some damn thing or another.

Relax. If this is the worst lie Edwards tells this month, he is the most honest politician ever.

[AP]

17. There's no "winner" in a primary. People are only looking at relative

performance and delegate count, and, in that sense, it was a tie.

More importantly, it shows that Clark isn't that great of a campaigner.

[SahaleArm]

30. Thank Barry Switzer - Edwards campaigned in SC n/t

[AP]

36. And that ain't a bad thing.

[Tom Rinaldo]

37. No. Clark got 15 delegates, Edwards got 13 delegates n/t

[AP]

16. This is exaclty the way I'd try to spin this if I were a Clark supporter

embarassed by Clark's poor performance in OK.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. dupe post

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Clark having 1400 MORE

votes in OK., is not a tie. Maybe it is in a trial lawyers world...but not mine. He's being disingenuous when he says that. Sleazy. But he's running a "clean" campaign. :eyes:

Go Wes!

[AP]

20. Clark not winning in proportion to effort he put out, and Edwards

closing out of proportion to the effort he put into OK is the story.

If Clark's promise is that the more you get to know me, the less you'll like me, I don't know how people can look at him as a serous GE candidate.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. What's that got to do with

Clark winning in OK. and Edwards and claiming he tied? NOTHING!

Go Wes!

[AP]

27. It has to do with winning the general election

And if you get less popular the more you campaign, that's a problem.

Clark is great on paper, and he's not great when he starts campaigning.

What he said about abortion was the most absurd thing said by any candidate other than Dean's yeargh, and Clark's prone to things like that.

[Cuban_Liberal]

21. Oh, please!

It's not 'sleazy'. Sleazy would be saying that WC was fooling around on Gert, or something similar. :eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Sleazy

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2 a : marked by low character or quality <sleazy tabloids> b : SQUALID, DILAPIDATED <sleazy bars>
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- slea·zi·ness /-zE-n&s/ noun

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:eyes:

[AP]

29. sleazy: three different positions on abortion and then saying to

a woman in the audience to pick the one she wanted to believe.

[tishaLA]

32. Link?

[Cuban_Liberal]

31. The definition does not apply.

Try 'puffery'--- it's MUCH closer to the mark. :eyes:

[SangamonTaylor]

25. no, until it is certified there is no winner (remember '00?) and...

even after it is certified it will be a statistical tie. Everyone knows that this is typical word usage, because it's obvious that an exact number of votes will never be an exact tie.

Why are so many Clark supporters trying to undermine Edwards' performance? Are they scared?

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Why should we be scared?

Clark took OK...1st place, came in 3rd ..AHEAD of Edwards in NH. Clark took 2nd in NM ..AHEAD of Edwards. Clark took 2nd in AZ.. AHEAD of Edwards. Clark took 2nd in ND.. AHEAD of Edwards. Edwards won his birthstate. Big whoop. :eyes:

Go Wes!

[Cuban_Liberal]

33. No mention of Iowa?

Oh, that's right--- he didn't compete there!

[mikehiggins]

38. No mention of a guy who's only been in the race five months mixing

it up with folks that've been running since 2002?

The scary thing about Clark, in the eyes of the pros (no, I don't mean the hookers down the block...well, maybe in a sense), is that he has come this far, this fast, throwing all the rulebooks out the window.

Yeah, he's screwed up big time, not getting his story straight, making unnecessary and controversial comments, giving his opponents the opportunity to look better and more polished. And yeah, the media has treated his campaign so badly that I'm surprised he's still in the running, and not imprisoned in Guantanamo.

And yet, the campaign marches on. Edwards might appear to be Robert E. Lee but Clark looks more like Grant. A couple of more election days and it may well come down to Kerry vs Clark and won't THAT be amazing?

To all those folks who decry where the campaign is now, I suggest they look back to August 2003, and see where we were then. The voters aren't our enemies; time is.

[Carolina]

35. thanks, incog

More votes is more votes, period. And our guy got more votes.
This is still a 3 man race and it over 'til the delegate lady sings!

[Rooktoven]

46. more votes in OK, not SC

or Missouri...

[DjTj]

34. ...and you wonder why Edwards gets more press coverage...

...he makes his own news.

If you're at the mercy of the press, you are vulnerable to their attacks.

If you write your own headlines, you win.

I give props to Edwards' Press Secretary.

[TexasSissy]

39. And Lieberman tied for third place in NH! Talk about a spin.

[Padraig18]

41. Who cares what his website says?

This is absolutely a non-issue, somewhat akin to the raging debates among 17th-Century Jesuits about how many angels could stand on the head of a pin.

Petty...:eyes:

[JI7]

42. i thought Kerry did pretty good in OK and SC

would prefer first in both of course. but thought he did pretty good in both states.