Who do you think would win in a Hillary/Condi match-up?

[pnwmom]

Maybe we should be setting up a Condi for Pres. club.

(just kidding)

[unschooler]

1. Hillary. But it'll never happen.

Not so long as the republicans still have primaries.

[magnolia]

12. You are exactly right.

Money, power...those things don't matter here. You need votes to get nominated. The right-wing base will never nominate 1) a woman, 2) an African-American or 3) an unmarried person. So Sec. Rice already has three strikes against her and she knows it. (For the same reason she'll never be vice-president either.)

P.S. Why is it that Hillary and Condi are almost always referred to by their first names but men are referred to by title and/or last name? I've even heard them mentioned in the same sentence like: "...Rumsfeld, Cheney and Condi...." it's not Don, Dick and Condi. They do the same thing with Hillary: "...McCain vs. Hillary..." It's as if the whole system is demeaning and undermining women! I thought we were past that.

[unschooler]

18. Good point. I get the first name thang w/ Hillary, as it distinguishes

her from Bill.

Why would people refer to the Secretary of State by her first name? :shrug:

[merwin]

2. I think Condi could beat the crap out of Hillary, personally...

They're pretty evenly matched in terms of a fist fight, but Condi would no doubt go below the belt.

[neoblues]

3. Hillary vs. Condi - Winner: McCain nt.

[Selatius]

4. I don't think Hillary or Condi would really win outright

Neither candidate holds much appeal, so in such a situation I see an extremely close race in a divided electorate. Everybody else will simply not bother voting. Only really charismatic, popular candidates have been able to defeat the opponent with any significant margin.

[saltpoint]

5. It would be a big step forward for both parties to nominate women.

But both have an uphill climb getting their nominations.

At the same time both are within striking distance of being nominated. Dr. Rice is in the line of succession for the presidency right now. Senator Clinton is going to be re-elected by a big percentage to the U.S. Senate and will have the money to compete nationally.

I think a great majority of both parties' primary volunteers have decided against these two women already. That sounds dismissive, but really it isn't: party activists and volunteers know right now who they want on their party's tickets. They'll work for the ticket that materializes even if it isn't their first choice, but by and large, the party workers and operatives already have made up their minds. It's my sense that HClnton and Rice are not first-tier choices.

The general electorate has a less involved sense of potential candidacies and won't start zeroing in on a favorite until well after the 2006 midterms.

[TomClash]

6. Business nt

[bowens43]

7. condi - there is no one Hillary could beat.

[Peace Patriot]

8. Chevron and Exxon-Mobile--and a shitload of war profiteers.

But we might be able to talk Hillary into election reform--as long as it doesn't affect HER war.

That has to be the long term project--taking back our right to vote from the Bushite corporations that now own it, with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY vote tabulation software and virtually no audit/recount controls.

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SOME RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Hopeful signs - latest news:

California voters sue the state over Diebold:
www.VoterAction.org is suing the state of California and 18 Calif county registrars on behalf of 25 California voter/plaintiffs, on the illegal Diebold "certification" by Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2180496
Seven of these counties just promised the judge they would use PAPER BALLOTS, and were dismissed from this lawsuit (4/27/06).
http://kcbs.com/pages/29285.php
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2249205

Maryland rejects Diebold:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x418263

Florida - anti-trust accusations against Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, re: heroic Florida election official Ion Sancho:
(FLA AG subpoenas the companies)
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/legalissues/story/0,10801,110192,00.html
http://www.tbo.com/news/politics/MGBKSY8W8LE.html
(info & discussion)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2183630

Utah county clerk fights back!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x419226

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More resources for American Revolution II:

www.votersunite.org (MythBreakers - easy primer on electronic voting--one of the myths is that HAVA requires electronic voting; it does not.)
www.UScountvotes.org (statistical monitoring of '06 and '08 elections--they need donations)


(Activist sites with links to state activist groups or info)
www.votetrustusa.org (news of this great movement from around the country)
www.votersunited.org (good general info, and state links)
www.verifiedvoting.org (great activist site)
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml (fab compendium of all election info)

www.freepress.org (devoted to election reform)
www.bradblog.com (also great, and devoted to election reform)
www.TruthIsAll.net (analysis of the 2004 election)* :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
www.votepa.us (well-organized local group of citizen activists in Pennsylvania, where important legal issues are at stake, including state's rights over election systems)
Provisions of the PA lawsuit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x423739

The Voter Confidence Resolution
http://tinyurl.com/rlnr2 (“We Do Not Consent”)
http://guvwurld.blogspot.com (GuvWurld blog main page)
http://tinyurl.com/amryg (Voter Confidence Resolution

www.debrabowen.com (Calif Senator running for Sec of State to reform election system)
www.johnbonifaz.com (running for Massachusetts Sec of State on strong election reform and antiwar platform)

*Some tributes to TruthIsAll, who is very ill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417231
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x675477

Congressional bills:

Russ Holt's HR 550 requires a real paper ballot, bans secret software in "voting machines", and has more than 170 co-sponsors, but the audit required is too weak, it promotes electronic voting and centralized power, and the secret software might be permitted to continue in the central tabulators (the bill is not clear). To sign the HR 550 petition: http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html
At lot of discussion at DU of the loopholes/pitfalls in HR 550:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x422926
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x421136
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=422967&mesg_id=422967
(Note: Senate Bill-SB 330 and House-HR704 simply require a "voter verified paper audit trail" (VVPAT), which may be best for the moment.)


Also of interest:

Michael Collins (Autorank)'s searing election reform article for New Zealand's Scoop.com
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x971363

Bob Koehler (-- four recent election reform initiatives in Ohio, predicted to win by 60/40 votes, flipped over, on election day, into 60/40 LOSSES!--the biggest flipover we've seen yet; the election theft machines and their masters are now dictating election policy! Title: "Poll Shock" 11/24/05)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col321.htm

Bob Koehler's latest: "Trust us: Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm
More Koehler:
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk

Amaryllis (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia lavish lobbying of election officials - Beverly Hilton, Aug. '05)
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

HOWARD DEAN remarks on electronic voting machines 04/06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x994507

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Throw Diebold, ES&S and ALL election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

:think: :patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: :think:

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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." --Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence

[liberal N proud]

9. I don't know, but we need to get through November before looking at 08

We must take back Congress this fall or forget about running anyone in 2008

[Minnesota Libra]

10. In a match-up between the two, I think Condi would win for sure...........

.....Clinton is still very polarizing.:argh:

[lojasmo]

11. Hillary would lose against ANYBODY. EOM

[riona]

13. That match-up

causes brain freeze. It will never happen.

[OneBlueSky]

14. I'll tell you who would LOSE . . . the American people! . . . n/t

.

[lwcon]

15. I'm starting to worry that they'll be on the same ticket

http://vastleft.blogspot.com/2006/05/should-we-pillory-hillary.html

[peaches2003]

16. Condi

Personally I think Condi is more dangerous than *. However, Hillary has too much baggage, is too divisive (people already hate or love her), and God knows even I couldn't stand her shrill shrieky voice for 4 years. She goes over well in NY (and I am originally a NYer), but she will turn off the south/midwest/indie voters. She does not 'wear' well if you have to listen to her everyday.

[saltpoint]

17. I'd like to see a Barbara Boxer candidacy. That would be great. /nt

[judy from nj]

19. I can't imagine

They would both be terrible presidents.

[Donna Zen]

20. Maybe the country would stay home?

Everyone single one of us would just put bumperstickers on our cars that said: enough.

Actually, I think the matchup would produce the largest 3rd party showing since Lincoln won.

[saberjet22]

21. Hillary

Hillary would win, and I don't even like her, but compared to Condoleeza (what a stupid name) there's no contest.

[IndianaGreen]

22. The loser: the country

The winner: Wall Street

[GymGeekAus]

23. The winner? Big business.

No doubt about it.