what are the odds that the dead soldiers weren't tortured?

[colonel odis]

of course, if they were tortured by their captors it would be awful. and my heart breaks for two kids who shouldn't have been there in the first place. and it breaks even more for their families.

what's the likelihood, though, that this is a u.s. psy-ops jedi mindfuck to create more hatred toward the insurgency? when they're just blowing up things, it's a little easier for us to say, "it's their country. let them have it."

but when we believe they're torturing our soldiers, it becomes easier for this administration to manipulate us. we want to hurt and hurt badly anyone who does that to our guys. and the bushies know how they desperately need public opinion on their side.

the really sick thing is, i believe that if those boys weren't tortured (and i so hope they weren't) in their last hours, the bush bunch would have no compunction about telling the world that they were just to swing opinion their way a little.

just thinking out loud.

[Virginia Dare]

1. I wish I could tell you...

that you are all squishy in the head and you need to get off the crack for thinking those things, but I can't.

[Minnesota Libra]

2. I don't buy your argument, I'm not for a second suggesting Bush.........

.....would hesitate to use anything and everything for his gain but even that would be a bit much for him.

[movonne]

8. I don't think for one moment that it is a bit much for this administration

to say this..look at all the other stuff that they made up...just remember Tillman, etc...

[BOSSHOG]

3. I appreciate your thoughts

but I sincerely believe that members of bush's base in this country could not possibly care less whether our kids are dying in Iraq regardless of how they die. The torture and beheading angle for them is, wow look how not outraged liberals are. So let us keep them their indefinitely to show how the republican party supports them. It is so freaking easy to rile up a bush supporter.

You are so right, Psy-ops is all about jedi mindfucking.

[Fleshdancer]

4. Then it would be extremely cruel to the families of the soldiers

Not to just the families of the two soldiers who were POW's, but to all families of deployed soldiers who have yet another new horror to worry about.

[still_one]

5. zero percent

[Poll_Blind]

6. I believe they were tortured and killed with powerdrills before death.

It's all the rage in Baghdad. What I've read makes what the serial killer Dhalmer (sp?) did to his victims pale. It's an extreme understatement to indicate that it's not a pleasent or quick way to die. I don't think they wanted to die any more than I do, but if I were in a situation like they were I would much rather have been shot to death than surrender to them. In a heartbeat.

I have a fantastic imagination but some of the things that people do to others is...unimaginable.

OnEdit: Their bodies were booby-trapped and rigged with explosives, btw. I don't have time to provide links but Google and Google News will be useful should you try to learn more.

PB

[Warpy]

7. I think the allegations of torture are premature

at the very least. Remember, they need to bring them back here to do full DNA testing to confirm the bodies belong to the two missing soldiers. That means the bodies were at least battered or burned beyond recognition.

So far, the Iraqis have been more civilized to captured Americans than Americans have been to them. Yes, they have beaten most and executed some. However, they have not kept them caged, raped them with objects, or threatened their wives and children with rape. They haven't been waterboarded or chained in impossible positions for hours, nor have they been hooded and stood on stools with electrodes attached and threatened with shock.

I disbelieve anything until the final word is out, and I am often skeptical even then. Right now, all we know is the bodies weren't recognizable. I think we need to wait for an autopsy to determine pre mortem versus post mortem injuries.

[electron_blue]

12. Not to be too pushy, but they "claim" they have to be brought back for DNA

testing. Honestly, we have no way of knowing whether the torture report is true or not. Just pointing out that the only way we "know" the bodies weren't recognizable is bcs the government has said so. Consider the sources.

[mike_c]

9. that's easy to answer, actually....

The odds that the captured soldiers were not tortured before they were killed are identical to the odds that our government and the MSM are spreading disinformation about their fate. Hmmm....

[soothsayer]

10. Why, were they being held at gitmo? Abu Ghraib?

Torture is fair game these days.

[AngryAmish]

11. 10-1

[BigYawn]

13. How come Al Qaeda in Iraq does not follow Geneva conventions

which expressly prohibit bodily harm to captured soldiers?
If the story of these two soldiers being tortured in a
barbaric way is true, the entire civilized world should
condemn the barbarism.

[AtomicKitten]

14. We reap what we sew.

This should reflect badly back at the source of barbaric behavior, the White House.

[AusGail]

15. Geneva Convention

If Bush can pick and choose when to follow the Geneva Convention, then why not anybody else? Would I be drawing a long bow to say that Bush and his buddies were responsible for the torture and murder of the two marines?

[BigYawn]

16. The beheadings started in the 9th century

in India when the muslim marauders first arrived there.
And the forced conversions to islam continued for 8 centuries
until the muslim invaders were defeated by a hindu warlord.

The result is, India now has the 2nd largest muslim population
(after Indonesia).

Americans are just getting exposed to radical islam. My ancestors
from India have been familiar with it for centuries. The 911 attack
as shocking as it was in death and destruction did not surprise me
one bit. Typical M.O. of religious radicals.

[Hippo_Tron]

17. Honestly, I don't really give a shit

2500+ dead soldiers and 30,000+ dead Iraqi Civillians (that number I believe is if you don't count the initial bombings in which case it's more like 100,000) is enough to more than enough to convince me that the situation over there needs to be dealt with and fast.