Will Rove Concede Nov '06 Elections To The Dems And Will...

[global1]

he trap the Dems in a "win the battle - lose the war" situation?

Let's face it - *Co really ruined this country. Things are so bad now - it will be hard to crawl out of the hole that * created.

Now let's think Rove/* strategery. Will they let the Dems take the House and/or the Senate in '06 - knowing the utter futility that the Dems will face trying to dig us out. Things will continue to excerbate during the time between Nov '06 and Nov '08 because * really screwed things up.

The Repugs during this time can make things tough for the Dems - essentially knowing that - the economy can get worse; the war can get worse; the MidEast situation can get worse; etc, etc, etc. They can try and sandbag the Dems any chance they get. Then - utilizing the MSM that they have in their back pocket - they can make is seem that the Dems are the cause of everything that bad between Nov '06 and Nov '08 - and then take back everything in '08?

Essentially the Dems would have won the battle - Nov '06 elections - but lose the war - the Nov '08 elections.

Are we being set up?

[bunkerbuster1]

1. Rove is neither as brilliant nor as powerful as some believe

He's a two-bit direct marketer who got lucky with Chimpy Bush, and got Peter Principled into his level of incompetence.

Let's stop imagining that the GOPee are as monolithic, as organized, and as smart as they'd like us to think they are. They're not.

[Warpy]

3. Agreed, but he is singleminded, ruthless, amoral,

and enough of an egotist that he won't want to see his carefully constructed GOP monolith threatened by a bunch of new Democrats in Congress.

If they can't get an antiabortion amendment onto the ballots this fall (the next step, I'm afraid), then expect to see an election that will be laughable to the rest of the world, outrageous here.

Let's just hope people ARE outraged. Let's hope it finally wakes up complacent conservatives within the Beltway.

[William Seger]

9. I agree. Without the right-wing media echo chamber

... Rove would be nothing. As it is, with that echo chamber aiding and abetting the right-wingnuts to create their own reality, any number of right-wingers could do what Rove has done. Look at how Rove operates: turn you opponents strengths into weaknesses and your guy's weaknesses into strengths. But how does he do that? Mainly by simply declaring it so, and the echo chamber treats it as reality.

[BillZBubb]

2. No.

Rove will fight to win this year. He knows if the Dems get control of either house, they will actually investigate the Bush crimes and abuse of power. Two years of that prior to '08 won't help the Repugs one bit. It will be a disaster for them and they know it.

[Frustratedlady]

4. You are both correct...

and that is what makes them so dangerous. They will be like a caged animal and, unless the MSM and the people bark back loudly enough to show them enough is enough, they will use every dirty trick in their bag. Keep your guard up.

[Jackpine Radical]

5. OK-Convince me that the Dems will do any kind of meaningful investigation.

They've shown a distressing, depressing tendency to roll over for the Puggies on every issue. There are exceptions of course--John Conyers obviously leaps to mind--but by and large, what have tghe Dems actually done to convince you they're gonna do anything uwseful if given power?

[MADem]

7. Oh, come on--they don't control the AGENDA, they can't even

hold sanctioned HEARINGS. The rules don't allow the minority to call for them.

It's stupid to give the GOP (or GOPee, as a clever poster above called them) any fodder by getting all up in Porgie's face. Then, the Rove machine can rile their base by saying the Dems are gonna haul their fearless leader out and burn him at the stake. They need to keep hitting on BREAD AND BUTTER issues, and talk to people about THEIR JOBS, THEIR PAYCHECKS, THEIR HEALTHCARE, THEIR RETIREMENT, and the fact that kids, THEIR KIDS, perhaps, are dying in a war for oil.

Are you better off now than you were six years ago??? Most people answer NO.

All politics is local. First we win back both houses. Then, we get down to brass tacks re: Porgie. We can keep him boxed up like a lame duck, and give the Democratic nominee fodder for a campaign with his failed presidency, or we can hold investigations leading to censure or impeachment, or we can do both.

But first, let's win a few races.

[bvar22]

8. I am as jaded as you, Jackpine.

If the Dems gain control, they will PROTECT THE SYSTEM.
Those expecting investigations will be sorely disappointed.

[robinlynne]

6. I say no. They are not letting go of power in any form unless they have to

[sendero]

10. If we take the Senate or the House..,.

.... it will be over Rove's dead body.

They cannot afford the investigations that would ensue.

They won't concede anything - if we win, it will be because we got more votes than they could steal.

[xxqqqzme]

11. do you actually still believe

any person in a big electoral count state has a vote? Watch California go red in November. We are being set up for it right now. The CDP controls the legislature and they are doing NOTHING!

[RangerSmith]

12. I'm sure it's a thought that has been considered..

But in the end, it's not something I think the repubs can do much about in regard to changing it.

They will sustain heavy losses in '06 and there will be more balance in the congress. No way around that. People are pissed and ready to toss them out on their ass and send the message.

The '08 race is more about who runs from the Dem side than it is any dynamic Rep strategy, IMHO. There are 3 or 4 candidates that will put this all back to a 50/50 crap shoot and 3 or 4 who could make it 60/40 slam dunk for the Dems.

IMHO, the middle prefers a balance of power, but they aren't looking for anything that even resembles "nuance."

How many times have you heard somebody say... "well, I don't like their position on "that" but I will vote for them because.... "

The Dems need to put it all on the table regardless of who in the fold it might piss off... hell, I think even name who will be the major players on your cabinet and let it all ride.

Why not do this?

I really think now more than ever it's really more about how you don't lose it than it is any major struggle to win it. It's out there to be had, but the same old same old aint gonna get it and that means it can't be Hillary, Gore or Kerry and it can't be all the tin-foil hat stuff.

Clark can win, Edwards can win... probably a few others.

[WI_DEM]

13. No

and I agree that Rove is not some kind of mastermind. His only success is George W. Bush--if you want to call him that and the only way he got in was thru the Supreme Court.