Lieberman just said Iran is behind Hezbollah attacks on Israel...

[zulchzulu]

In an interview with Ed Schultz, Joementum towed the Chimpy line again.

That's it. Last straw for me. Lamont HAS to win.

[GrantDem]

1. Bush will probably use the attacks as justification to bomb Iran n/t

[zulchzulu]

7. That is precisely what Joementum wants to happen...

Al Gore needs to sucker punch this idiot and tell him to join the Repugs. Enough damage has been done...

[gasperc]

60. i ahve the same thought

the X'x have already been drawn on the 'suspected' nuclear sites. I'm sure their back ass ward thinking has them believing the implosion of the Iranian government will clear the way for Utopia in the Middle east, Gawd help us

[Joanne98]

2. Of course he did.

[simon0596]

77. and why is that?

Because it's very likely true........your dislike for the messenger doesn't, in and of itself, refute the veracity of the message

[bullimiami]

3. HEY JOE. SHUT UP.

[BigYawn]

29. Are you the modern Neville Chamberlin who advoated taking no

action against Hitler?

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[bullimiami]

41. id answer if your question made any sense.

[The Magistrate]

47. Actually, Mr. Yawn

The unfortunate Mr. Chamberlain sought to turn Hitler against Stalin as his leading policy objective. His own private prediction of the result of the Munich Pact shortly after its signing was that it would last no more than a few months. He was the architect of England's re-armament program begun at great cost in the closing years of the thirties, and considered, with some sense behind the view, that delaying the armed confronation was an absolute necessity if it was to be won when it commenced. There are few episodes of modern history so routinely distorted as that of the Munich Pact....

[BigYawn]

48. Thanks for that heads up...that part of history is not well

publicised. All I have ever heard is how Neville
Chamberlain capitulated to Hitler's demands.

[The Magistrate]

50. What He Did, Sir

Was balance a number of items, and display a certain degree of ignorance about Central Europe. It is certainly apparent from some angle of hind-sight he might have done better, but it was by no means a pure act of capitulation.

Czechoslovakia was part of an alliance of small states courted by France with English backing that was envisioned as a cordon against Soviet expansion at its foundation. These were not willing to oppose Hitler, as they had come to view him as a better protector against Stalin. Stalin wished to "assist" the Czechs, but would require permission to cross Romania to reach it. Neither Romania nor it Western patrons would allow this. Neither France nor England had any means of delivering asistance directly to Czechoslovakia, and could have assisted only by attacking Germany directly, which neither, for better of worse, felt their military forces were up to. The potential for Czech resistance was quite under-rated: the country had a substantial arms industry, based on the old Skoda works, and actually had better and more numerous tanks than Germany did at the time, though German propaganda had rather clouded that point. Chamberlain felt the Czechs would simply be over-run in a few days, and the Czech leader Benes knew that without help, he would lose eventually, however stout a stand was made. Chamberlain faced also, from a purely English point of view, the possibility that war with Germany, while it was established in support of Franco in Spain, already clearly on top in that country's civil war, would lead to thje capture of Gibraltar and severe England's communications into the Mediterenean, while Italy's recent comquest of Ethiopia provided another potentional arm of a pincer against England's Middle Eastern possessions and protectorates.

[Ikonoklast]

59. Bingo! Nailed that one with one post

Neville Chamberlain knew exactly what he was doing, trading time for re-armament. He was fully aware of his countrys' military position and strength numbers vis a vis Nazi Germany.

Germany had the most modern mechanized army on the planet at that time, and they had tactical experience honed in the Spanish civil war. England was at least ten years behind the curve when it came to modern armaments, let alone training.

[Zhade]

72. I think you owe the poster AND Chamberlain an apology.

Iran is not going to attack us. Don't fall for the lies. After Iraq, I'd hope you'd know better.

[agincourt]

73. Actually Chamberlin gets a bum rap,

By the time of Munich, he knew there would be war with the Nazi eventually. His "appeasement" was to buy time for the RAF to prepare against the Luftwaffe. People forget how big of a military the Nazi's had and no one anticipated Hitler attacking Stalin.

[MissWaverly]

4. Hey, Gonzales we need a gag order for Lieberman

while you are handing out gag orders for RFK's lawsuits over DRE's, could you please just
issue 1 tiny gag order for Lieberman, after all, he has a (D) after his name.

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[Double T]

6. What would expect joe to say.......

we don't need bush democrats.

[Kagemusha]

8. Man, Lieberman's being ignorant here.

Everyone knows Syria pulls Hezbollah's strings. :)

...Well Robert Fisk says so, and while I don't pay for articles so I don't see much but his initial blurb on The Independent's web site, he knows his stuff pretty well, and well, we know at minimum, Hezbollah doesn't listen to the government of Lebanon.

[papau]

27. Hez is financed/influenced by Iran, Hamas has main office in Syria

Syria controls neither organization - but Syria does permit Hez and Hamas to hang around in territory where Syria could throw them out. Indeed, it allows weapons - terrorist weapons/rockets/bombs - to move through territory it controls and to be fired at Israel from Territory it controls.

Iran has actually given orders to Hez and Hez has carried those orders out. I don't know if that is control - it may just be appreciation of the paymaster.

[Sam Odom]

9. Hezbollah are

puppets of Iran & Syria...

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12. May be but

my post is true

[Master Mahon]

14. Likewise n/t

[Sam Odom]

17. This is why so many dems will side against Israel regardless

of the facts...

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[Master Mahon]

23. And the 'facts' are???????? n/t

Israel is providing the grand setup for our attacking Iran and possibly Syria. In exchange we let Israel do what it damn well pleases. Meanwhile everyone who gets in either of our way can go to hell in a handbasket!

(Israel will probably provide support for us with Iran and Syria no doubt)

[lastknowngood]

11. And we are Israel's puppet. If you try to exterminate and indigenous

population, they will fight back.

[BigYawn]

30. Better to be puppets of Israel than the islamofascists Iran & Syria.

[LincolnMcGrath]

36. Using bushco/pnac terms like islamofacsist hurts your argument.

[JerseygirlCT]

39. Or those in Saudi Arabia, for that matter

You know, our good buddies.

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[LowerManhattanite]

43. Good Lord...

"Pakistan & Iran are full of islamic
fundamentalists who follow their holy book Koran which preaches
killing & destroying all who refuse to convert to islam."


Get help. Please.

[CJCRANE]

54. I remind you that 9/11 was financed out of

Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan all Bushco "allies" and also personal business partners of the B*sh family.

Iran & Syria had nothing to do with 9/11, their main crime is not to do business with Bushco.

[IndianaGreen]

46. Make your mind up! Iran is a Shia theocracy while Syria is secular Suni

Been watching Faux today? They were having a field day there spewing that crap!

[JerseygirlCT]

57. Syria provides shelter, and Iran money and direction

They're seemingly united by their virulent hatred of Israel -- enough to overlook their own religious differences.

[The Magistrate]

71. Actually, My Hoosier Friend

Syria's ruling clique is Alawite, as small sect considered heterodox by orthodox Sunni believers. It is, of course, secularly orieted through Ba'athist ideology, which as you know roots itself in the fadcist movements of Europe in the twenties and thirties.

The fact is that Iran and Syria co-operate in the mainrainance of Hezbollah: Iran provides money and arms and personel for training; Syria serves as the pipeline through which these travel, and provides sancuary on occassion, in exchange for Hezbollah's political support in Lebanon. The element in charge of the pipeline, of course, has the capability of shutting down the whole operation, and so can exercise considerable leverage against both the ends it serves to connect.

[bluedog]

63. and Israel"puppet of USA?

[madeline_con]

So the PNAC plan is right on track...

Someone had to say it, why not Israel's spokesman, Lieberman? You can believe it'll be repeated until 50% of American idiots (sorry, Green Day) believe it's true.

Lest we forget, this is also DUH-bya's baby. So much for democratizing the Middle East. Careful what you wish for, Chimp-like dillhole!

[rodeodance]

24. most likely we have that 50% already -or more

[saltpoint]

13. Well, Joe's wrong. I happen to know the attacks are being financed by

JoAnne Fabrics.

Talk about a story coming out of the blue, heh? But there it is.

Ok, I'm kidding.

I don't KNOW, clinically, that Iran is involved. I don't consider them angels, but it does seem suspicious that of a sudden, Iran is held up as the bad guy when no other discernible reason can be found to attack it.

I'm not establishing a connection I don't have, but I don't trust the Bush administration to sprinkle paprika on a casserole. They've lied for 6 years to us; why would this week be any different; and as per his usual, here's Joe Lieberman grandstanding and hyping their axis-of-evil bullshit.

Right on cue.

[madeline_con]

15. You can stop walking on eggshells now, Old Crusoe.

There had to be some kind of conection made here. Like Saddam and Al-Qaeda. :eyes:

[saltpoint]

19. Hi, madeline_con. Yes -- al-Qaeda is EVERYWHERE!

They've doubtless infiltrated JoAnne Fabrics and are running the entire world terrorism operation from its various stores throughout the West.

Good God we're all ruined!

Ok. I concede the possibility that Iran does not wish us good tidings -- no question there -- but we have not been especially friendly toward Iran either, both over the years and lately. George Bush included Iran in his Axis of Evil, and let me say one more disparaging thing about Joe Lieberman for jumping in front of the microphones and cameras to support the notion that Bush's Middle Eastern view is legitimate.

It isn't.

Go, Ned Lamont. I agree with zulchzulu -- we need Lamont now more than ever.

[RDANGELO]

16. They would have to be out of their minds.

The Iranians would have to be out of their minds to have the risk of this being traced to them. They already have everyone on their backs about the nuclear program. It would make as much sense as Saddam giving WMDs to terrorists. STOP PUSHING THE BS JOE!!!!

[applegrove]

18. Well where does the terrorist funding come from? Saudis and Iran. Rich,

non democratic middle easterners. Duh!!!

Question is.. why did * want this "money thing" to come to a head ... now? Cause he has had 4 years to put the screws to Palestine and say "buy a fucking school district instead of terrorism you assholes".

New policy. Make the Saudis and Iranians have to build what they blow up with terrorism. And like all things neocon.. the timing seems absolutley.. slower than what we would expect from such a bunch of hard - asses? I mean could not the USA, CANADA, EU have threatened the previous Palestinian government with withdrawl of aid if suicide attacks continued?

Why'd they wait for Hamas? They had lots of proof Arafat was getting arms shipments.

[movonne]

21. He has gone on my "Who cares what he has to say " list, and

the list gets bigger everyday..

[deaniac21]

22. There is absolutely no connection between Iran and

Hezbollah. Israel isreal bad.

[Jai4WKC08]

26. Hezbollah has always been a client of Iran

This ain't new info, and it ain't a Chimpy line. It has nothing to do with the Bush lie about Saddam and al Qaeda and it doesn't justify military action against Iran.

But it is a fact.

[zulchzulu]

28. While I agree that Hezbollah is Persian, Joementum wants a war w/ Iran

My point about this thread is that Lieberman seems almost joyous at the idea of a war with Iran.

From my angle on the recent events in Gaza, there is as much blame to go around with Israel as there is with Hezbollah. Israel wants a free pass to kill hundreds of innocent Lebanese because they know they can get away with it. And since we arm them with our tax money and weapons, we are as much to blame.

A true leader would see BOTH sides of this inane war and not want to drum up more bellicose propaganda to further make the Middle East a ticking time bomb.

[skids]

31. Is it me or...

...did the "fair and balanced" Mehlman Brigade member on Wolfie's show right before Dobbs seem so nervous and concerned about playing down the importance of today's conflict that he was barely able to squeeze this talking point out.

I guess a 166 point drop in the Dow can do that to some people.

(Now don't get me wrong there is probably some shred of truth to be had there WRT Iran and Syria, but the very fact that it's going out at such high volume over the Rove-o-phone today with all the orifaces singing in tune should be a clue as to just how thin that shred must be. The only use for a meme blitz like that is to lie and/or exaggerate for effect. Color me unconvinced.)

[ChiciB1]

32. News Flash.... Saudis Said Today That Hezbullah Should Be Careful..

they are worried about all out war in the region. Plus MSM is pushing the Iran, Syria connection.

Now, since I'm now absolutely dubious about almost ANYTHING I hear from MSM, I just don't know for sure. What I do think though is that Israel seems to be over-reacting a bit. Looks to me like they are itching for a real fight and one that they feel they can really show some might. I'm not comfortable with what I'm seeing at all, but I've heard far too many lies that I don't think we'll know for sure until sometime later.

That's how much faith and trust I've lost in my country because of The Idiots who are running it like fools!!

As for Joe, who cares what he has to say anymore, I just hope he loses BIG TIME! I started "not liking him" back when he ran in 2004!

[Vadem]

33. I said the same thing you did when I heard him on Ed Shultz...

If that is not a wake up call to the Dems who are still supporting him, I don't know what else to say to them!

[PassingFair]

37. I missed the program...

Did Mr. Schultz have BOTH LIEberman AND Lamont on
together?

Did they debate or speak directly TO each other?

What else was said?

Er....maybe I should go look at a transcript, no?

[yurbud]

34. Was Karl Rove drinking a glass of water while Vichy Joe said that?

"and for my next act..."

[JerseygirlCT]

38. Uh, I'm no Joe fan, but

Hezbollah is supported by Syria and Iran.

And Iran has been quite vocal about its desire to see Israel washed into the sea.

There's no stretch in thinking the Hezbollah incursion was supported by Iran.

What is it you think is incorrect about that?

[zulchzulu]

45. I found Lieberman's excitement with going to war with Iran a little sad

As I have mentioned in some responses, Hezbollah is actually a Persian movement. They are basically all that the Palestinian people have as a defense against the US-tax-funded Israeli Army...that doesn't mind bulldozing land in Gaza and offering no other solutions or allowing for a truly peaceful solution in that endless eye-for-eye war.

Lieberman would rather side with the Chimp and attack Iran than deal with a diplomatic solution that would save millions of lives and not make us face a spiraling, endless bloodbath of madness...

A real leader would look at all sides of the argument and find a common goal to peace. Lieberman (and the Chimp) are far away from ever having that vision and maturity.

[The Magistrate]

53. The Hezbollah Is Shia, Sir

That is not interchangeable with Persian. Most all Persians are Shia; some Arabs are Shia. It is true that Shia regard fellow sectarians warmly across ethnic divides, being a distinct and often persecuted minority within Islam, which the Sunni sect dominates, but that is not quite the same thing. You might as well call a Puerto Rican a Bavarian because both are Catholic.

The idea that Hezbollah is in some way an army of Arab Palestine, and all that stands between them and Israel, is one of those things it widens the eyes to see in print. The movement is wholly Lebanese, and owes its origin to the ethno-religious and geographic divisions of the country. It is rooted in the south of the country, and commenced in part as a counter to the overlordship of the P.L.O. there after its expulsion from Jordan. It became a leading vehicle of resistance to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon to expell the P.L.O. a quarter-century ago, and a major player in continuing Lebanese civil strife. That it is hostile to Israel is an expression of Islamic solidarity on the question, not of any affiliation with Arab Palestinians, and its hostility is rooted in interpretation of various Koranic texts. Being so rooted, it is not amenable to negotiation on the question: it sees the destruction of Israel as a religious duty, and will not be swayed from it. It is unfortunately a fact that peace cannot be made with persons who consider it a betrayal of their sacred duty to make it, no matter how much one might wish it were possible to do so, or even how sensible the course might be.

[JerseygirlCT]

56. Thank you. Exactly. nt

[joe_shmoe]

42. **PETITION AGAINST MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAN**

Fuck Lieberman all to fucking hell.

Attack on Iran = WWIII and the collapse of the US. This madness must stop.

It is with grave concern that I observe the growing threat of a new U.S. war--this time against the people of Iran.

For a collection of articles and resources on this subject you can visit this link: http://reseaudesign.com/research/iran/iran_summery.html

I'm starting up a petition which I will be sending out to as many members of Congress as possible. I'm asking for help to get this signed by as many people, possible in the next month. Send it to as many people you can.

http://www.petitiononline.com/n0war1rn /


thanks,
J-shmoe

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[wiley]

49. Israel and Iran are at war. Israel may want Syria and Lebanon

involved so they can take out their purported enemies all at once. Then again, Iran may be trying to do the same thing, since they control Hezbollah. Of course Lieberman wants to take out Iran. Would you expect otherwise? Has history ever demonstrated anything else about the relationship between Israel and Iran but their intransigent hatred? Iran would gladly and ruthlessly take over Iraq in a second. Guess where they would go next.

[The Magistrate]

51. No, Ma'am, Israel Is Not Behind The Hezbollah Attacks

The chief of that organization, Sheik Nasrallah, has quite proudly spoken of the actions of his men in carrying them out.

[HuffleClaw]

52. the entire 'crisis' is merely a rather complicated pretext for WAR

with iran. make no mistake. it is suprising they'd try to blame iran so directly so early in the crisis though, a tad blatant if ya asks me. i'd have expected something more along the lines of 'an intercepted arms shipment'.

[theboss]

55. That's actually probably true

So...there you go.

[FormerDem06]

58. Wait a minute.......

Lamont has to win now?!?!?!?!?

Lamont is worth $200 million dollars. Lamont graduated from Yale and his great grandfather was the chairman of J.P. Morgan Chase. Lamont's father helped to rebuild Europe with the Walkers and the Bushs after WWII. He also served in Nixon's administration.

He considered himself an Eastern moderate Republican as late as 1992.

Lamont refuses to disclose his income tax returns, I'm betting he's heavy into a lot of the stuff Bushco is into then.

Sounds like another Skull & Bones guy in sheep's clothing to me.

Is this whole thing about Lieberman's support for the war? He votes the party line 90% of the time. Lamont is unproven and has the support of several Republicans in his state.

This could turn out to be disastrous for the Democratic Party.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. ...

:rofl:

[calico1]

66. "FormerDem?"

Now that's an interesting name for a new member to this forum. :eyes:

[FormerDem06]

69. yep I am unaffiliated now....

No party allegiance, can't stand what any of them are doing to our govt.

Hate war, Hate corporations, Hate graft and corruption.

So which party do I go for? well I've definitely not libertarian....green party maybe?

No clue here.

But I am serious, this whole thing is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. The guy is uber-rich and completely out of touch with the common person. Not that Lieberman is much better IMO.

[Zhade]

61. What a fucking FOOL!

Like the Iranian government is that stupid!

[Snivi Yllom]

64. Iran certainly is involved. They manufacture some of the rockets.

Many of Israel's neighbors are involved, not just Iran.

[bluedog]

67. and as the US (weapons To Israel)

[truebrit71]

65. Who cares what Zell Lieberman has to say about anything these days?

He's a complete tool and needs to be thrown out of the Democratic party. If he won't vote along Democratic Party lines then he shouldn't get any Democratic Party cash or help.

I dearly, dearly hope that Lamont beats his ass in August....

[High Plains]

68. Why doesn't he run for office in Tel Aviv?

[jfkjunior2004]

70. IRAN, SYRIA, the TERRORISTS

As an American before I'm a democrat look at this situation and say this is the opportunity for America and Israel to rid the Mid East regimes of Terrorist org. If we appease these men that run Syria and Iran they will gain the power and prestige of the Mid East and become the Modern Day Fascists regime. We must stop these men and their ideas before this becomes an even bigger problem. We must act now or we will regret it in the long term!!!!

[mmonk]

75. Toppling nationstates won't stop terrorism.

How many wars and how many countries will we have to go to war with? Are all countries of Arab or Persian descent terrorist organizations? Or, are all Muslims terrorists? I'm not a fan of Syria or Iran, but do you think the world will sit back and watch?

[simon0596]

76. how many wars?

No, all countries of Arab or Persian descent are not. But Iran and Syria demonstrably are. Further, Lebanon's either given tacit approval to Hezbollah or lacks the willpower/spine to do anything to curb their behavior.

Can you name a solution to Hezbollah's "various nefarious" that doesn't involve Iran's hoped-for destruction of the state of Israel? Likewise a solution that Hezbollah will find acceptable?

If Lebanon didn't want this to happen, then perhaps they should have rooted out those wackos themselves. Israel's ambassador to the UN said to the Lebanese ambassador as much yesterday.

[mmonk]

78. I believe 20%

of Lebanon's newly elected government are hezbollah. Their hands are tied and their military too weak. Hezbollah came into existence due to and in reaction to Israel's past occupation of Lebanon, is this not correct?

The middle east will continue to be tit for tat until someone in the world shows leadership. How many lives do we need to continue to sacrifice by participating?

I also find it interesting we supported Syria staying in Lebanon in the past because it brought an end to the violence and chaos there before. Now, our postion is everything is their fault.

[mmonk]

74. Maybe he'll get his war yet.

What an orgasm for him.