Military Now Recruiting Neo-Nazis, Skinheads!

[Vyan]

From The New York Times.

A decade after the Pentagon declared a zero-tolerance policy for racist hate groups, recruiting shortfalls caused by the war in Iraq have allowed "large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists" to infiltrate the military, according to a watchdog organization.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks racist and right-wing militia groups, estimated that the numbers could run into the thousands, citing interviews with Defense Department investigators and reports and postings on racist Web sites and magazines.

"We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad," the group quoted a Defense Department investigator as saying in a report to be posted today on its Web site, www.splcenter.org. "That's a problem."

No Shit, that's a problem. This is a catastrophy, just waiting to explode on us all. We haven't had a report this ominous since the 1995 murders near Ft. Bragg by reported Skinheads in the Army.

Two Fort Bragg soldiers described as skinheads by Army acquaintances were arrested today and charged with murdering two people in what police called a racially motivated attack.

The suspects, Malcolm Wright Jr., 20, and James N. Burmeister, 21, both with the 82d Airborne Division, were each charged with two counts of first-degree murder, said Lieut. Tom Bergamine of the Fayetteville police. Both suspects are white; the victims, a man and a woman, were black.

The police described the killings as random and said the victims had been shot in the head with a semiautomatic handgun. The victims were found in downtown Fayetteville just after midnight Wednesday. They were identified as Michael James, 36, and Jackie Burden, 27.

What do you think is going to happen when this brand new breed of Skinheads, with military training return home to the U.S. after several years in Iraq with the kind of free reign to do as they will we've seen in killing of 24 civilians in Haditha, and the Rape and Murder of a 15-year old Iraq Girl and her family.

Back to NYT.

The report said that neo-Nazi groups like the National Alliance, whose founder, William Pierce, wrote "The Turner Diaries," the novel that was the inspiration and blueprint for Timothy J. McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, sought to enroll followers in the Army to get training for a race war.

Holy. Fucking. Shit. Not the Turner Diaries boys again. You wanna talk about real home grown terrorist, you can forget about those pathetic kids from Liberty City, this is the real deal. You're talking Eric Rudolph (The Atlanta-Olympic Bomber) with training in munitions and counter insurgency.

"They're communicating with each other about weapons, about recruiting, about keeping their identities secret, about organizing within the military," he said. "Several of these individuals have since been deployed to combat missions in Iraq."

The report cited accounts by neo-Nazis of their infiltration of the military, including a discussion on the white supremacist Web site Stormfront. "There are others among you in the forces," one participant wrote. "You are never alone."

"Light infantry is your branch of choice because the coming race war and the ethnic cleansing to follow will be very much an infantryman's war," he wrote. "It will be house-to-house, neighborhood-by-neighborhood until your town or city is cleared and the alien races are driven into the countryside where they can be hunted down and 'cleansed.' "

He concluded: "As a professional soldier, my goal is to fill the ranks of the United States Army with skinheads. As street brawlers, you will be useless in the coming race war. As trained infantrymen, you will join the ranks of the Aryan warrior brotherhood."

It was cute when David McSwane pulled a Sting on Army recruiters by pretending to be a high-school dropout with a marijuana problem and filming the recruiters as they help him fake a Diploma and pass the drug tests -- but this shit isn't funny anymore.

This put all of us at risk for the long haul, if these nutty fuckers actually try to implement the race war that McVeigh was trying to start. And considering the level of Racist Rhetoric coming from the Reich-wing these days -- it's not hard to figure out how this stories going to play out.

Vyan

Crossposted on Truth 2 Power

[sui generis]

1. well it's the Honor System when they ask you

if you're a skinhead and a racist, if you're out to break the law. There is no 'test' you can administer to keep them out.

However, putting a real racist in the military has to be torture - since the military is pretty broad-spectrum human.

So they get some pop guns and start making trouble. Before long you've got Koresh and Ruby Ridge and all their "heroic" defiance of the real world (in their own minds).

Newsflash bozo skinheads: we've seen that movie and trust us, you won't like how it ends.

[PegDAC]

23. Recognizing Neo-Nazis

The vast majority of them have tattoos, by which they can be recognized. At this point, with the difficulty in recruiting, they're taking anyone.

[DinahMoeHum]

2. It's not just skinheads. Street gangs are also getting recruited. . .

Gangster Disciples, Latin Kings, Vice Lords, etc.

But WTF - they're just cannon fodder for the neocons, right?

:evilfrown:

Link:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-gangs01.html

:evilfrown:

[Vyan]

4. Well,

at least all sides in the coming Race War will be equally trained and prepared. Sheesh.

Vyan

[Mr_Spock]

3. Some of those that were forces are the same that bore crosses

Killing in the name of!
Some of those that were forces are the same that bore crosses
Some of those that were forces are the same that bore crosses
Some of those that were forces are the same that bore crosses
Some of those that were forces are the same that bore crosses
Huh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya (11 times)
But now you do what they told ya
Well now you do what they told ya

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, theyre the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, theyre the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, theyre the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, theyre the chosen whites

Some of those that were forces are the same that bore crosses
Some of those that were forces are the same that bore crosses
Some of those that were forces are the same that bore crosses
Some of those that were forces are the same that bore crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya (4 times)
And now you do what they told ya, now youre under control ( 7 times)
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, theyre the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, theyre the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, theyre the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, theyre the chosen whites
Come on!

(guitar solo: yeah! come on!)

Fuck you, I wont do what you tell me (8 times spoken becoming a shout by the 8th time)
Fuck you, I wont do what you tell me! (8 times, shouted)
Motherfucker!
Uggh!

[Vyan]

5. That's in regular rotation

on my INet Radio Station - link in my sig.

Vyan

[madrchsod]

8. they broke up to soon.....

dam poor timing wasn`t...i loved playing r.a.m full blast in the summertime....

[cantstandbush]

6. If this is the case, all minority enlistees should be able to get out

as soon as possible in fear for their lives and no minorities should be enlisting from now on. Being hated and endangered at home is enough. They don't need to be hated and endangered in two places, home and Bagdhad.

[Vyan]

7. I disagree...

GO. Get the Training - come home, someday, and be fully prepared to defend yourself and your loved ones.

Vyan

[BigYawn]

36. You are wrong...skinheads are macho only when they out number

their victims. They are basically full of inferiority complex
especially to the so called "virility" of the darker men, and
do not have the guts to take on equal number of adversaries.

In that respect skinheads are similar to the islamic terrorists
who will cut your throat when your hands are tied behind your back.
Have you ever heard of the islamic terrorists win a single fight
in combat in Iraq or Afghanistan? Never!! They can never fight a foe
who is equal or superior. The Indian military has beaten the shit out
of the Pakistani military in every war inspite of the superior weapons
provided to the Pakistani's by Americans. Similarly the Arabs have lost
every war with the Israeli's inspite of overwhelmingly larger armies.

[deaniac21]

9. in·fil·trate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-fltrt, nfl-)

v. in·fil·trat·ed, in·fil·trat·ing, in·fil·trates
v. tr.

To pass (troops, for example) surreptitiously into enemy-held territory.
To penetrate with hostile intent: infiltrate enemy lines; terrorists that had infiltrated the country.
To enter or take up positions in gradually or surreptitiously, as for purposes of espionage or takeover: infiltrated key government agencies with spies.
To cause (a liquid, for example) to permeate a substance by passing through its interstices or pores.
To permeate (a porous substance) with a liquid or gas.

v. intr.
To gain entrance gradually or surreptitiously.

n.
One that infiltrates, especially an abnormal substance that accumulates gradually in cells or body tissues

[Dembo98]

10. I served 9 years and recently got out.

I can assure everyone that there is no room and no quarter given to gangs of any kind in the military. A stupid individual can paint anything he wants and there might be a possibility of like-minded gang members to associate on their post or garrison after hours or during some off time. (We've seen this in Texas) But once deployed, the individuals in these units have no ability to organize or act out, except as individuals. Any sign of gang activity and they would be sent packing and discharged. I sent several home myself.

[Vyan]

11. Good for you...

but one wonders, wouldn't it be almost better if they stayed in the Military where they're ability to act on their biases would be severely curtailed?

Not that this seemed to have helped things at Ft Bragg a decade ago... I'm just saying.

Vyan

[ejbr]

14. The problem

might be Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. These bozos are already fucked in the head BEFORE they go in. What will they be like AFTER they come out? Stephen Green (the quadruple muderer rapist) seems to be a perfect example of psychosis placed in the wrong place at the wrong time. (And someone NEEDS to explain what the fuck his accomplices were thinking if his excuse was personality disorder to begin with)

[undergroundpanther]

25. There are people with PSTD

Who choose to NOT identify with abusers. We Exist.

Secondly there was a few years back a stanford prison experiment,
http://www.prisonexp.org/
NORMAL people were selected and some were put in a situation of authority and others were the prisoners and the ones that were the "authorities" became abusive morally depraved bullies.These people had NO ABUSE BACKGROUND.Authoritarianism is the real root problem. A family is an authoritarian structure as is a mental hospital.And what happened in the Stanford Prison experiment can happen in a home or a hospital..The victim is not a problem until he decides to identify himself with the AUTHORITARIAN who abused him.Understand?
A goth a racist a gangsta may or may not be identifying with his abusers.Proof is in his ETHICAL CHARACTER and his capacity for EMPATHY.Anger and self blame and confusion is a sane,normal response to being dominated,dehumanized,scapegoated and abused.
Not having empathy is not the result of being abused,that is another problem,psychopathy and most psychopaths desire to be "normal" and upstanding looking.Most racist thugs if you take off the klan crap and red suspenders are "clean cut" and can blend in..with normal society..fancy that.

Determining a person's character is NOT found in his dress style, or what movies he likes or what culture he appears like.It is found in watching how he relates to others.

Look at it this way..
If the kid is a goth ,was abused as a kid,likes horror movies,dresses like a vampyre and acts like a bully he is a fucking bully.Treat him like a terrorist than.

BUT..If another goth was abused as a kid, cuts himself,likes horror flicks and dresses like a vampyre but doesn't act like a bully to others..well? Are you gonna make him into a terrorist in your own mind when he ain't being one? That what the abusers did to him before.
No wonder these kids don't like you.You are re traumatizing them.

Stop spreading evil hysterical stereotypes about abuse victims and goths as if you know all about all of them.Until you have been there yourself you are talking OUT your ASS and being quite bigoted yourself.IMHO.

[lonestarnot]

19. So you admit they are there with your admission, "I sent several home

myself."

[Aviation Pro]

20. What concerns me is the infiltration into the elite forces....

...by such whack jobs as Steve Berry. The small unit cohesion that is such a critical component of SpecOps can be undermined by these pinheads with their delusions of master race grandeur. What is especially problematic is that the term "Special" as in "Special Forces" in other nations has been used for units specifically designed to carry out ethic cleansing (see Germany, Hungary, Romania, atd during WW II and more recently Croatia). In this day and age, I can see this happening here.

[PegDAC]

24. I'm sorry,

The military is taking everyone they can get. The racists/White Supremecists, etc., are joining to gaain skills to use in the "coming race wars". See www.splcenter.org.The whole thing is laid out there.

[muntrv]

12. Put these guys on the front lines and see how tough they really are.

[inthebrain]

13. Some of these idiots have infiltrated this board as well

One of them has an ID that a derivative of "Klucker", which is slang for Ku Klux Klan member.

White Nationalism is becoming a big deal and something we should all keep an eye on. These freaks have operated in the shadows for years and are EXTREMELY organized.

[lonestarnot]

18. Fucking freaks they!

[robertt]

15. Child Abuse Victims Threaten National Security More Than Terrorists

I agree. Further, if you trace these kids backgrounds, odds are that a large proportion were victimized as children. The national failure to fund child maltreatment prevention and intervention programs has resulted in an unknown number of youth attracted to the violence promised by military service. Of course, if they fail their ASVABs, they are on the streets waiting for you and me.

I'm a therapist in a children's mental health program. Victims perpetuate violence unless remediated. I see it everyday in my work -- kids wanting to join the Army to blow up stuff, attracted to pain and danger -- Gothic. They self-mutilate, hurt others for fun, and do get into the military.

I wrote a novel that is now for sale to help our funding deficiency of child abuse prevention in West Virginia ("Rarity from the Hollow"). It just came out, so I don't know if it will do any good, but a percentage of any profits will go to a nonprofit agency with an excellent reputation (Children's Home Society of WV). A satirical essay about the novel's self-promotion was published last week by Wingspan Quarterly (I Found God in Cyberspace). It's free online if you want a chuckle about free speech, but the print version does cost.

In any case, with pressure to meet recruitment quota, apparently there is not much screening done before enlistment. Further, with HIPPA (which I support), even the best military recruiter could be lied to by any kid involved in mental health systems. They know the drill.

Robert Eggleton

[undergroundpanther]

22. Exxcuuuse me!

I am Gothic-ish I was abused as a kid and I hurt nobody who isn't hurting me or making someone else suffer.I don't like violence.I DEFEND victims tho.I have seen fucking asshole therapists abuse the living shit out of patients in their care. When I spoke up I was forcibly drugged and treated to abuse. Therapists and their staff can be quite the psychopaths themselves.Peel back the veneer of"professional respectability" and you may see a vicious bully under it.
Dude,you are talking like a reactionary shrink, the kind that re-traumatized me. And if you THINK all goths ,punks,freaks,cutters, or abused people are all dangerous gonna explode and kill people.You are mistaken. I know alot of goths and they are not violent people they are more likely to cut themselves than hurt anyone.. I have seen more violence from mental hospital STAFF in mental hospitals than I EVER saw from the patients.
A white coat mafia,exists and is paid for by the state and by insurance..and they can take people away for being different or thinking 'strange'and hold them in cells without consent.

[varkam]

28. Respectfully...

I think you are over-simplifying both the causes of violence and the effects of childhood abuse. You seem to overlook a dizzying array of factors when considering that A causes B. Factors such as social networks used for support, education, family income level, etc. might also play a role which you seem to dismiss completely. I personally know several individuals who suffered abuse as children (both physical and sexual) who turned into very decent human beings that wish no harm on anyone else. Your argument seems to take child abuse as a necessary and sufficient condition for predicting later violence (your statement "odds are..." notwithstanding).

Further, do you really think that - on a moral level - it is right to demonize individuals who suffered abuse when they were children?

[NMMNG]

29. Oh please

"Goth" teens are not more violent than other teens--that is pure myth.


Goths tend to be non-violent, pacifistic, passive, and tolerant. Many in the media have mistakenly associated Goth with extreme violence and hatred of minorities, white supremacy, etc.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/goth.htm

Just 2% of the adolescents in the study identified with goth culture, although 8% said they had identified with it at some point in their lives. But it is a strongly non-violent and accepting subculture, which teens may find offers a supportive environment.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8996-goth-subculture-may-protect-vulnerable-children.html

And any self-harm they engage in typically occurs prior to them becoming involved in the Goth lifestyle, not as a result of it:

“Our study found that more young people reported self-harm before, rather than after, becoming a Goth,” Dr. Robert Young, a research associate at the University who led the study, told the New Scientist. “This suggests that young people with a tendency to self-harm are attracted to the Goth subculture.” Additionally, Dr. Young suggested it was possible that “rather than posing a risk, are gaining valuable social and emotional support from their peers.”
http://www.aboutkidshealth.ca/ofhc/news/Other/4918.asp


Those who self-abuse aren't typically prone to violence towards others.





And you claim that Further, if you trace these kids backgrounds, odds are that a large proportion were victimized as children.


According to the National Institute of Justice, 26 percent of abused and neglected children become juvenile delinquents, and 13 percent of violent crime can be linked to earlier child maltreatment. Research by the U.S. Bureau of Justice found that about 22 percent of imprisoned child sex offenders reported having been sexually abused during childhood.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/03/INGN4C224F1.DTL


While those statistics are not minute, they hardly come off as "a large proportion".


Frankly I don't see scores of child-abuse victims running to recruiting stations so they can get their hands on machine guns and grenades.

[geardaddy]

16. Great...

That's all we need is a race war. White supremacists have seriously warped sense of history. They base most of their racial ideas on made up history, not unlike a lot of right-wing fundamentalists.

[lonestarnot]

17. I am not the least bit surprised.

[citizen snips]

21. they must be really desperate for recruits

[Voltaire99]

26. They'll fit right in.

Torture, murder, rape: if you haven't noticed, the occupation of Iraq hasn't needed actual Nazis for verisimilitude.

[BigYawn]

27. The main problem skinheads have is....they all have small

penises. That is why they are deathly afraid of losing
their weemen to the darker men.

[enough already]

30. No surprise

They are just recruiting the Chimp's nazi base.

[recovering democrat]

31. Misleading title

Infiltrating is not the same as recruiting. It is very, very different. The article itself clearly indicates these people in the military are a problem.

[Vyan]

33. Fair point...

but unfortunately I can't change it anymore.

Vyan

[MRDAWG]

32. I saw hundreds of recruits at the Atlanta airport on Thrs &......

my wife and I had commented how some looked like they must be from the green hair and many piercings kids. They all looked like they were just out of high school.

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