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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:57 AM
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Moussaoui jury foreman: no death penalty = "cloud of doom".

Single vote spared Moussaoui from death penalty, says report
Last Updated Fri, 12 May 2006 08:45:52 EDT
CBC News

The vote of one juror prevented confessed al-Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui from being sentenced to death, says a published report.
Zacarias Moussaoui, shown in a 2005 court sketch, was spared the death penalty because of a single juror's vote, the jury's foreman told the Washington Post. (Associated Press)

In an interview with the Washington Post, the foreman of the 12-person jury said no one knew the identity of the dissenting juror because votes were held by secret ballot.

The foreman, a math teacher from Virginia who contacted the paper on condition of anonymity, said the jury voted 10-2, 10-2 and 11-1 in favour of the death penalty on the three charges for which he was eligible for execution.

A unanimous vote on any of the three would have meant a death sentence for Moussaoui.

The foreman told the Post that on April 26, the third day of deliberations, the jury voted 11-1 several times on one charge.

"It was as if a heavy cloud of doom had fallen over the deliberation room, and many of us realized that all our beliefs and our conclusions were being vetoed by one person," she told the paper.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/05/12/moussaoui-juror.html


Not getting to kill Maussaoui = a veto of "all our beliefs"?

The fact that he's guilty and going to jail for life means nothing....it's all a washout because nobody get's to put him down.

Disgusting.

Kudos to the one hero on that Jury. He/she saved us all from a little more pain.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 11:02 AM
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1. I wish more people would realize
that by sentencing him to life, he's gotten a much worse sentence (to him anyway) than the death penalty. He won't be able to get any attention with appeals of the sentence, appeals for clemency, the circus that would have surrounded the act of putting him to death itself. He's going to live the rest of his life in a teeny-tiny cell instead of becoming the Great Muslim Martyr he wanted to be.

dg
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:03 PM
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3. The important thing IMO is it's much better for the rest of us.
Denying him from being a martyr is a little extra bonus....even though he seemed to think he'd "won".
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 11:37 AM
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2. The smartest person in America--that juror!
1. No direct connection to 9/11 was proven, and the man is obviously a basket case.

2. Executing a basket case Muslim would have been seen as gratuitous anger, violence and murder by Muslim people throughout the world--why do that?

3. For all his nutsiness, who knows what may be rattling around in his loony brain, that might open up the vast Bush junta secrecy around 9/11? To execute the only person we have in LEGAL custody, who has a remote connection to 9/11 would be just plain STUPID. The real perps are likely still running around, and we don't really know who they are. Nothing's been proven about 9/11. All is cloudy.

4. Execution is FINAL. Are we that sure who this man is, who was 'running' him, to what end? Was he a decoy? A patsy? WHAT is the story with this man? Do we really know?

5. Now we have at least a chance to find out what Nicholas Berg's email account/password was DOING in Moussaoui's computer. (Nicholas Berg, the young businessman who was famously beheaded on video, just after the Abu Ghraib torture photos became public, six months before the 2004 election, had a mysterious connection to Moussaoui. Long story--the upshot being that Berg may have been somebody's operative in the "anti-terror" games--not sure good or bad--his email account/password was reported to have been found in Moussaoui's computer AFTER 9/11--the computer Colleen Rowley had wanted to get into BEFORE 9/11--and yet he was allowed to enter Iraq "on business," was picked up there and held for 10 days by U.S. forces, and ended up beheaded on video, his death used as an ikon by Freepers to make us hate Arabs.)

6. Execution is uncivilized. Are we God? Do we always know everything? Can we ever see all details, circumstances and motives? Are we so stupid as to think that people are never set up?

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As I said, this juror was SMART. And if we ever find out who he/she is, we should probably make him/her President.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:24 PM
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5. Hear, hear!
It makes me physically ill to watch Americans debate whether Moussaoui escaped justice by not being put to death for a crime which all agree he was - having been in jail at the time on immigration charges - indisputably, incontestably, and irrefutably incapable of having committed. "Yes, but it's enough that he wanted to commit the crime!" seems to be the responding chorus. Oh really? Since when? Oh, wait, oh... damn! I just had a fleeting fantasy of pouring sugar into the gas tank of a Hummer! Drat, drat, drat! It just popped into my mind there for an instant, but there's no use trying to excuse myself: having thought of committing the crime, no matter how briefly, I guess by today's standards of jurisprudence, I'm just as guilty as if I had actually committed it. Well, I suppose I'd better start packing my bags. Will see you all in 20 years when I get out of Attica.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:22 PM
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4. 11 morons and 1 person with integrity

Sounds like the American jury system in its full present glory. What a f-cking "cloud of doom"..."Oh, we wanted to ritually kill someone SO BADLY and couldn't- what a sacrilege to our god Moloch!"
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:05 PM
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6. i'll ask again -- what the hell did he do?!!
He shouldn't even be in prison. He's a wannabe who has zero culpability in the events of 911.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:07 PM
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7. This Foreman needs to STFU if he wishes to maintain any shred of
Edited on Fri May-12-06 01:08 PM by ShortnFiery
dignity he once had. The families have suffered enough and so has The Nation to focus on this petty little bit player's fate. :grr: :nuke:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:33 PM
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8. Why is the foreman speaking? They were anon. He writing a book?
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:44 PM
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9. Now he's appealing it. This will have the blood lusters frothing...
..saying how he should just be killed so the 9/11 families don't have to continue to suffer through indignities like this.

Of course, if he was sentenced to die, there would be far more appeals than what we'll see now.
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