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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:36 AM
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Bush** will rise in the polls after his speech on Monday; National Guard
at the border will delight the conservatives who have brought him down in the polls. The right wing will rally behind the militarization of the border and this "issue" will wipe the NSA stuff and just about everything except American Idol off the news.
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killerbush Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:39 AM
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1. It might, but don't forget Patrick Fitzgerald
Edited on Sat May-13-06 10:39 AM by killerbush
We still have to hear from him, and all indications that he's about to indict Rove.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:39 AM
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2. Or, he will mouth the same old phrases that no one believes any more
and sink lower.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:42 AM
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5. Maybe..... but broadcast media is talking up his speech. It will bump
him up- high 30's.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:59 AM
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19. Every time he speaks lately (the past few months) he drops.
And there's w whole new round of scandals, too. He's gone by August.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:40 AM
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3. Unless financial collapse, Rove's indictment and whatever
else happens Monday overshadows the asshat's speech.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:41 AM
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Probably so
... until the next self-destructive shitstorm they cause.

The scandals are NOT over.

Rove may happen as soon as Monday, but wouldn't Wednesday or Friday be better?

What about when the FBI arrests Goss?

Yeah, the National Guard shit will bump his polls numbers .... for a few days .... and then its back to the freefall. This is the desperate act of a desperate bunch ....
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:43 AM
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6. Hopefully his bump won't last. Rove, etc may correct it.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:41 AM
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4. No it will not help ....
He has ruined the guard with his Iraqi war and so his plan to call out the
guard will show that sad fact all the more and push his #s even lower.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:44 AM
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7. Don't bet on it, LOL
I'm counting on him sinking further, as he has done after nearly every TV appearance in the last 1-2 yrs.
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:50 AM
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8. I don't know about that.
With the vast majority of those people overseas doing two, three, four tours, how will they get all of the manpower they should have for this action? :shrug:
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:50 AM
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9. Is anyone (besides NSA) listening anymore?
I think the worm has turned. Most people are tuning him out.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:52 AM
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10. Not likely..
he's just passing the buck (literally) to the states.
Arnold is already bitching about it.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:52 AM
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11. A momentary blip, if anything
The people are too ticked off and they view any new speech with skepticism.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:54 AM
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12. Nah, don't think so. nm
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:54 AM
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13. It will be terra, terra and 9/11 or September the 11th changed everything
He simply can not resist using the age old bull shit comments.

I am also sure there will be several mentions of "this critical moment in American history" or some derivative.

Regardless, I won't watch, I don't need to be sick.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:54 AM
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What about the possible conflict with
activating armed troops within our own borders? Isn't that going to stir up another hornet's nest? I'm lazy with my research, but I think I've read posts around here alluding to some Constitutional forbidding of military raised up and activated here in the US...like isn't that a usurpation of the state's rights? Don't the state governments have the say (well, throretically) of their citizen-Guardsmens' use within each of their states?
And doesn't the Federal activation of troops inside the US make more of a case for 2nd Amendment rights? Could this actually strengthen the "militias" like the those Minutemen fellows? Perhaps GWB and his ilk are just interested in a little domestic dischord as a reason to slap us into a martial law crossroads, another panicky up-or-down vote, before election time? Maybe the Rove-ian playbook actually is supposed to span a longer time....

I hope that there's a bit of hue-and-cry over this, if my above-mentioned fears are indeed possible fallout.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:00 AM
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20. I did not think about that. I think I recall a governor or two stressing
their control over the Guard in the past year. I don't know what the issue was though.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:54 AM
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14. I'll tell ya what .....
.... if his numbers DON'T go up with that speech, he really is done.

The next two-and-a-half years will be little more than eulogy and epitath.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:57 AM
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16. Its about all he has left except gay marriage, guns and God to rally
his base.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:15 AM
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22. And he's slowly losing the gunners
... they're staring to see we're not far from their views, either.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:55 AM
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15. Possibly. Until they remember we don't have any National Guard left.
They will definitely lie to us and tell us his poll numbers have increased with one of their 500 or so sample size polls, but it won't help him. The public is against him. Unfortunately, what we think doesn't matter, it is our corporate government, corporate media and corporate judiciary that are acting as accomplices to his treason.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:58 AM
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17. Hahaha, not a chance!
These will be the first polls following the revelations that the NSA actually is spying on almost all of us. He's going to tank rapidly.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:59 AM
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18. Oh boy he might get to 35% nt
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:09 AM
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21. I heard somewhere this AM this speech is Rove's idea, Ha Ha!
This stupid speech will fall flatter than a pancake for many reasons.

The price of gas is killing some people. A man in Virginia is paying $700 a month just to drive to work (having made the mistake of moving to a safer area for his kids.) He is borrowing money to pay his house payment which he cannot make now. Do you think people like him are going to care about Bush's Brain's speech?

How much are we willing to ask the Guard to do? We are killing many and burning the rest out. These guardsman want to get back to their lives and family. Most Americans would agree that they should not be expected to shoulder repeated tours of duty.

Most Americans are well aware that Bush used Mexicans/Hispanics to his advantage. They are not going to take him seriously that now he wants to keep them out. Americans are not as dumb as Bush thinks they are.

I see Bush sliding down into the teens by the end of May.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:17 AM
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23. I don't think anyone listens to anything he says any more
and if they do they know it's all lies anyway.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:19 AM
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24. He might get a bump, but they have to execute the plan.
One thing we know about these criminals is that they can't do anything right. They don't know how to govern.

So unless they put General Patton, himself, in charge of the border operation, they probably will cause more problems than they'll solve.

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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:19 AM
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25. I personally picture our troops, our young people, standing
in the appalling heat getting bitten by rattlesnakes. Some days, they get to shoot young Mexican people. Very expensive in terms of money and emotional costs. People ought to be able to picture this scenario in their minds and the polls should drop even more.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:47 AM
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26. "Guest worker program" cancels out National Guard in FreepLand.
So far, the freeps see "guest worker program" as a synonym for "amnestia," they see it as a reward for breaking the law. They're pissed at Bush and in some F.R. threads on immigration reform they have actually called for his impeachment.

They're not buying it, they're not happy with it...if he gets a bounce from the National Guard move, that bounce will go straight down the toilet the minute he starts taking Guest Worker Program Victory Laps.

Maybe "The right wing will rally behind the militarization of the border," but they're not rallying behind "amnestia."
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G2099 Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:49 AM
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27. B*** sending National Guard to Border now will look stupid
People will think, now after million of illegals have entered the country now he wants to try to stop the flow? What about stopping it a long time ago?
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 01:08 PM
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28. No one even listens to him any more.
His speeches don't change anything.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 01:19 PM
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29. Like that is sure gonna cut the ga$ tank bill$ by half on Tuesday...
mornin'... (besides other "na$ty stuff" like his criminal "brain" getting frogged march pretty soon, it seems).

Nah... Not A Chance.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 01:50 PM
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30. After the Speech...the polls will yeild a 23 to 26 approval rating: Down
5 points....


Bwahahahahaha
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:16 PM
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31. I think the King's speech will be taken for what it is: desperation.
He knows he's got to do something or his team is going home for good. He might get a blip, but then he'll go down another 5 or so after Rove does the frog march.
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