It is time...for John Kerry to speak out...

[infogirl]

he knows what they did and he knows about Diebold. We should not be voting on "unreliable" equipment. This is what they did as well to steal it.

Kerry is running....and if he wants one vote...he better speak out after all the work done here...to tell the people.

John Kerry stand up!


John Kerry stand up!


or don't run...

[blm]

1. Kerry told a meeting yesterday that all electronic voting machines need to

be banned state by state.

It's in HL's thread in GD and GD-P.

I would suggest that we work on other Dems to can their skepticism on the issue and READ THE ARTICLE.

Dean and Kerry are the only ones who seem to even acknowledge machine fraud in any public way. I hope this article gives them the cover they need to make a louder noise.


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Sen. John Kerry -- in a wide-ranging discussion of ROLLING STONE's investigation -- expressed concern about Republican tactics in 2004, but stopped short of saying the election was stolen. ''Can I draw a conclusion that they played tough games and clearly had an intent to reduce the level of our vote? Yes, absolutely. Can I tell you to a certainty that it made the difference in the election? I can't. There's no way for me to do that. If I could have done that, then obviously I would have found some legal recourse.''

Kerry conceded, however, that the widespread irregularities make it impossible to know for certain that the outcome reflected the will of the voters. ''I think there are clearly states where it is questionable whether everybody's vote is being counted, whether everybody is being given the opportunity to register and to vote,'' he said. ''There are clearly barriers in too many places to the ability of people to exercise their full franchise. For that to be happening in the United States of America today is disgraceful.''

Kerry's comments were echoed by Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. ''I'm not confident that the election in Ohio was fairly decided,'' Dean says. ''We know that there was substantial voter suppression, and the machines were not reliable. It should not be a surprise that the Republicans are willing to do things that are unethical to manipulate elections. That's what we suspect has happened, and we'd like to safeguard our elections so that democracy can still be counted on to work.''

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[emulatorloo]

3. link to HL's thread, in case infogirl wants to read it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2658139&mesg_id=2658139

Or direct link to his blog entry:

http://www.thehollywoodliberal.com/kerry_speech_pacific_conference.htm

[Warren Stupidity]

2. He needs to directly address RFKjr's article.

He needs to do it now, and he needs to do it publicly.

[infogirl]

5. yes...let's push it

he could do that much for us....after all...he IS the President!

[FreeStateDemocrat]

4. He needs to cover Bobby Kennedy, jr's back immediately

Stand up now or sit-out 2008.

[politicasista]

6. Are you going to say that to all the other 08 candidates? n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

8. That is beside the point.

Yes of course the entire Democratic Party should be speaking here with one voice (can you imagine that?) However, the talking point offensive against RFKjr is that Kerry is the injured party, and since he isn't complaining there is no case. Kerry speaks up right now loud and clear and that talking point drops dead.

Senator Kerry needs to stand shoulder to shoulder with Robert Kennedy.

[emulatorloo]

7. And shouldn't Howard Dean, DNC chair be shouting about it too?

And all the congressional Dem leaders?

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Yes sure but Kerry is more important right now.

Kerry is being used to dismiss RFKjr.

[kerrygoddess]

18. Kerry spoke with RFK, Jr

about the article. He was interviewed for it. Maybe RFK, Jr is getting Kerry's back - think about that. Who better than a Kennedy to stand up and say this.

And excuse me but where the f has the rest of the friggin Dem party been on this. I don't see them clamouring to stop voting fraud. Let's get real here - it's in the best interest of the ENTIRE Democratic Party to get Kennedy's back on this.

[KoKo]

9. Here's what Kerry said: Quoted from JFK's Article in "Rolling Stone."

Sen. John Kerry -- in a wide-ranging discussion of ROLLING STONE's investigation -- expressed concern about Republican tactics in 2004, but stopped short of saying the election was stolen. ''Can I draw a conclusion that they played tough games and clearly had an intent to reduce the level of our vote? Yes, absolutely. Can I tell you to a certainty that it made the difference in the election? I can't. There's no way for me to do that. If I could have done that, then obviously I would have found some legal recourse.''

Kerry conceded, however, that the widespread irregularities make it impossible to know for certain that the outcome reflected the will of the voters. ''I think there are clearly states where it is questionable whether everybody's vote is being counted, whether everybody is being given the opportunity to register and to vote,'' he said. ''There are clearly barriers in too many places to the ability of people to exercise their full franchise. For that to be happening in the United States of America today is disgraceful.''

Kerry's comments were echoed by Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. ''I'm not confident that the election in Ohio was fairly decided,'' Dean says. ''We know that there was substantial voter suppression, and the machines were not reliable. It should not be a surprise that the Republicans are willing to do things that are unethical to manipulate elections. That's what we suspect has happened, and we'd like to safeguard our elections so that democracy can still be counted on to work.''

To help prevent a repeat of 2004, Kerry has co-sponsored a package of election reforms called the Count Every Vote Act. The measure would increase turnout by allowing voters to register at the polls on Election Day, provide provisional ballots to voters who inadvertently show up at the wrong precinct, require electronic voting machines to produce paper receipts verified by voters, and force election officials like Blackwell to step down if they want to join a campaign. (205) But Kerry says his fellow Democrats have been reluctant to push the reforms, fearing that Republicans would use their majority in Congress to create even more obstacles to voting. ''The real reason there is no appetite up here is that people are afraid the Republicans will amend HAVA and shove something far worse down our throats,'' he told me


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/4

[Clarkie1]

This is the #1 issue why it is IMPERATIVE we retake congress in November.

"But Kerry says his fellow Democrats have been reluctant to push the reforms, fearing that Republicans would use their majority in Congress to create even more obstacles to voting. ''The real reason there is no appetite up here is that people are afraid the Republicans will amend HAVA and shove something far worse down our throats,'' he told me."

[Clarkie1]

17. This is the #1 issue why it is IMPERATIVE we retake congress in November.

"But Kerry says his fellow Democrats have been reluctant to push the reforms, fearing that Republicans would use their majority in Congress to create even more obstacles to voting. ''The real reason there is no appetite up here is that people are afraid the Republicans will amend HAVA and shove something far worse down our throats,'' he told me."

[fedupinBushcountry]

10. He has

where are the rest of the Dems ? This is not about Kerry it is about our right to vote and how those votes are counted. This is not a partisan issue, this is about keeping our so called democracy.

[ProSense]

11. Wasn't Sen. Kerry quoted in the article?

Howard Dean too!

Sen. John Kerry -- in a wide-ranging discussion of ROLLING STONE's investigation -- expressed concern about Republican tactics in 2004, but stopped short of saying the election was stolen. ''Can I draw a conclusion that they played tough games and clearly had an intent to reduce the level of our vote? Yes, absolutely. Can I tell you to a certainty that it made the difference in the election? I can't. There's no way for me to do that. If I could have done that, then obviously I would have found some legal recourse.''

Kerry conceded, however, that the widespread irregularities make it impossible to know for certain that the outcome reflected the will of the voters. ''I think there are clearly states where it is questionable whether everybody's vote is being counted, whether everybody is being given the opportunity to register and to vote,'' he said. ''There are clearly barriers in too many places to the ability of people to exercise their full franchise. For that to be happening in the United States of America today is disgraceful.''

Kerry's comments were echoed by Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. ''I'm not confident that the election in Ohio was fairly decided,'' Dean says. ''We know that there was substantial voter suppression, and the machines were not reliable. It should not be a surprise that the Republicans are willing to do things that are unethical to manipulate elections. That's what we suspect has happened, and we'd like to safeguard our elections so that democracy can still be counted on to work.''

Does anyone think those are not Kerry's words, that he is likely to say something different?

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

13. He spoke loudly and clearly

It was called "concession".

Not one word he spoke nor one action he took after he called the White House that day matters one whit. He will NOT get my vote again.

[regnaD kciN]

14. You're over-focusing on one piece of the puzzle...

Of all the chicanery detailed in that article, Diebold (or electronic voting machines in general) were only a small part of the puzzle. Most of the malfeasance took place via standard garden-variety measures, and were not so much aimed at "flipping" votes already cast as they were in making sure likely Kerry voters never got to cast their votes in the first place.

Beyond that, Kerry was, and is, in the same bind as Gore in 2000 -- if they're the ones who are the prime movers behind attempts to eliminate the kind of alleged fraud that may have cost them the elections, it will only look like they're motivated by personal self-interest or being a "sore loserman." The fact is that the Democrats as a whole have to get behind election reform in all its facets, of which Diebold is only one part. And it will look better if those Democrats leading the fight are not themselves either former or 2008 presidential candidates.

[LeahD]

16. Yes, voter suppression was a huge piece of the puzzle. n/t

[grasswire]

15. just days after the election I was with a close friend...

...of the Kerry family, who had just had dinner with them the night before. I was told that when Teresa would talk about the election being rigged, she was told to stop talking like that (I'm paraphrasing). Apparently there was zero tolerance for the discussion.