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Bob Geiger Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:54 AM
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Reid Accepts Boxing Tickets -- Desperate GOP Rejoices
In an era where the word "corruption" is linked to "Republican" as readily as "Limbaugh" goes with "Oxycontin," it's no wonder that the right-wing gets positively giddy over the idea of any Democrat getting caught with his or her hand in the cookie jar. So the far-right bloggers and a mainstream media eager to gin up the Washington corruption epidemic to make it look less like a one-sided, GOP affair, are thrilled with the non-story about Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) accepting free tickets to some Las Vegas boxing matches.

They've been all over this like Fox News devouring a White House or Republican National Committee (RNC) press release.

It seems that Reid, who is a former Nevada state gaming commissioner and was once a fighter himself, accepted tickets to three professional boxing matches from Nevada officials. The GOP would have us believe, that these guys were hoping that Reid would -- for the price of a few ducats -- turn against his long-held commitment to establishing federal oversight of boxing.

Reid accepted the seats from the Nevada Athletic Commission (NAC) for fights in Las Vegas between 2003 and 2005 when, at the same time, he was advocating legislation to undermine the authority and fight-approval process of that same body.

"Anyone from Nevada would say I'm glad he is there taking care of the state's No. 1 businesses," Reid said when asked about the propriety of accepting the tickets. "I love the fights anyways, so it wasn't like being punished."

Pushing aside the fact that what Reid did was not illegal -- there is an exception in Senate rules for gifts from governmental agencies such as the NAC -- it's obvious that Republicans see the world in their own image and, when they hear something like this, assume the person's motivation to be as corrupt as their own desires would be.

But this attempt to paint the Democrats as equally corrupt is so stupid it doesn't even pass the most basic common-sense test.

For one, Reid has long believed that federal oversight (of state authorities) is necessary in the sport he loves so much and, over the last five years, has been at the forefront of efforts to legislate such control. While it's possible that the folks at the NAC really believed they could sway Reid with a few tickets, I'm sure they knew it was as likely as Ann Coulter becoming a Democrat. In fact, Reid continued to take actions that were against the NAC's interests after all of this alleged impropriety.

"This proposed commission, working closely with state athletic commissions, will establish guiding principles to effectively rid the sport of boxing from its maladies," Reid said at a 2001 boxing-reform hearing for greater federal regulation of boxing. "The commission would provide minimal protection for boxers who fight in states that currently have no or few standards, while looking to states such as Nevada to continue the practice of enforcing their already high and capable standards."

And the proof is in the pudding. Six months after accepting some free tickets in September of 2004, Reid voted to pass the Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2005. Reid also cosponsored the Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2003 which also was intended to foster greater federal control over the sport. Both measures went strongly against what the people who had allegedly influenced Reid wanted.

Leave it to a rube from tiny Searchlight, Nevada to not understand that when you take a bribe, you're not suppose to work against what your patron wants.

Meanwhile, look for the RNC to try to make this the same as the acts committed by their Rogues Gallery, which includes imprisoned GOP Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham, who was convicted after admitting to taking $2.4 million in bribes, a luxury yacht and a Rolls-Royce in return for political favors.

And let's not forget that the man they're trying to smear is the same Harry Reid who faced death threats while Nevada state gaming commissioner -- Reid's wife once found a bomb attached to one of their cars -- in an effort to rid his state's gaming industry of organized-crime influence.

Yeah, he sounds like a real crook, doesn’t he?

Look, knowing how the Republicans will invent things to vilify Democrats, much less leveraging something with even the slightest appearance of impropriety, perhaps Reid would be wise to turn down any future offers of free fight tickets. But the fact is, Reid was considering federal legislation that could have harmed a key industry in his state and one could easily argue that he was simply fulfilling a responsibility to attend a related event and speak to local people about their point of view -- even if, as Reid admits, it wasn't exactly hard duty for him.

And since the NAC is a taxpayer-financed entity, Reid effectively took the tickets from Nevada residents, which is not unreasonable, given that he was considering law on the same subject matter as the events he attended.

So what will the GOP come up with next?

My prediction: "Nancy Pelosi accepts free drink from bartender after leaving generous tip."

You can reach Bob Geiger at geiger.bob@gmail.com and read more from him at Democrats.com.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:00 AM
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1. ""Nancy Pelosi accepts free drink from bartender after leaving generous...
LOL.

Or Conyers accepts venti latte at Starbucks after paying for a grande.
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:03 AM
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27. Yaaawwwnnn....
again which party is sooo corrupt? Yeah that party of fat elephants...awake me when a politician gets caught getting a blowjob..til then....
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:02 AM
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2. Kerry Ran a Red Light Once... Oh My
quick... we must impeach imperfect Dems immediately!!!!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:10 AM
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3. Does any report on the issue say how much those tickets go for?
Haven't got a clue as to the value of tickets to watch boxing. Thinking they are probably not real pricey but don't know for sure.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:17 AM
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4. NOWHERE near an Abramoff scale, and he worked AGAINST what the
Edited on Wed May-31-06 08:22 AM by blondeatlast
NBC wanted--can that even be called a bribe?

Harry, just get 'em on the rope-a-dope!


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:21 AM
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5. To the repukes it doesn't matter, They only see GUILTY Democrats
And it helps them exonerate their massive lobbyist gifts.
One small gift to a Democrat wipes out millions in gifts on the right. Just like one blow job justifies in the average republicans mind the right for their chimp to lie and steal.

It is the double standard and we are just supposed to accept our lot in life and let them destroy the world.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:23 AM
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7. Reid demonstrably worked against the "bribers."
But will that come out in the ndless blabfests we will be inundated with today?

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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:56 AM
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11. I agree, the pukes will milk this despite the facts...
it doesn't really matter to them what is true, it's a symbol that can be spun into "look the democrats are corrupt too" to attempt to take the issue off the table in the upcoming elections. This is clearly their strategy (Jefferson sting, now Reid) and I would expect more democrats to be accused of corruption. As long as they can sow reasonable doubt that corruption is not just a Republican monopoly...the ignorant rabble will eat it up and spin it to their advantage. It's IMPERATIVE that the Democrats clearly and succinctly define the subtle difference and proportion and keep up the pressure and visibility on the K street gangs much deeper and more nefarious corruption.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:24 AM
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8. Ringside can go for a few thousand dollars, but
that isn't the point. The point is that Reid did nothing wrong. The free tickets are perfectly allowable under Senate rules. The other huge point that Dems need to shout from the hilltops is that REID VOTED AGAINST THE AGENCY THAT GAVE HIM THE TICKETS. That is not how bribery works.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:05 AM
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12. AP tried to omit and distort this fact from it's coverage earlier...
The media is totally complicit in this RW smear campaign.

Check out this review of how AP re-edited the story on Reid multiple times and "conveniently" left out certain phrases that completely changed what was being said in the article. They tried to explain it as "editing for space", but from this blogster's more perceptive point of view, it appears these edits were intentional!

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/05/associated-press-caught-deleting-line.html
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:33 AM
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9. I heard the figure of $1500 per ticket.
But that was either CNN or MSNBC, so take it with a grain (10 lbs) of salt.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:55 AM
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18. i read on yahoo that they were front row seats worth $1000+
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:07 AM
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28. If Reid did anything wrong, he should pay the price
I fully support ANY politician who accepts inappropriate gifts to pay the consequence. That, I hope, is what makes us different from them.
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:22 AM
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30. One was ringside $1400 most all these ticket in Vegasare compt'd
to high rollers.
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Biernuts Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:42 PM
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45. Ringside Seats
The Article said John McCain, who accompanied Harry Ried paid the $1400 for his seat. The cost will not be the issue as much as being able to obtain the seats at all. Like members sitting in skyboxes with a "$49" face value. Just go up the ticket window with $100 and say you'd like two skybox tickets to the superbowl, or any NFL game.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:23 AM
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6. Meanwhile, in their bizarre universe of syndicated crime
criminal sleaze gets rewarded. Promoted. Celebrated.

Where's the media outrage on this one, huh?

GOP phone jammer to teach GOP Campaign school...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=430394&mesg_id=430486

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:37 AM
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10. Harry Reid takes THREE after-dinner mints from the bowl at
the entrance to the restaurant...so of course, that's equivalent to the guy who busts in to the joint and robs it at gunpoint!!!! :rofl:
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Left Coast Lynn Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:13 AM
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13. It was unethical
It pales next to the repug scandals, and was apparently legal.

But taking these free tickets worth hundreds or thousands from an industry when working on regulating them doesn't look good.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:34 AM
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15. He demonstrably worked to REGULATE the industry.
Can it be called a bribe if he worked against their interests?

He was on record already as favoring federal regulation and acceptance of the tickets didn't seem to sway him in the least.

I might add that I am a boxing fan and also favor federal regulation.
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Left Coast Lynn Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:26 PM
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31. It a congressman were working
on regulating your industry, you wouldn't want him on your side?

The idea would be it would influence the extent to which it became regulated - perhaps avoid some provisions they don't want.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:24 PM
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42. He voted AGAINST the industry's wishes and for much needed federal
Edited on Wed May-31-06 07:26 PM by blondeatlast
regulation of boxing.

If you read through the article and the subsequent posts, that's very apparent.

But hell, let's just eat our own, there aren't any hate/warmongering corporate asshole licking Republicans to hate this week. :eyes:

Repeating what the RW will be saying is no help whatsoever when the truth of the matter is so apparent and understandable.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:57 AM
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19. I agree. The tickets are chickenfeed next to Rethug antics but a
government official or representative has to be like Caesar's wife - entirely above reproach. You take *nothing" from a salesman or vendor or lobbyist as there is always a hook attached. Always.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:23 AM
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23. agreed, he did not change his votes for them
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vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:31 PM
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32. Feingold would not have done it
I would like to see all Dems aspire to his standards (in many ways).
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:15 PM
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36. because Wisconsin doesn't have much boxing, but they do have cheese
and he wasn't researching boxing regulations. Free tickets from a government agency? Who cares if they let a Senator in for free?

I like Feingold too, but I bet he's accepted free cheese, and I guarantee it wasn't from any government agency. If Feingold had accepted some free Wisconsin cheese would you judge him? How about if he voted for stricter regulation of the dairy who gave him the cheese?

Desperation is a stinky cologne and the Republicans who regularly take millions of dollars in bribes are reeking.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:19 AM
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14. Thank you for posting this. It explains the headlines
and helps us see that he still voted against what they were trying to bribe him.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:36 AM
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16. Same as accepting millions in bribes from defense contractors?
Right?
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:44 AM
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17. Rock-em Sock-em!
The re-pubs wont hold KING GEORGE responsible for his boxing match with Saddam. But they can jump on Reid for going to a boxing match.
This is ridiculous especially since he voted against the people how gave him the tickets.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:58 AM
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20. This is so friggin funny !
How can you not laugh at their desperation??
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:04 AM
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21. Sean Hannity was gloating about this yesterday on the radio.
He'll grasp at any straw and hang on just to discredit the Democrats.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:06 AM
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22. It's very unfortunate

"Free ringside boxing tickets" is a quick and easy soundbite, just like "$10,000 cash in the freezer".

I know that Reid did not technically break any rules, but that is not enough. In order for the "Repukes are corrupt" theme not to be taken away from us, we need *all* of our dems to be *completely* above reproach. Reid should have erred on the side of caution and paid for the tickets, just like McCain.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:28 AM
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24. K& R
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:31 AM
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25. So, "what happens in Vegas..."
doesn't stay there afterall :D
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:40 AM
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26. Reid Wrong
I know the Republican are wrong for trying to make a big deal about this, but Reid should not have taken the free tickets when the group had legislation in front of the Senate. This shows why there is a need for reform of gift giving and financing in the Congress. There is a need for legislation that prevents groups from giving anything free to the Congressmen and Congresswomen. If they ( the Congresspeople) want to do research on an item than they should just pay money for admission to the event.
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JohnnyMcNugget Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:11 AM
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29. Re: Reid Wrong
I think there definitely needs to be ethics reform, however, there should also be a provision to allow further research on a topic that is not at the congressperson's expense. Imagine a reporter doing research for a story. They are supposedly reimbursed for expenses relating to that story. It should be the same for congress.

And how many things does a Senator vote on? Could you possibly afford to learn about all of them if you had to pay for every thing?

Admittedly, seeing a boxing match really won't affect your knowledge of the situation, but talking with people there, commissioners and what not, would.

I think I am one of the few who do see that lobbyists have some good that they can do. Their job is supposed to be informing congresspeople about issues and giving them their group's viewpoint on the help or hurt a law would cause. As long as they aren't bribing (and in Reid's case they obviously weren't), I see nothing wrong with lobbying.

I don't know all the facts about the dark side of lobbying, so please let me know if I have simplified my point too much.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:56 AM
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46. Do Not Hate Lobbyists
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 06:58 AM by erpowers
I do not hate lobbyists either and I think they can do good things. However, I do not think lobbyists or lobbying groups should pay for things that Congresspeople get. I do not think you have simplified lobbying too much. There is a dark side and I do not know too much about it either. In my opinion people like Newt Gingrich and Tom Delay made things worse when they stared the K Street project. They (Gingrich and Delay) were the ones who seem to have made lobbying a pay for play type of game. When they took over congress in the early 90s they told lobbying groups that the only way they would get their legislation passed was if they gave large amounts of money to the Republican and did not give any money to the Democrats. So it seems to me that the Republicans took an industry that had some bad parts and then mainly made just about the whole industry bad.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:19 PM
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33. Sniff Sniff...Smell that!?!
I can almost SMELL the Desperation from here.

HEY! "RW Bloggers"!!!
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:51 PM
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34. well
I guess Reid wasn't wrong, since these were not tickets but VIP passes with a $0 dollar amount on them, it was
not legal for Reid to pay for them.

And in fact, when McCain insisted on paying for them, he was the one who was in the wrong.

When Reid did get actual seats at boxing matches, he paid.

I wonder how much press this side of the story will get on Hannity.

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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:08 PM
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35. I'm waiting for some wild-eyed DUer to demand his resignation
you just know somebody is going to say it.

:popcorn:

It makes sense to go to a boxing match if you're researching legislation on it. Why would a government agency bribe anybody? It's not like it's costing them anything to let a US Senator in.
:shrug:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:45 PM
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37. Look up thread if you want to set a few here straight...
...(26). My Dad has friends in the Atlanta Hawks organization who give him "comp" tickets all the time. Promoters and team owners always give out a few dozen "comp tickets" to major sporting events, and none of them have any "resale" value or price printed on them, they are just considered a business expense.

The RWer's who are pushing this MUST already know this, but are trying to fool the GOP Lemmings into believing this is wrong.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:28 PM
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43. Post 41 at your service.
Pass that popcorn over here, and I've got ice cold soda.

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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. haha, I knew it was coming
and I can't pass up on the chance for popcorn and soda with an Arizona blonde!
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 05:31 PM
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38. So this is like...
So this is like a park ranger giving you a tour of the Grand Canyon, right?

Seems to me that's the same sort of function.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:04 PM
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39. any politician who gets a free tour should resign immediately
so there goes McCain! That was easy. :silly:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:08 PM
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40. This will backfire. "If this is worst Dems did, they must be saints" is
what people are going to think. Plus people in Reid's home state will figure he was doing his job.

GOP should have concentrated on William Jefferson, like Karl Rove wanted them to, but instead they embraced the actual crook as one of their own and let the DEMS score political points by rejecting him for his crimes.

Right now there is no one in charge of the RNC and it shows.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:37 PM
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41. BS - if Reid took these tickets, he should go down too. NONE
Edited on Wed May-31-06 06:40 PM by williesgirl
of these crooks is above the law or above moral ethics required of folks in high positions. If we defend him, we're no better than the repukes. Even the republicans seated with him paid for their tickets. He should have too. He's no better or different than the rest of the crooks.

I don't see anyone offering me free $1400 seats to anything. Perhaps it's because I can't effect their objectives. Everything comes at a price. Reid cost us Dems our claim to be above all this crap.
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