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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:49 AM
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Kern County California: Electronic Machines DOWN!
My mom lives in Bakersfield,CA and they voted absentee already.

She said on the news this morning they are telling people to wait a couple of hours to vote.

It seems there are "issues" with the damn machines not working.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:52 AM
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1. Fond memories of Kern County
We were married there 32 years ago and despite the efforts of the homosexual community we are still happily married.

I find it quite interesting that there are no such "issues" with paper ballots.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:58 AM
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3. LOL! I had to read your post twice.......
to get what you were saying, BOSSHOG.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:05 AM
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4. Also have many good memories of Bakersfield.
Met the future Mrs. Retread there 37 years ago this June. I was just passing by and detoured to spend some time in the home town of Buck Owens.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:07 AM
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5. BUCKERSFIELD!!
My wife and I were both stationed at NWC China Lake. Fell in love under the hot desert sun and marital bliss has prevailed.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:09 AM
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6. but but but "hanging chads"
Oh the horror, the horror.. Glad they haven't destroyed your marriage yet but they are trying as hard as they can...Have you heard they actually want the same rights as other Americans. The nerve of them...
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:12 AM
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7. The homosexual agenda
let the constitution apply to us as well. The religiously insane in this country have no respect for the constitution, have no idea what constitutional liberties are and they do not deserve to have constitutional liberties. They are the number one domestic enemy of the constitution and I look forward to the civil war. I get kinda riled up on this subject.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:28 AM
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8. I just love it
when you get kinda riled up! :hug: Bosshog, you are awesome!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:39 AM
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9. Hi MuseRider
and I have a few select riled up moments for your Senator Roberts. My wife hates it when I watch the evening news. I temporarily go insane and cuss at the inanimate object. Has Governor S got a running mate yet?
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:03 PM
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11. Yes she does.
http://cjonline.com/stories/060206/leg_parkinson.shtml

He switched parties to be her running mate. I trust her but I don't like the fact that so many of our Dems are recent converts. She is very conservative but has done very well for our state. I love her to death but dearly wish she was more progressive. We will just have to wait and see how this all works out, it makes me very nervous.

Roberts....well I just can't think of anything to say that would not be too good for the man and you can throw in Brownback with him.

:hi:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:05 PM
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12. The religious right wack jobs
in Kansas got all bent out of shape about a recent decision she made relative to abortion. I took great happiness in that action.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:35 PM
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14. HeeHee it is fun to watch!
She came at exactly the right time. We were in danger of being taken over by the Talibornagains, seriously. Shallenberger would have taken us straight to the dark ages. Kathleen has been able to at least hold part of the state above that and it is beginning to turn around. She has such a calm, serious demeanor and it is effective. Being a moderate it has been hard for them to label her with anything that will stick. Keep your fingers crossed. I do not see her losing but then they are backed tightly into a mighty small corner right now.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:45 PM
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15. Well, I tried !
But considering there were slim pickin's for me in Bakersfield at the time .....
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:56 AM
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2. Paper ballots and Hand counts NOW!!! Democracy NOW!!!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:02 PM
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10. SOME RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II: Election Reform
OVERVIEW: AMERICAN REVOLUTION II

What we now have --in addition to outright illegal suppression of Democratic votes by Bushite election officials and other operatives--is several big electronic voting corporations with very close ties to the Republican Party and rightwing causes--Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia-- 'counting' all our votes with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code--code so secret that not even our secretaries of state are permitted to review it--with virtually no audit/recount controls. This is the result of the infamous "Help America Vote Act" of 2002, a $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle engineered by the biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney (and abetted by Bilderberg 'Democrat' Christopher Dodd).

Our elections are now NON-TRANSPARENT and UNVERIFIABLE, and under the control of partisan corporations. The $4 billion--and also millions in lavish lobbying--were used to corrupt election officials from one end of the land to other. And those they have not been able to corrupt, they have driven from office (Kevin Shelly in California), or sought to intimidate (Ion Sancho in Florida, and others). This pervasive corruption, and bullying by the Bushite Feds, has resulted in the widespread purchase, by states and counties, of extremely insecure, unreliable and hackable--and very expensive--election theft machinery.

Restoring TRANSPARENT elections is a MUST DO, PRIORITY ONE, MATTER, if we want our country back. Without the right to vote, we can do little or nothing to restore lawful government. We can protest. We can be appalled. But if the will of the majority--which has always been for peace and justice, and good government, consistently over the last six years, in ALL the issue polls--cannot be enforced, then we might as well be shouting to the wind.

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SOME RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Practical suggestions for the immediate future:

1. ABSENTEE BALLOT VOTING. Promote absentee ballot voting. It's not the ultimate solution, by any means, but it at least provides a tangible paper record for challenging suspicious election results, and for recounts and investigations. (Absentee ballots were a great help to investigators in 2004.) Absentee ballot voting is also a form of protest against the machines. 50% of Californians are now requesting Absentee Ballots. If enough people do it, the machines will be obsolete; then we can work on getting rid of the central tabulators.

2. MONITOR THE ELECTIONS. Join with others to closely monitor the coming elections and gather and document evidence. See www.UScountvotes.org, and other resources, below. UScountvotes.org needs donations!

3. DEMAND INDEPENDENT EXIT POLLS. Demand that the Democratic Party fund INDEPENDENT EXIT POLLS. Exit polls are used worldwide to verify elections and check for fraud. The war profiteering corporate news monopoly exit polls cannot be trusted (they are doctored to match the results from the voting machines' secret programming code; rather than being used to verify elections, they are used to confirm NON-TRANSPARENT "official results"). The Democratic Party owes us, big time, for their lack of vigilance--and in some cases corruption--on electronic voting. This is one critically needed thing that they can do to help.

4. THINK LONG TERM. Saving our democracy promises to be a long hard struggle. We obviously can't get rid of these machines before the '06 elections, so focus on doing our best with the Diebold/ES&S handicap (a 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushites and warmongers), and getting rid of these machines afterward, for '08 and beyond.

5. TELL PEOPLE THE TRUTH. They NEED to know it. Engage them in the fight. Bumper sticker: "Help Us Beat the Machines--VOTE!" There is nothing more demoralizing and disempowering than constantly losing and not knowing WHY. There is evidence that the machines CAN be beaten by massive turnout. Get people involved! Help them to SEE what's happening! THEY will solve the problem, ultimately--if they can only IDENTIFY what it is!

6. PRESSURE LOCAL/STATE ELECTION OFFICIALS. Right now, the best place to fight this fight is at the state/local level, where ordinary people still have some influence. Bush's Congress is NOT going to give us back our right to vote--they are the ones who took it away (with the collusion of some corrupt Dems). Don't look to the Feds--look to your local county registrar, your state election boards, your secretaries of state. Demand TRANSPARENT elections. Also educate and mobilize your local Democratic Party and other political party groups.

The first priority in this historic fight for American democracy is restoring our right to vote--the mechanism by which we exercise our sovereignty as a people. Without it, we have no power. We MUST change this.

Never give up on our right to vote! NEVER!

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ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Hopeful signs - latest news:

California voters sue the state over Diebold:
www.VoterAction.org is suing the state of California and 18 Calif county registrars on behalf of 25 California voter/plaintiffs, on the illegal Diebold "certification" by Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2180496
Seven of these counties have promised the judge they would use PAPER BALLOTS, and were dismissed from this lawsuit (4/27/06).
http://kcbs.com/pages/29285.php
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2249205

Maryland rejects Diebold:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x418263

Florida - anti-trust accusations against Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, re: heroic Florida election official Ion Sancho:
(FLA AG subpoenas the companies)
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/legalissues/story/0,10801,110192,00.html
http://www.tbo.com/news/politics/MGBKSY8W8LE.html
(info & discussion)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2183630

Utah county clerk fights back!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x419226

(Tide turning?) New York Times: "New Fears of Security Risks in Electronic Voting Systems" (5/12/06)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2278829

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INFORMATION AND ACTIVIST RESOURCES for American Revolution II:

www.votersunite.org (MythBreakers - easy primer on electronic voting--one of the myths is that HAVA requires electronic voting; it does not.)
www.UScountvotes.org (statistical monitoring of '06 and '08 elections--they need donations)

(Activist sites with links to state activist groups or info)

www.votersunited.org (good general info, and state links)
www.verifiedvoting.org (great activist site)
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml (fab compendium of all election info)
www.votetrustusa.org (news of the movement from around the country--caveat: $$$ connections to Choicepoint)

www.freepress.org (devoted to election reform)
www.bradblog.com (also great, and devoted to election reform)
www.TruthIsAll.net (analysis of the 2004 election)* :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
www.votepa.us (well-organized local group of citizen activists in Pennsylvania, where important legal issues are at stake, including state's rights over election systems)
Provisions of the PA lawsuit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x423739

The Voter Confidence Resolution
http://tinyurl.com/rlnr2 (“We Do Not Consent”)
http://guvwurld.blogspot.com (GuvWurld blog main page)
http://tinyurl.com/amryg (Voter Confidence Resolution

www.debrabowen.com (Calif Senator running for Sec of State to reform election system)
www.johnbonifaz.com (running for Massachusetts Sec of State on strong election reform and antiwar platform)

*Some tributes to TruthIsAll, who is very ill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417231
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x675477

Congressional bills:

Russ Holt's HR 550 requires a real paper ballot, bans secret software in "voting machines", and has more than 170 co-sponsors, but the audit required is too weak, it promotes electronic voting and centralized power, and the secret software might be permitted to continue in the central tabulators (the bill is not clear). At lot of discussion at DU of the loopholes/pitfalls in HR 550 (many DUers support the bill):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x422926
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x421136
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=422967&mesg_id=422967
To sign the HR 550 petition: http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html

(Note: Senate Bill-SB 330 and House-HR704 simply require a "voter verified paper audit trail" (VVPAT), which may be best for the moment.)


Also of interest:

Michael Collins (Autorank)'s searing election reform article for New Zealand's Scoop.com
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x971363

Bob Koehler (-- four recent election reform initiatives in Ohio, predicted to win by 60/40 votes, flipped over, on election day, into 60/40 LOSSES!--the biggest flipover we've seen yet; the election theft machines and their masters are now dictating election policy! Title: "Poll Shock" 11/24/05)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col321.htm

Bob Koehler's latest: "Trust us: Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm
More Koehler:
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk

Amaryllis (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia lavish lobbying of election officials - Beverly Hilton, Aug. '05)
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

HOWARD DEAN remarks on electronic voting machines 04/06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x994507

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Throw Diebold, ES&S and ALL election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

:think: :patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: :think:

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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." --Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:17 PM
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13. Vote for DEBRA BOWEN for Calif Secretary of State! Critically important!
If you haven't voted yet, or you know someone who hasn't voted yet, SPREAD THE WORD! Vote for DEBRA BOWEN!

Tight race, with a whole lot at stake--voting integrity in California! Bowen knows her stuff, is very savvy on electronic voting, and is a strong, strong advocate for open goverment. Her opponent Deborah Ortiz doesn't have a clue about electronic voting, and has made some alarmingly naive statements about it.

If you need more info:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2664425
www.debrabowen.com

Help pay for Spanish language ads for BOWEN today:
https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/entity/9271 (--add $.06 to your donation, to specify use.)
Valley Grassroots for Democracy. Discussion here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2662470

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