Should we give up on Clark?

[RageAgainstTheirMachine]

Realistically, is Clark done? We have no momentum. We're not competing in the primaries this weekend. We only have a decent shot to win a few southern states. I will support Clark until the end, but should we all prepare ourselves to get behind Kerry?

[Jerseycoa]

1. We're already prepared

When the time comes, we fall in behind the nominee. The time is not here and won't be until and unless Wes Clark is not the nominee. We'll know when he knows. Now let's get back to work.

[OKNancy]

41. He's going to start being more aggressive

GOOD

"They're criticizing No Child Left Behind -- they voted for it," he said. "They're criticizing the tax cuts -- they voted for 'em. They're criticizing the war in Iraq -- they voted for it. They're criticizing the Patriot Act -- they voted for it."

[Name removed]

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[King of New Orleans]

3. Don't see why you should

If Kerry is the nominee I'd hope you get behind him, but at this point there's no reason any of the candidates should stop campaigning unless they've decided they're done. Strange things happen in elections.

[BootinUp]

4. You need to wash your mouth out with soap :)

I would only answer yes if you think we should call off the rest of the primaries completely after only 9 states.

[maddezmom]

22. orbetter yet bite your tongue RATM n/t

[Toronto Ron]

5. Wait at least another week

If Clark wins TN and gets a strong 2nd in VA - both quite possible - that would likely make him the Anti-Kerry. The media would no longer be able to ignore him. Voters in Super Tuesday states will begin to doubt Kerry's ability to win in the South.

On edit: RageAgainstTheirMachine is not a troll; I checked some of his previous postings.

[BigBigBear]

6. I was excited

by Clark's candidacy and I would like to see him as president. I think he's a leader, and I like the idea he's not a professional politician.

But...I think he's done.

[digno dave]

83. Clark must/can win Tennessee

Clark is not done. Give him Tennessee and Virginia to finish 1st and 2nd and he'll be around awhile. If he can't win Tennesse he is done. BUT HE CAN!!!

[maddezmom]

7. Boo Hiss

not turning my back on Wes, as long as he's in I'm behind him.

[burrowowl]

8. No!

All the candidates should all stay in until the Convention. Each brings a different facet to the issues and debate.
It used to be at the convention where the various planks were hammered into a platform. Now, it just seems like a homecoming queen crowning.

[Hoppin_Mad]

9. No - Stay with him as long as he's in it ! HD/WC/DK = Grassroots -nt-

[Nashyra]

10. Sorry but you do not sound like a Clark supporter

What is with the "we" We have a tremendous amount of momentum, I don't know about you. The Clark campaign is not fooled by a supporter in "wolf's clothing" Go Wes Clark A Real Leader for Real Change in Washington.

[edzontar]

80. This one of the STOP DEAN MOVEMENT instigators...remember?

That so-called movement divided this board and helped ruin this place already once.

I think you are right to question the veracity of this posting and should STICK TO YOUR GUNS-----


Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain....

[Hoppin_Mad]

84. Wow ! I didn't even NOTICE who posted the thread ! Grrrrrr :-(

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Hell no!!!

Never give up unless he does!

Go Wes!

[TexasSissy]

12. I love Clark and will still vote for him (if he's still in the race). BUT

realistically there's almost no chance of his winning the nomination. At this point he must be looking for more national recognition, which would lead to a well paying job in the private sector, or possibly more political experience to help with his run for Arkansas governor (or maybe a VP slot in the future).

But the Texas primary isn't until 3/9, so Clark may not be in the race anymore at that time. If he is, I will still vote for him, since I really believe he'd make the best President. And I think Bush is scared silly of him.

[TexasSissy]

34. I should've added...Clark should stay in. Even tho his chances

are slim, you never know what he might be able to pull out of the hat. I am proud of him for what he's done so far. And he may win TN or come in second. He won't win the nomination, it looks like, but he's doing better than Dean and arguably better than Edwards. He should stay in and contribute with his vision for the country & give Kerry a run for his money.

[Taeger]

54. Nonsense

It's not like a foot race. Every state is a new battle. Clark has only begun to fight.

Come convention time, Kerry may not have enough votes to win the nomination. In such a case, Clark and Edwards may have enough to defeat Kerry with a combined ticket.

Furthermore, Dean's delegates can still influence the outcome. They may throw their support behind Clark-Edwards. I certainly wouldn't count on Kucinich's delegates voting for Kerry (though they are few).

[cally]

13. I don't see how Clark can win this.

I love Clark and his family. Everything I've read and learned about Clark makes me respect him and like him more--except SOA. I hope he continues to contribute to our world but I don't think it's going to be as President. Maybe one day, but not in 2004.

[HFishbine]

14. I don't understand

why supporters of an "outsider" candidate should prepare themselves to throw their support behind an entrenched insider.

[Ficus]

38. to win

back the White House for the Democrats.

[hlthe2b]

15. Even in the worst case scenario, Clark has an important contribution...

Politics is a fickle game; unexpected things could still happen. But, regardless, Clark will be invaluable if he stays actively involved:

1. He speaks out against the Bush junta with authority and credibility; We need this badly.
2. He may well be on a short list for a cabinet position or even VP;
3. The longer he stays in the fight, the more impact he makes, the more recognized he will be and the more likely he'd have a shot in 2008 if he desired.
4. Even if he returns to private life and a sometimes military/political consultant role for news networks, he will be extremely valuable. Think of having him provide expert comment on a just-concluded 911 and Iraqi intelligence investigation report....

The more support he continues to get now, the more impact he can make in the future--even IF (underscore IF) the 04 Presidency is not in the cards.

[deminflorida]

16. No he's not done...and we have to win Tennesee....

We need that state period...

[Democrats unite]

17. If you feel Clark is done then support who the media whores tell

you to support.

IMO Clark is not even close to being done!

[mmonk]

18. nope

not going to do what the media wants or the DNC or DLC wants. I'm hanging in.

[NNN0LHI]

19. Absolutely not. He has won a state and has proved himself n/t

[Jack_Dawson]

20. Who are you?

Kerry supporter in disguise? Ain't buying it.

[maddezmom]

23. IIRC

this poster was involved in the StopDean movement. :(

[Jack_Dawson]

32. Sounds very suspect.

[Hoppin_Mad]

86. He LED the Stop Dean movement and even started website for it ! :-( -nt-

[annxburns]

21. I have seen several so-called "pundits"

... state that Clark staying in the race actually helps Kerry because he blocks Edwards. So why not let him stay in? If Kerry falters or blows up - we still will have a war hero in reserve to pound W on his mishandling of Iraq and his AWOL issue. Edwards has regional strength - whether that translates nationally we will have to see. But since Kerry and Edwards may end up on the same ticket, keeping Edwards out there is good because people seem to like him.

All this media talk rushing candidates out is stupid. I know Terry (that genius) wanted a quick nominee, but why? With four or five people pounding Bush, W's approval numbers are steadily deteriorating. With four or five people in the hunt, the Republican smear machine has more targets and therefore is less effective. And whoever ends up being our nominee is a tougher and better campaigner for being tested.

So what is the rush, fer cripes sake? As long as you can pay people and have some support - stay out there.

[laruemtt]

24. if anyone can work

a miracle, wes can - and will. ain't goin' anywhere!

edited to add: wes is our cinderella! the media are the wicked stepsisters. and you KNOW how that ended... keep the faith!

[democratreformed]

25. I will not give up

I am discouraged, sure. But, just think what might have happened had some true heroes given up so easily. What if FDR had given up the first few times one of his economic programs failed to stop the depression? What if General Clark, himself, had given up after those four bullet wounds in Vietnam? What if I gave up on my son after kindergarten, instead of having him diagnosed with ADHD and switching him to a private school where he could get the help he needed?

No, I will not give up when 10% of the votes have been cast. I know it may be a long shot. But, I still have hope.

[dumpster_baby]

26. Only 10% of the delegates have been assigned. 90% still up for grabs

Let it ride. Long way to go, and no short time to get there. Get outta the way, just watch ol' Wesley run....

[Cuban_Liberal]

27. Why not get behind Edwards instead, if you're ready to give up?

John Kerry is NOT the only alternative candidate. :hi:

[OKNancy]

42. Because

"They're criticizing No Child Left Behind -- they voted for it," he said. "They're criticizing the tax cuts -- they voted for 'em. They're criticizing the war in Iraq (news - web sites) -- they voted for it. They're criticizing the Patriot Act -- they voted for it."


-----
I'm not voting for an Iraq war supporter.

[LiberalBushFan]

28. Clark definitely did better than Edwards overall

in this last round. The fact that the media is only ignoring him should piss you off and make you want to support Clark more.

[Cuban_Liberal]

36. How do you figure that one?

*scratches head*

[MontecitoDem]

49. One first place, 3 second place -

Shows more strength than Edwards in the West, and North.

[efront]

66. LOL! There have been 4 major contests thus far

and Clark has finished:
sixth (Iowa)
third (NH)
forth (SC)
forth (MO)

Clark should have dropped out after putting all his time and money in New Hampshire and barely finishing third. Then he puts all his eggs in the Oklahoma basket and gets a first place by a few hundred votes! Not to mention spending more ad $ in S.C. and coming up with about 7% of the vote. Everybody knows the Clark campaign is dead except the Clark supporters.

Wake up people. It's not a media conspiracy...it's the truth.

[Jerseycoa]

70. Out of 8 races; Clark did not contest in Iowa, as you know

Came in:

1st: Clark once (Edwards: once)

2nd: Clark 3 times (Edwards: twice)

3rd: Clark once (Edwards: once)

4th: Clark twice (Edwards: four times)

5th: Clark once (Edwards: none)

[efront]

77. I'm talking about the

traditionally more important primary states, and you know that. There is a reason nobody, including the media, cares about North Dakota, Oklahoma and New Mexico.

I commend your optimism, but I think Clark's results have been very poor thus far, especially considering how much time and money he spent in certain areas.

I believe Kerry has this thing locked up anyway. I hope my guy knows when to exit gracefully, like Gephardt, rather than hang in hoping for a miracle like ________.

[Jerseycoa]

89. They're all important to us

Imagine if our guy was an experienced politician already running in this race a year or two? Results poor, my eye.


Danger ahead. Move aside for the train. Don't get run over. Choo-choo.

[TacticalPeek]

93. "including the media"

Those masters of precognition.

cf. Clinton's 'failed presidency', so widely bally-hooed in fall '92 that it made Dave Barry's column. And 'Dean has it locked up', circa summer/fall '03.

If all it took was 'expert' opinion, we could just dispense with elections.

[krkaufman]

100. "affront", to senses, logic and civility. nuff said

If you think your guy is done, then step aside and wait for the VP nod.

(Unless, of course, he's really there to prevent a non-DLC candidate from challenging the DLC-preferred nominee. Good boy, gooood boy.)

[West Coast Democrat]

29. Hey! He has a better shot than Howard Dean!

I'd like to see Clark on the ticket, and perhaps he will be.

[RageAgainstTheirMachine]

30. For the record ...

I was in New Hampshire a total of 15 days (12 in January) to get Clark elected. I admire General Clark more than anyone ever actually. He is everything that I aspire to be, but I just don't see how we can win.

[maddezmom]

35. so support Kerry

but don't ask us to change because of your doubts. :(

[RageAgainstTheirMachine]

37. good point

I guess I was just looking for some encouragement. It's glad to see so many strong Clarkies out there.

[onehandle]

31. No. No one should give up on their candidate...

If you chose one, you should stick with him until they drop.

I will have no problem supporting Kerry if Clark doesn't make it.

ABB.

[Kat45]

33. No way!

I find it ridiculous that the media is already proclaiming the winner and saying other candidates are all done. There have only been a few primaries thus far. My primary is on super Tuesday, and I'll be mighty pissed off if it's already decided by then so my vote wouldn't count. I personally think that all the primaries should be on the same day--even better if there was no polling or exit polls--then the nominee would be actually be the choice of the voters, not the media, the pundits.

[tishaLA]

39. Things happen. It's early

Kerry is one blunder away from losing momentum--and people are out to get him. I really believe his support is a mile wide and an inch deep. And I don't say that as a dig to Kedrry, who is my second choice.

Edwards, if Kerry were to stumble (and I think it CAN happen) doesn't have the gravitas, IMHO, to get the support Kerry now enjoys. Part os this is making it a waiting game. And part of it is that T-Mac set up this front loaded primary system so anyone who catches fire, deservedly or not, has to shoot himself in the foot to lose.

I'm still not worried.

[DemExpat]

56. It is very early yet.....Dutch tv mentioned Deans switch

from favored to falling, and Kerry's position last month (down) to today's frontrunner position.

A heck of a lot can happen.....and quickly....

:kick:

DemEx

[NV1962]

96. Have you seen what I saw

here?

[Beaker]

40. It's sure looking that way-

since all the polls are showing that people are voting for Kerry because he's the best shot to oust Bush, I gotta believe that they're on to something.

I can live with it.

Wes is the right man at the wrong time.

America and real americans don't feel threatened by terrorists- no matter how much the lil'dictator and his media minions would like, & actually want to put his phony "war" behind them.

That can be a hard thing to do when you put a general at the helm-

[BootinUp]

45. scuse me but help me understand

you said:

"since all the polls are showing that people are voting for Kerry because he's the best shot to oust Bush, I gotta believe that they're on to something."


Why do you think other people should know better than you know. Or is it that you haven't had the time to judge the candidates? I have always been very stubborn as far as I want to pick who I vote for and I rarely change my mind. Guess I am a little different that way.

[Name removed]

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[BootinUp]

62. Profanity aside - The question remains.

According to your original post, you are using democratic primary results to judge the electability of a candidate in a totally different election (the GE). I am questioning whether that is sound logic. Seems to me the best way to judge electability is by weighing the positions, the campaigning skill, the style/personalities, the regional factors, etc, etc.

[indie_voter]

51. I think he is the right man for the right time

Unfortunately a few things work against him.

The compressed primary schedule isn't condusive to slowly building momentum as Reagan and Clinton were able to do.

Had Clark gotten in to the race 6 months earlier, I believe he would be the nominee.

The media is sensationalist and image driven. People who don't choose politics as their profession don't have the proverbial snowballs chance in hell.

Both Edwards and Kerry frame their messages in attractive soundbites, Clark has begun to do this, but it might be too late.

Also, the politicians know how to play the 'debate game' (these events bear very little resemblence to actual debates), they don't answer the questions directly rather use the time to frame their proposals in a favorable light.

Again, Clark learned the lesson as demonstrated in SC, but again, it might be too late.

I am rooting for Clark, I hope he wins TN, I hope he is able to stop Kerry, but I don't know that he can.

I read some of his son's thoughts and agreed with them.

[Crewleader]

43. Hell No!!!

We Fight On!

[LiberalBushFan]

44. Think about the media bias directed toward Clark.

And look at his amazing progress considering he's swimming upstream against the media. Now think about Kerry and Edwards, and imagine how they would be doing if the media treated them the same way (how many negative stories have you seen about Edwards?). Think is important because if Kerry or Edwards gets the nomination, you won't have to imagine it because it will be true. Clark is the only one who will actually get better with GE coverage as opposed to primary coverage because they won't be able to ignore him. He is our one chance to beat Bush by the margin we need, and by switching to Kerry you might as well just give up totally.

[RetroLounge]

46. Weren't you involved in the Stop Dean Movement?

apparently you concentratred on the wrong "front runner"

[ibegurpard]

73. Yeah that's rich.

A so-called "Clark supporter" who was the instigator of the "Stop Dean" movement is now suggesting to his fellow Clark supporters that maybe it's time to give up? How illuminating.

[edzontar]

79. Some people on this planet have no shame or loyalty at all....

Clark supporters--stick to your guns and heed not the words of wolves in sheeps' clothing.

[bigfishsmallpond]

47. battle lines are drawn

take no prisoners

go get'em General

[democratreformed]

53. Hi and welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Joe the Revelator]

48. Hell No Wes Won't go....

We're still meeting our own expectations and passing those that the media have set up for us. I think we're still in decent if not good shape. We just need a Kerry stumble and chances are he will

[grisvador]

50. Kerry is surging sure,

so were the Germans when they bombed Pearl Harbor ...JB

One of the many reasons we have become Clark supporters is the commitment he brings to getting the job done. He has never given up at anything he has done. As long as he believes in himself, I will have hope for a better tomorrow, for a better world. Without Wes, my hope fades to wishful dreaming.

Moments of doubt come to all men, even those that would be great. Those that cross that hurdle in history, first overcame their own doubt. Assuage your doubts and believe in a better world.

[MontecitoDem]

52. EVERYBODY POSTING POSITIVES HERE

better head over to Clark04.com and donate today!

I was feeling blue about our chances so I just donated another $100. THAT's how we are going to do it - grassroots and money.

And pleeeese don't get behind Kerry.
He is the Gray Davis of New England - we will lose this election faster than you can say Terminator 4.

[Crewleader]

55. Go Clark!

:dem:

[Jerseycoa]

57. Everybody who can...

Click the link below the train and put your money where your mouth is -- :D

[Strelnikov_]

82. Gray Davis Of New England . . I Like It

Kerry, support a mile wide and an inch deep.

[OBrien]

58. NO! NO! NO!

NO!!

[Carl Spackler]

59. Yes

I don't think he brings a particularly unique message compared to the leading candidates, and he is not resonating with the electorate.

[bain_sidhe]

60. Realistically

One, and possibly two of the candidates currently splitting the "not Kerry" vote is going to have to drop out, or Kerry will walk away with the nomination. The question is, which one?

Clark and Edwards split the southern vote.

Clark and Dean split the outsider vote.

Clark and Kerry split the military/foreign policy vote.

I seriously doubt that Dean will be able to pull out of his slide. I'm sorry, Dean supporters, but I just don't think his numbers in Mich. and/or Wash. are going to improve enough to get people flocking back to him.

Given that assessment (which could be entirely wrong, of course), if Clark drops out, Edwards becomes the de-facto "anti-Kerry," and in that matchup, I'm going to have to go with Kerry, and I would really hate that. Edwards has great charisma, but I truly think that if he's the nominee, in the general election, people are going to look at the problems ahead and find him too inexperienced to place their confidence in.

So, no, I don't think Clark should drop out. I continue to believe Clark has the best chance to beat bush* decisively and we will need a decisive win to get ANYTHING through congress. I also think Clark is our best chance to minimize our losses in the House and Senate (I don't think we'll get away with NO losses in any event). I believe if Dean or Edwards drops out, more of those people will switch to Clark than to Kerry. I believe if Clark drops out, more of his people will switch to Kerry than to Dean or Edwards.

I admit, though, I may be biased. ;)

[Bonobo]

63. NFW!

No Fuckin' way!

[NV1962]

64. I'm not ready to give up on America, and I won't - n/t

[Mobius]

65. We are competing in this weekend's primary

I have spent a few hours calling voters today. NO MOMENTUM? 10% of the delegates have been committed. Let us not forget Lieberman is gone as is Dean for the most part. Also Clark didn't vote for IWR, No child left behind, or the Patriot act, like Kerry and Edwards did. Clark supporters knew this wasn't going to be a cake walk. Don't let the media blackout on Clark get you down, that is precisely what the repukes want.

[aquanut]

67. Keep the faith!!!

Donate if you can!

[slinkerwink]

68. I'm a Dean supporter and I say, HELL NO!

[maddezmom]

90. thanks slinkerwink :)

[Kimber Scott]

69. HELL NO!!!!

:spank:

[MoonRiver]

71. NO WAY!

It's time to rally behind our General more than ever. I'll back Kerry with most of my heart if he gets the nom. But a big piece of my heart will always be with Clark. It's hard to recover once one has been bitten by the Clark bug!

Here's a :bounce: for the General!!!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

72. I won't quit until the General quits....

n/t

[SangamonTaylor]

74. His son, Wes Clark Jr. sounded as if he thought it was over

Comments by Wes Clark Jr. hours before the polls in Oklahoma closed:

"It's been a really disillusioning experience," the candidate's 34-year-old son says. "We sacrificed a hell of a lot for this country over 34 years. We lived in a damn trailer when I was a freshman in high school."

Of politics, he says, "It's a dirty business, filled with a lot of people who are pretending to be a lot of things they're not." The press never looked at his father's record, he says. They didn't treat the other candidates fairly either. Howard Dean got unfair coverage, he says. So did John Edwards. So did John Kerry. So did everyone.

"I'd like him to win today. If he doesn't win, I don't want him to stay out there," and "What did we get on the news for this weekend? A speeding ticket in Oklahoma. You gotta be fucking kidding me."

And Clarkies are blaming phantom 'leaked push polls' for influencing the Oklahoma vote. Yeah, uh-huh...

[tishaLA]

78. Thanks for your thoughtful contribution

and I don't think that quotation--you should provide a link, BTW, as per the rules--says that Wes, Jr. thought it was over.

[maddezmom]

75. Do Not give up

But GIVE $$$$ to the new TRAIN!! :)

[edzontar]

76. So, does this mark the launch of a new "Stop Clark Movement"?

I so very much enjoyed those Stop Dean Movement threads of yours back in the day.


So now yoi have decided that it is time to turn on General Clark too, and throw your support behind Kerry?

Where is the loyalty?

Where is the integrity?

Where is the consistency?

My advice to all Clark supporters is to stick with your candidate until the end...and to think carefully about ALL of your options before supporting a faded senator who embraced and voted for virtually every BUSH program that the general has been so eloquent in criticizing.

The views of Dean or even Edwards are MUCH more in keeping with Gen. Clark's principles than the sell-out, business as usual policies offered by Sen. Kerry.

Cher Guevara would never give up, so keep your REAL Rage "against their machine" and help us all STOP the establishment candidate Kerry.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

81. No, and I'm not even a supporter

Let's just say at this point that I feel a certain personal attachment to sticking with one's candidate even when the chips are down.

You chose Clark, I'm assuming, because you like him and you like what he has to say and because you think he'd make the best president --- that's why I chose my candidate. There's no reason to pull your support, despite the fascinating suggestion of others that we must unite now behind a particular candidate, even though the primaries aren't over and there are still plenty of delegates to go around. The fact that Clark won Oklahoma last night should at the very least prove him to be worth sticking around for a little while longer.

The sense that I get about Clark is the same one that I have about Dean, that he's an intelligent man who wants to add to the process rather than detract from it, and I am sure in both men's cases that if/when the writing is unmistakeably on the wall they will drop out and throw their support behind the nominee.

This is of course a decision that only you can make, but I say stick to your guns until he drops out, wins, or you just don't feel right about it any more. That's what I'm doing and it doesn't feel to me like I'm doing anything to destroy the Democratic party by holding out for my guy a little longer. This will probably all be wrapped up in a month anyway, so don't fret.

[Clark Can WIN]

85. **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO

**HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO** **HELL NO**

**HELL NO**

[arewethereyet]

87. depends on your priorities

A few assumptions:
Clark will not win the nomination,
Unless Kerry stumbles, he will.

If you are fine with Kerry being the nomination, Clark stays in.

If you want a candidate who matches up well with Bush, Clrk drops out so that Edwards is not facing noise.

I don't expect anyone to agree with the assumptions but they are valid.

[BootinUp]

92. eh?

..

[stuzzy]

88. Dean supporter says no way. Keep going until the general says stop.

and if he drops out, which I hope he doesn't. Look at Dean first, then Kerry.

[Exgeneral]

91. Yeah, the East Coast Corporarte Media says he's over

so it must be true, right?

The minimizing of Clark , while going ape-shit huzzahs over Edwards, is so blatantly obvious.

[knight_of_the_star]

94. Not just no

But HELLS NO!

Clark is nowhere near dead, that and it looks like from teh E-blocks that are being assigned he's competing in Washington. We are going to KEEP going until we win or lose while trying!

[shivaji]

95. Clark supporters are in DENIAL

big time. Barely squeaked a win in OK over Edwards.
Just one lousy state and he barely wins!!

If he does not win TN next tuesday CONVINCINGLY, he is history.

By staying in past next tuesday Clark hands the nomination to Kerry
on a silver platter, which is just fine by me. Dean is my first
choice, Kerry second, Edwards third.

on edit: typo's corrected.

[krkaufman]

101. Wait a minute....

wuhhuhwhuhuhwuh? Did I just hear a Dean supporter saying that *Clark* supporters are in denial?!? I love Dean (was previously my preferred candidate), but WHAT a screeaaammm......!

Thanks for the chuckle. :) It helped lighten the mood.

[BootinUp]

102. this forum can be brutal

on my sides that is. *it hurts* :)

[bain_sidhe]

104. DENIAL by the numbers:

Barely squeaked a win in OK over Edwards.
Just one lousy state and he barely wins!!

On Tuesday, of your non Kerry choices...

In how many states did Dean come in first or second? 0

In how many states did Edwards come in first or second? 3

In how many states did Clark come in first or second? 4

In how many primaries did Dean earn delegates? 2

In how many primaries did Dean earn delegates? 3

In how many primaries did Clark earn delegates? 4

So who's in denial?

[curse10]

97. No, and I'm a Kerry supporter

I think Clark is a great candidate. He deserves the support he is getting. No need to jump ship until he tells ya'll differently.

[maddezmom]

98. thanks curse10

:pals:

[jpgpenn]

99. Hell NO!

What do you want? To be led by 2 Washington insiders taht helped get us into this mess to begin with?

[texasmom]

103. I'm with Wes Clark all the way.

I was surprised when a few people deserted Dean after Iowa. When you believe in a candidate, you stay with that candidate. I've believed in Clark, that he is the perfect man at this time to lead this country, since July during the draft movement. I'll be with him as a loyal supporter and worker until he is inaugurated or decides he's taken it as far as it can go. I think he had strong showings last night, but of course it has to be stronger than that. I will NOT give up on him. I can't even imagine doing that. I'm just fighting harder.

[SW FL Dem]

105. I'm not giving up

I giving to the Clark campaign.