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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 07:10 PM
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The Washington Establishment are afraid of the netroots...
Edited on Wed May-10-06 07:16 PM by jackbourassa
After reading the Cohen piece in the Washington Post, I can't help but detect a pattern of behavior. Clearly, we are beginning to have an impact on the Washington Establishment's way of thinking, because ignoring us is no longer an option to them. Now they have resorted to a concerted effort to discredit us. Recently there have been several articles, all from inside-the-beltway types arguing that we, the net-roots of America, are nothing but a group of petulant children who need to either become more pragmatic or go away and let the "experts" run the Democratic Party. These are, of course, the same "experts" who advised us to support the Iraq war, to go along with an ill-conceived tax cut which will be paid for by our children, to play nice with the Bush Administration, to ignore illegal acts, to ignore the people's interests in favor of the lobbyists. The "experts" of the Washington Establishment have been on the wrong side of every issue that has come up since George W. Bush became President. What must keep them up at night is the fact, that it was us, in the net-root community, that was right. Here are only some examples:

1) WE WERE RIGHT ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR.

The Washington Establishment were almost unanimous in its support for this wasteful and unnecessary war. Many on our side argued that Iraq posed no threat to the United States. The Administration never provided sufficient evidence to show Iraq had WMDs. And even if it did, that Saddam was not crazy enough to use them. We argued that attacking Iraq would bring more problems than it solved, given the perilous relationship between the different Iraqi factions. We argued we would be stuck there for years, maybe decades. We argued that an Iraq war would create more terrorists than it would vanquish. For this bit of foresight, we were accused of being "out of touch," "inherently Un-American," and even "defeatists." The Washington Establishment saw themselves as being more sophisticated about such things. That we were not to be listened to, since supporting the Iraq war "makes you look strong on defense," as Al From once said. Yet, even now after all of our predictions have come to pass, the Washington Establish still fail to acknowledge that they were plain wrong on Iraq. Because doing so would mean that they are not as smart as they like to pretend to be and that supporting this war has actually put many Democrats in a box which they have found extremely difficult to escape.

2) THEY DO NOT WANT TO END CORRUPTION, ONLY CHANGE THOSE WHO ARE CORRUPTED.

I have always said that the DC establishment aren't upset by the corruption, only by the Republicans being in charge of it. We in the Democratic party have way too many of our own who work as lobbyists for giant corporations, that with a Democratic Administration in charge, they can profit from. They are not upset by redistricting, only that Tom Delay (R-TX) was the one drawing the district lines. They support telecom companies over people. They support credit card companies over people. They support any corporation which writes them a large enough check over the people. I'm reminded of what Al From once said. He is, of course, the founder of the DLC. The one who advises his "clients" to turn their back on minorities, women, labor, etc. Well, after many Democrats joined Republicans to support "Tort Reform" which limited the liability of punitive awards. The same Al From chastised those Democrats. Not because people would collect fewer punitive damages, that would be too decent. He was upset because trial lawyers, who give Democrats a lot of its campaign money, would collect lower fees, if such a law went through. We have to show, he said, that the "Democratic Party can be counted on by its supporters." As you can see, we have our own corruption problems.

3) THEY HAVEN'T WON AN ELECTION IN MORE THAN A DECADE AND EVEN THEN...

We keep hearing about how we can't win elections without them. Yet, even when our leaders in Washington accept their recommendations, we still lose elections (1994, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004). Even the elections we won (1992 & 1996), were not runaway successes. After all, we failed to win 50 % of the vote either time and actually lost Congressional seats in both elections. A couple of weeks ago Mike McCurry, former Clinton Press Secretary and current lobbyist, even suggested that following our advice would lead to the Democrats "winning 38%" in a national election. Now forget the fact that no Democrat has gotten 38% since 1972, that the closest we ever got to that was Jimmy Carter (41% in 1980), Walter Mondale (42% in 1984), and Bill Clinton (43% in 1992); also, forget the fact that the Washington Establishments favorite Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, usually polls 38% herself; it seems relevant to note that many issues that we, in the net-roots, advocate actually enjoy wide popularity among the general American population. Upset by corporate greed and rising energy and gas prices, we support a new energy policy that puts a premium on conservation and alternative energy sources. So do most Americans. We support a national health care system, as the most cost-effective way to insure the largest number of Americans. So do most Americans. We want to end the war in Iraq. So do most Americans.

We are not children. We are working class and affluent. We represent every race, creed and orientation. We are young and old. We are America. We're not going anywhere, and maybe this is why the Washington establishment are so upset. They are afraid of us because we are right and they are wrong. Because ultimately, they aren't as necessary as they once were.

Now if only they'd stop trying to destroy those of us within the party that are actually right on issues - damn, maybe we'd actually win an election or two.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 07:17 PM
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1. Yup, the problem isn't our candidates... it's the consultants...
...who are leaches on the system.

NGU.


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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:47 AM
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13. Leaches is a FINE way to phrase it. They're not pissed that parasites are
feeding off of the citizen body, only that they aren't getting their fair share. I have no use for the DLC and their ilk. Same corruption, just a different face. It's time for a THOROUGH house cleaning, their side AND our side.
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whododayis Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:24 PM
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23. a consultant is someone whose b.s. isn't good enough to get hired
these people are so full of good ideas, yet they haven't the conviction to actually run for office themselves following theiri own recommendations
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 07:18 PM
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2. hey, we blog on our own TIME and our own DIME
we're are not recycling tax dollars into payola for Hookers, parties, they even want door to
door service, what a joke.
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Robbie Michaels Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:45 AM
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7. On top of that
Most of us don't plead for donations. Besides, we blog for the best reason of all....we care. :-)
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:37 AM
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14. I could not have said it better thanks
loved the picture on your post!

Miss Waverly
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Robbie Michaels Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:27 PM
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24. Thank you
I took that from atop Mt. Soledad a few years back. :-)
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 07:24 PM
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3. 3) Right On! - Sometimes we forget that fact.
This is why we need Voting Reform and more free Media for candidates at all levels, especially local, and to restore Public Information protections, especially in re local air and water qualities.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 07:47 PM
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4. K&R
NGU.


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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 08:02 PM
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5. We're winning the information war and they can't stop us!
The netroots is about INFORMATION! Finally, information and knowlege will top spin. They can say what they want, but we will verify and contradict and offer alternate opinions. They no longer control the flow!

Look at the Colbert story. Unreported and yet it's the biggest thing around. They have made themselves look stupid and mendacious - it's obvious the MSM is in the pockets of the connected only now it's an open secret.

I thought I saw actual news reporting tonight. And Rupert Murdoch hosts a Clinton soiree? It's the earth tilting on it's axis. Only they really have lost it all forever. The genie is out of the bottle. Let's say they tie up the internet in the USA. Does that mean we won't connect internationally? No! They will just make themselves openly look like Communist China!

Information, undisrupted and flowing freely = freedom
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:35 AM
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8. Information is the key and is power
You'll notice that whoever in the past controlled information, controlled everything.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:48 AM
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11. Don't think they don't now that, and that they will try.
They will cloak it in "National Security" and "Protecting the Children".
Do. Not. Be. Fooled.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 08:37 PM
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6. Former Congressional Campaign Committee head
And candidate for DNC Chairman Martin Frost wrote this trash for Faux News:

Democrats' Message Misses Middle Class
Monday, May 08, 2006
(Snip)
According to Third-way, “Americans are optimistic about the nation’s future and their own; (Democratic) messaging is not. Americans see our society as a basically fair one, where hard work is rewarded; progressives emphasize obstacles to middle-class success.”

The study faults Democrats for always attacking the wealthy, noting “the middle-class aspires to wealth and doesn’t see big business or the wealthy as enemies.”

It adds that Democrats “downplay the strengths of the American economy…and fail to inspire conviction that America can continue to lead the world.”

(Snip)

The final part of the study urges Democrats to be optimistic about America and offer ideas that directly benefit the middle-class.

(1) Get the nation’s fiscal house in order by controlling entitlement spending, reining in budget deficits and “holding the federal government to the same standards of efficiency and competitiveness that are demanded of the nation’s companies and workers.”


(3) Help businesses keep jobs in America by containing health care costs, lifting some of the burden of retirement security off of business and punishing countries that use unfair trade tactics that harm American companies.

(5) Provide all Americans with affordable health insurance in the form of “competition-based health care reform.”




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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:39 AM
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9. Of course they are. . . . their marginalization is writ large now..
They are staring in the face of irrelevance and they don't like it.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:46 AM
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10. I've said it before, and I'll say it again.. the internet is the
PUBLIC SQUARE! It is absolutely necessary to keep this line of communication open and as uncorrupted as possible. It should be enshrined into our Constitutional right of assembly as soon as possible.

When the oligarchy tried the "big take over" before, the mainstream press was free and able to fight on behalf of the people. The big money people SAW THAT and proceeded to neuter our Fourth Estate as completely as possible, so that the information wouldn't get down to the "great unwashed".

NOW they can see that they are being stymied by email, and forums, and blogs and THEY NOTICE! They are at this very moment crafting the plugs to keep information away from us again.

ANY attempt to censor this stream of information does NOT HAVE THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE AT HEART. And we will know them by their attempts to cut us off.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:52 AM
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20. I totally agree annabanana,
this is freedom of speech in it's purist form, and the gate keepers to the truth are afraid of it. Like an earlier poster said, information is power and when the people were empowered with the opening of the internet, somebody had to give up some power, in this case it was the media conglomerates.

I believe this was their primary motivation making it so easy for them to trash and slander Al Gore as he was the most visible symbol and primary political champion of the internet. Now that they have kept him from coming to power, they will endorse, support and promote anyone regardless of party that is willing to tow the corporate line with the hopes of gradually neutering the net by making it less accessible to the people.

These are empire minded people and they are used to be treated as royalty, anything threatening this will have to put up a fight. I believe this is what someone in past meant when they said "democracy is not easy" and "you get the government you deserve". It's a guarantee if you are not vigilant and willing to fight for your rights regardless of whether it's written in the Constitution, someone will come along and try to take them from you.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:33 AM
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12. Viva Netroots! The Truth Will Out!
I am so sick of having 'experts' pick our candidates!!!!

We are in a CRISIS of democracy in which people with $$ get to determine which Dem candidate will have a chance to run because people inside the beltway judge quality of a potential candidate solely by the amount of $$ they bring in. Their 'strategic' choices suck (hence the mention of milquetoast Evan Bayh for a potential 2008 nod) because they will NOT focus on principles.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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freefall Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:59 AM
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15. K&R. They are afraid of us. We are going to have to fight tooth and nail
to keep your netroots. Let your congresspeople know how you feel about the "Net Neutrality" issue. Keep track of the statements of those congresspeople who are against net neutrality and who their campaign contributors are.

Peace,

freefall
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:15 AM
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16. The time they are a changin'
With the advent of the horseless carriage there were those who said that they should be banned because they scared the horses. It looks like the the traditional media is soiling its drawers with the knowledge that they have become irrelevant. Because no one in the corporate media has stood up to the criminal junta running the government, the people are turning to other sources, predominantly the Net for information and communication.
Howard Dean transformed the way money is raised and campaigns are run. He was ahead of the curve in 04, but the impact he made served notice. Although he wasn't strong enough to overcome the system, he made everyone take notice, and he is able to put things in language that the majority can grasp and identify with. The existing power structure put in their candidate, John Kerry, who really did get elected and would have made a fine President, but Kerry spoke in Senate-speak and the election was close enough to fix. With no paper trail it is no longer 50 +1. The polls have to indicate Democrats up by at least 10, as the Republicans control the mechanism that counts the votes.
Rahm Emanuel and Howard Dean are in dispute as to how to distribute campaign contributions. We've tried Emanuel's way and failed. The way the districts are set it's nearly impossible to get a district to shift party allegiance, lest the candidate is caught raping a farm animal. Dean has the right strategy for the future. Emanuel doesn't impress me as he sounds like DLC apologists Hillary Clinton and Holy Joe Lieberman. We need people who will not equivocate on our values of standing up for the working class and the lessors of our society. We need to stand for something the majority understands. Diversity is not one of those issues, but universal health care is. We need leadership that will call out the rubber stamp republicans for their loyalty to the lying scumbags and war profiteers in the White House. Hell, Bush just polled 31% with Gallup and they usually are + 5% in favor of Republicans, therefore making Bush's real approval at 26%. It's time to say we will not work in coordination with a party that runs up the debt and has nothing to show for it. We represent those who work hard and play by the rules We are not the party that spends its time creating new and inventive ways of looting the treasury and suspending the inalienable rights as prescribed in the Constitution while governing by appealing to people's worst fears and lowest instincts. Why do Republicans hate our children and the working class?
Our President is a nut.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:16 AM
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17. The time they are a changin'
With the advent of the horseless carriage there were those who said that they should be banned because they scared the horses. It looks like the the traditional media is soiling its drawers with the knowledge that they have become irrelevant. Because no one in the corporate media has stood up to the criminal junta running the government, the people are turning to other sources, predominantly the Net for information and communication.
Howard Dean transformed the way money is raised and campaigns are run. He was ahead of the curve in 04, but the impact he made served notice. Although he wasn't strong enough to overcome the system, he made everyone take notice, and he is able to put things in language that the majority can grasp and identify with. The existing power structure put in their candidate, John Kerry, who really did get elected and would have made a fine President, but Kerry spoke in Senate-speak and the election was close enough to fix. With no paper trail it is no longer 50 +1. The polls have to indicate Democrats up by at least 10, as the Republicans control the mechanism that counts the votes.
Rahm Emanuel and Howard Dean are in dispute as to how to distribute campaign contributions. We've tried Emanuel's way and failed. The way the districts are set it's nearly impossible to get a district to shift party allegiance, lest the candidate is caught raping a farm animal. Dean has the right strategy for the future. Emanuel doesn't impress me as he sounds like DLC apologists Hillary Clinton and Holy Joe Lieberman. We need people who will not equivocate on our values of standing up for the working class and the lessors of our society. We need to stand for something the majority understands. Diversity is not one of those issues, but universal health care is. We need leadership that will call out the rubber stamp republicans for their loyalty to the lying scumbags and war profiteers in the White House. Hell, Bush just polled 31% with Gallup and they usually are + 5% in favor of Republicans, therefore making Bush's real approval at 26%. It's time to say we will not work in coordination with a party that runs up the debt and has nothing to show for it. We represent those who work hard and play by the rules We are not the party that spends its time creating new and inventive ways of looting the treasury and suspending the inalienable rights as prescribed in the Constitution while governing by appealing to people's worst fears and lowest instincts. Why do Republicans hate our children and the working class?
Our President is a nut.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:18 AM
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18. The time they are a changin'
With the advent of the horseless carriage there were those who said that they should be banned because they scared the horses. It looks like the the traditional media is soiling its drawers with the knowledge that they have become irrelevant. Because no one in the corporate media has stood up to the criminal junta running the government, the people are turning to other sources, predominantly the Net for information and communication.
Howard Dean transformed the way money is raised and campaigns are run. He was ahead of the curve in 04, but the impact he made served notice. Although he wasn't strong enough to overcome the system, he made everyone take notice, and he is able to put things in language that the majority can grasp and identify with. The existing power structure put in their candidate, John Kerry, who really did get elected and would have made a fine President, but Kerry spoke in Senate-speak and the election was close enough to fix. With no paper trail it is no longer 50 +1. The polls have to indicate Democrats up by at least 10, as the Republicans control the mechanism that counts the votes.
Rahm Emanuel and Howard Dean are in dispute as to how to distribute campaign contributions. We've tried Emanuel's way and failed. The way the districts are set it's nearly impossible to get a district to shift party allegiance, lest the candidate is caught raping a farm animal. Dean has the right strategy for the future. Emanuel doesn't impress me as he sounds like DLC apologists Hillary Clinton and Holy Joe Lieberman. We need people who will not equivocate on our values of standing up for the working class and the lessors of our society. We need to stand for something the majority understands. Diversity is not one of those issues, but universal health care is. We need leadership that will call out the rubber stamp republicans for their loyalty to the lying scumbags and war profiteers in the White House. Hell, Bush just polled 31% with Gallup and they usually are + 5% in favor of Republicans, therefore making Bush's real approval at 26%. It's time to say we will not work in coordination with a party that runs up the debt and has nothing to show for it. We represent those who work hard and play by the rules We are not the party that spends its time creating new and inventive ways of looting the treasury and suspending the inalienable rights as prescribed in the Constitution while governing by appealing to people's worst fears and lowest instincts. Why do Republicans hate our children and the working class?
Our President is a nut.
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GrimReefa Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:30 AM
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19. The reason we will win...
...it's the same reason the conservatives eventually lose on every social issue. You can't halt progress, you can not stop time. The leadership of the Democratic Party is fighting a losing battle with the net masses. The fact that they let Howard Dean become DNC Chair only expedited the process, of course; they underestimated us then and they underestimate us now (although they are, apparently, starting to get the hint). If they were true liberals, of course, they would welcome the change, but since they're really Republicans In Bad Suits , as Michael Moore would say, they'll cling to the old ways tooth and nail. No matter. They can't hold on forever.
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 07:39 AM
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26. "They" didn't "let" Dean become DNC chair...
They fought him tooth and nail, but lost. Badly. There is a difference.
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:36 PM
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21. Truth, well said. NT
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:50 PM
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22. Only one way to regain control of the party...
As long as Democrats spend their days bitching online yet still sign checks and show up meekly at the polls, we can expect to be laughed at by these malefactors.

Supporting corporate shills and Bush appeasers will ensure more business-as-usual. Their contempt for the netroots--indeed for ordinary rank-and-file Dems--is complete. Nothing will change them. The game isn't played to please ordinary folk.

A way exists to rejuvenate and reinvigorate the party, to remake it as a tool for representing us. But it is not the path of customary party loyalty. No, it is the toughest love: starve these bastards of money and votes. Don't support them. Chill them out. Then rebuild from the ground up.

Few have the nerve for that. Most tremble, falling in line and being co-opted by idiocies like "Anybody But Bush." Most think a Dem is a Dem is a Dem. You lot get what you deserve. Alas, the rest of us don't deserve your pathetic surrender monkey politicians.

Know this: they will always batter you with slogans that force your surrender. And every election that reseats hypocrites and appeasers is a failure. The question is whether average Democrats have had enough, or whether they will be gulled for years and years to come.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:53 PM
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25. The netroots are the new roots
It is time for the party to understand that what brought the republicans to power was learning to protect the base.
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