Radio talk-show host apologizes for supporting Bush

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http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning

AN APOLOGY FROM A BUSH VOTER

By Doug McIntyre
Host, McIntyre in the Morning
Talk Radio 790 KABC

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I’m saying today, I was wrong to have voted for George W. Bush. In historic terms, I believe George W. Bush is the worst two-term President in the history of the country. Worse than Grant. I also believe a case can be made that he’s the worst President, period.

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I believe that George W. Bush has taken us down a terrible road. I don’t believe the Democrats are offering an alternative. That means we’re on our own to save this magnificent country. The United States of America is a gift to the world, but it has been badly abused and it’s rightful owners, We the People, had better step up to the plate and reclaim it before the damage becomes irreparable.


So, accept my apology for allowing partisanship to blind me to an obvious truth; our President is incapable of the tasks he is charged with. I almost feel sorry for him. He is clearly in over his head. Yet, he doesn’t generate the sympathy Warren Harding earned. Harding, a spectacular mediocrity, had the self-knowledge to tell any and all he shouldn’t be President. George W. Bush continues to act the part, but at this point whose buying the act?


Does this make me a waffler? A flip-flopper? Maybe, although I prefer to call it realism. And, for those of you who never supported Bush, its also fair to accuse me of kicking Bush while he’s down. After all, you were kicking him while he was up.


You were right, I was wrong.

[Hugin]

1. *faint*

*unconscious finger pointing at*---> "You were right, I was wrong."

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. Ah, he gets ticket number 9,584,888

in the George W. Bush gangbang.

Oh, well, better late than never.

Now, let's see him actually DO something to make up for his grievous error.

Talk - it's so cheap.

[LilyLibber]

3. Oh. My. God.

I think I just saw some swine wingin' it past my window... :wow:

[jobycom]

4. Tell it to the hand

Some of us are focused on fixing things, not patting Repubs on the back for finally understanding what we always knew. Now, when he admits he's wrong about the Democrats, too, and begins campaigning for them, instead of giving dumb-ass speeches about how we are God's gift to the world and must fix ourselves, maybe I'll care what he's saying.

[quaoar]

5. Some people are never satisfied

We fume about Republicans who refuse to see the light and then when they finally do we condemn them for not doing it earlier.

[GOTV]

15. What good does admiting you were wrong do unless...

... you're willing to do something about the damage you caused?

On the contrary, as far as I can tell, he's still a Republican and will be working for Republicans in the future to preserve their majority.

He's taken no responsibility, has not become a smarter voter, has not admitted his criteria for voting is flawed, has not done one thing except acknowledg that his choice, George Bush, turns out not to be doing a good job.

He says "So, maybe 50 years from now Iraq will be a peaceful member of the brotherhood of nations and George W. Bush will be celebrated as a visionary genius. But we don’t live fifty years in the future. We live now. We have to make public policy decisions now."

We were living a yeah and a half ago and THAT'S when we needed to make a policy decision.

Does this guy not understand the concept of voting?

[quaoar]

21. You expect way too much

You expect someone to go from Bush-voting Republican to progressive Democrat in one fell swoop.

Rarely happens that way. Usually takes at least a little time.

So how about giving the guy a little encouragement, cutting him some slack instead of kicking him in the balls?

[GOTV]

32. I'm pretty sure I'm not speaking to him at all...

Were I writing to him, or speaking with him, I might put things differently. I'm not interested in kicking him in the balls. But I'm talking to the people here and just trying to let you all know that this guy has not become an asset. He's a year and a half late with his revelation and if he's still advocating Republicans he's still a problem.

I'm saying these things because anyone of us might meet people in real life who have now seen what a terrible preseident their choice was and I'm hoping that, if you do, you will think - not about kicking them in the balls, but prodding them to think about the reasons they voted so poorly. What will they do differently? Who misled them into voting the way they do? Maybe they should look with fresh eyes at options they dismissed before (democrats).

[Mad_Dem_X]

36. Bingo! Work for change

All the talking in the world won't help matters.

[PetraPooh]

37. HE IS doing something about the damage. . .

The problem with sheeple is that they need to be given permission to believe what they always suspected. He is by example showing them that there is a time to back the heck down and admit he was wrong and that he is changing sides. Others that have been previously swayed will now have a choice to make; go with him or diss him. Not that I don't wish many had already done this and way sooner. BUT originally he led folks down a path; now he is leading them again. Give it some time. I think it is a legitimate and rational presentation that will "allow" others to follow.

[GOTV]

38. No. You are wrong.

If he was changing sides you'd be right but he is NOT changing sides. I'll quote from his article:

"None of this, by the way, should be interpreted as an endorsement of the opposition party. The Democrats are equally bankrupt."

"Tragically, the Democrats have allowed crackpots, leftists and demagogic cowards to snipe from the sidelines while taking no responsibility for anything."

Do you think that he's referring to the members of this board here?

His article disses Bush and the entire Democratic party. He lays no blame on the rest of the Republican party. In fact he doesn't even mention the Republican party.

He's a full-on Republican who just doesn't like Bush.

Then you say "Others that have been previously swayed will now have a choice to make; go with him or diss him."

They will go with him - still voting for Republicans. He's just saying don't vote for Bush (which you can't) and that the Democrats are just as bad.

The preponderance of the evidence suggests that Doug will continue to work against our interests now and in the future.

[jobycom]

26. He didn't see the light, he just mouthed the words.

All he said was that Bush failed because he was incapable of doing the job. What he's done is blame Bush's incompetence for the failure of his party's ideology. The Iraq invasion didn't fail because Bush was incompetent, it failed because the ideology that we can settle all our problems through force is flawed. The economy didn't fail because Bush was incompetent, it failed because the conservatives got everything they wanted and what they wanted is flawed. The FEMA response to Katrina was homicidally negligent not because FEMA failed to do anything, but because their ideology believed they shouldn't do anything.

Their ideology failed. This guy, and I'm sure this will become the spin of all Republicans by 2008, is blaming Bush's incompetence only so they can continue to claim their ideology is sound. "It would work, but Bush was incompetent." They'll start the "He fooled everyone" spin soon. Heck, they may even impeach him to prove they think he's incompetent, to steal our vindication.

This radio host just turned against an unpopular president after polls showed his listeners no longer liked Bush. He didn't see the light, he just felt the heat.

[Ganja Ninja]

6. Exactly! They admit they were wrong about Dubya but ...

they still don't see the light. To them it's all Dubya's fault. He's the moron not them. If only Dubya would follow the teachings of their gurus Rush and Hannity. They all need a swift kick in the ass.

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9. Go back and read the last line

He admits he was wrong.

[Mad_Dem_X]

35. Thank you, I agree

Stop bashing Dems, join with them to help change things. Otherwise, STFU.

[enid602]

7. "but at this point whose buying the act? "

should be 'who's.' Another GOP scholar.

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[wyldwolf]

8. He didn't declare his allegiance to the Libertarians?

[peacetalksforall]

10. May I present this idea? FLIP-FLOP AMNESTY! If I had the time I

would set up a website and allow testimony of any user with or without a real name to give testimony as to how they saw the light! They are granted amnesty in exchange for their story.

[Breeze54]

12. Wow!!!

I just listened to the whole apology! http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432636&PT=As+Heard+On+Radio

12 minute Audio clip here--> http://images.radcity.net/5147/1424125.wma

Unbelievable!! I've never heard of this guy.
Where is this radio station? What state?

I hope more of the Talk Show DJ's will follow suit!

Thanks for posting this!! :)

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Ya know? I'm listening to it again and it really is a pretty good speech!!
I think I'll share this with some fundies and righties I know!!! ;)

[GOTV]

16. What has he learned and...

... what will he do differently in the future?

As far as I can tell, he has all the same beliefs that caused him to vote for Bush to begin with.

He's down on a guy noone will ever get a chance to vote for ever again. Big Deal. He's not down on the organization that would raise a failier like W up as their nominee.

I believe he's the same problem he always was.

[Breeze54]

20. I undertsand

what you are saying but I think if the idiots who voted for bush hear this,
maybe they'll wake up and not vote repuke again or at least this time around
in '06 and '08. Hate to break it to you but some of the "so called" DINO's
NEED to have dirt thrown at them!! People like him, who finally open thier
big mouth's and speak, at least SOME truth, to those they have abused with
lies? I don't have a problem with it. He did admit he was wrong.
Maybe it's a ploy, I don't know. But the idiots who have been listening
to him on a regular bases, may now be able to dissent also....
and that could mean change, imho. And isn't that what we all want? :shrug:
This is what a three time bush voter said after hearing this today-->

"After I saw Bush for what he really is after 911, I felt sick to my stomach
that I helped put that man in office in 2000. Of course, we all know that it was
really the Supreme Court and Katherine Harris who put him in the office.
But, I worked on his campaign and voted for him. It is really hard to realize
that something you believed so strongly in...the republican party...could turn
into what it is now. And, I don't think any of us, former republicans or not,
could have foreseen how inept and corrupt this administration was going to be.
Yes, I'm sorry I voted for him too!"

See?? It does help them out of the fog!
;)

[GOTV]

23. No change, no praise.

"I think if the idiots who voted for bush hear this,
maybe they'll wake up and not vote repuke again"

If this guy is continuing to support Republicans in '06 then these folks you're referring to, who look to him for ideas, will likely vote for Republicans again. He's doing us no favors telling people not to vote for Bush.

"Hate to break it to you but some of the "so called" DINO's
NEED to have dirt thrown at them"

I didn't say anything to support DINOs

"I don't have a problem with it."

I also don't have a problem with it. I'm just saying he deserves no praise for simply acknowledging that Bush has been a horrible president. MOST Americans admit that now.

"He did admit he was wrong."

I take no joy in being told I was right. At least not when being right means the president did damage America after all.

"Maybe it's a ploy, I don't know."

I'm not saying it's a ploy. He's probably sincere. Now he should answer the question "what are you going to do about it?" Otherwise he's just saying "Sorry I killed all those people and ran up the national debt that you'll be paying for the rest of your life. I was wrong. Good luck with all that. See Ya!"

"But the idiots who have been listening
to him on a regular bases, may now be able to dissent also....
and that could mean change, imho. And isn't that what we all want?"

Yes. We want change. And this guy, as far as we can tell has NOT changed. Do you see? You and I want the same thing. We want people like him to change. If he comes out for Democratic leadership he's changed. If he is still putting his voice behind Republicans he has not changed and you and I did not get what we want from him. And as far as I can tell from this article he is only willing to admit that, somehow, Bush has turned out worse than he expected.

--"After I saw Bush for what he really is after 911, I felt sick to my stomach
that I helped put that man in office in 2000."--

"See?? It does help them out of the fog!"

Actually. It sounds like your friend came out of the fog shortly after 9/11, which is when everyone should have come out of the fog. Your friend regrets the vote in 2000. Presumable your friend did not vote for Bush in 2004. So, I don't think it was this article that brought your friend around... based on the fact that your friend gave the reasons he/she came around (9/11)

[guidod]

24. You did a very nice job

taking this fake idiot down. We, the dems, need more people with words like yours. Thank you! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Breeze54]

25. Er....getting

really picky aren't you? Over analytical?
You mentioned Democrats, having dirt thrown at them. I mentioned DINO's.
What's the difference?
The Dems/dino's who voted for repig bills deserve what they get.

"I'm just saying he deserves no praise for simply acknowledging that
Bush has been a horrible president. MOST Americans admit that now."
I wasn't praising him. I'm happy that he spoke on the air.
I actually listened to the whole thing. You said you read it.

"I'm not saying it's a ploy."
No, you didn't. I said it might be.

"Do you see?"
I see quite clearly. Not sure if you do, though.

"....and you and I did not get what we want from him."
I don't want anything from him. I never said that.

"So, I don't think it was this article that brought your friend around..."
My friend' voted for bush three times.
How would you know what brought them around? I know them. You don't.
It wasn't 9-11.
That may have been part of it but my friend still "thinks" like a repuke.
This apology did help them.

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I think, MY OPINION, you have over analyzed MY feeling about the apology speech.
Take a breath.

[GOTV]

34. I've heard that I an over analytical but anyways....

"You mentioned Democrats, having dirt thrown at them."

I think you're confusing me with another poster. In the post you responded to I didn't even mention Democrats



"I wasn't praising him."

I took this for praise:

"Wow!!" "Unbelievable" "it really is a good speech"

If you're not praising him, if you realize he's not saying he's with us or even that he's more sympathetic to progressive causes now, then I misjudged your post and I think we agree.

"I don't want anything from him. I never said that."

Here's where you mentioned wanting change

"and that could mean change, imho. And isn't that what we all want?"

I took that to mean that you wanted change and that he may foster change. I'm saying that we know he's changed his mind about the past but we're not getting the change that we want.

"How would you know what brought them around?"

You friend said what brought him or her around in the very first sentence "After I saw Bush for what he really is after 911, I felt sick to my stomach that I helped put that man in office in 2000."

You're friend was sorry for voting for Bush in 2000 because of his response to 9/11. I only know this based on your recounting of your friend's statement. Your accounting may not have been accurate or complete and in that case I could be wrong.

"I think, MY OPINION, you have over analyzed MY feeling about the apology speech."

That's possible. In any case I think it's important for people to remain forward looking and not get caught up in vindication lust or collecting mea culpas (not that you necessarily were) and to realize the past is the past and what's important is what all these Bush voters will do in the future.

[calimary]

17. He's at KABC Talkradio here in L.A. Mornings, I believe.

I don't listen because that whole station is infested with fascists. They carry o'reilly AND that-guy-whose-name-rhymes-with-Vanity. Frankly, I can't be bothered. Life's too short. Yes, there was this talk show panel discussion here a couple of weekends ago, with Stephanie Miller and this guy Doug McEntire, and a couple of others, and a longtime liberal talk show host named Michael Jackson - who got shoved aside because he was not this week's flavor and somebody in the network brass thought some asshole-whose-name-rhymes-with-Vanity would be a bigger ratings-getter. It's disgusting. An ABC O&O, and you'd think in the second-largest radio market in the country, they'd be able to find some local talent for their prime dayparts. But no..... they have to pipe in a couple of wrong-wing, processed schmucks from the East Coast. Great way to serve the local community, isn't it?

[SoCalDemGrrl]

30. KABC is in Los Angeles, however he may also be syndicated in addnl mkts

[Cosmocat]

13. Screw him ...

I actually sent him a reply ... What he did is what every half butted jackoff who rode the Bushco tital wave ... Washed his hands of the little puke, while throwing dirt on the Ds ...

Jesus, that pisses me off just the same ... These arrogant, hateful SOBs spent the last decade hating them there liberals, then in their blind hatred hitched their cart to a guy who was CLEARLY a MAJOR disaster waiting to happen, then spent 5 years telling anyone who didn't support the clown regardless of his lies, incompetence and wildly dangerous ideology that they were unpatriotic scum ... NOW, they want to call him for the waste he is, while still holding on to the core hatred that helped them to back the nutjob ...

Screw this guy ... He hasn't changed ...

[GOTV]

14. Late = Never

Is he offering ANYTHING to undo the damage he's done with his support of the failure in the white house?

He's not saying it was a mistake to vote Republican. He's only saying it was a mistake to vote for Bush, now that he will never have an opportunity to vote for Bush. He's still open, as far as we can tell from what he wrote, to advocate for Republicans this November.

Has he seen the light on irresponsible tax cuts? Pre-emptive war? Republican "values" rhetoric? Is he going to work or donate to democrats running against Republican incumbents.

No, he's made NO progress. He's simply going with the majority AGAIN. And taking NO responsibility.

He ought to pay double his taxes for 8 years to pay off the share of the debt for some poor Kerry voter who got wise in time to do something about it.

[quaoar]

22. I get the feeling that if this guy

were to nail himself to a cross in penitence, you would complain that the nails were not long enough.

[GOTV]

33. We don't need penitence...

... we need change. If this guy nailed himself to a cross my complaint would be the same - it's not helping anyone. It's not undoing the damage he did. It's a meaningless gesture. I don't care that he's sorry, I don't care that he's admitting a mistake, I don't care that he's saying I was right I only care about what he's going to do about it.

He should take some responsibility for his actions and do something to repair the problems he caused.

[Doctor_J]

18. He'll be whoring for McCain or Rudy or

whatever GOP hack is out front in 08. I hope jumping on and off the bandwagon doesn't get him hurt. At least he's apologized though. Give him a few points for that.

[Vickers]

19. "you were kicking him while he was up."

Because he DESERVED kicking.

You are kicking because it's fashionable. You are a COWARD.

FUCK YOU.

[dg10348]

27. Doug voted for him in 2000 NOT 2004

He said BEFORE the 2004 election that he was not going to vote for him. Mr KABC is the only listenable one left on that station

[Kurovski]

28. He mentions Al Gore in the same breath as GWBush.

As if they're both equally as bad.

He may need a few more lessons in paying attention.

[drhilarius]

29. *Ahem*

told you so.

[Iowa]

31. Pfft...

This is really slippery. It appears to be yet another desperate repuke tactic - an effort to run from their failed president by feigning heartfelt confessions and mea culpas. Blame it all on the half-wit in the WH so the neocon movement can live to see another day.

His bottom line: The Dems and Bush are equally bad. Notice that he ties our entire party with just one man - their dismal failure of a president. Slick.

I can spot a phony when I see one, and this shit-head strikes me as a first-class snake with an agenda. I expect we'll be seeing more of this crap. I'm not buying it for a second. He's not coming around to our way of thinking - he's fighting for the survival of the RW agenda. Screw him.

[Cosmocat]

39. YEP ...

There are a number of versions, from George W Bush REALLY isn't a conservative (like that wasn't obvious a LONG time ago) to this stuff ... All these clowns do the SAME THING ... Call him a disaster while trashing all democrats ...

SCREW HIM !!!