DEAN supporters and well-wishers only

[Skinner]

This is the official thread for Dean supporters and well-wishers to discuss his performance in today's primaries, free of disruption.

If you are not a Dean supporter or a well-wisher, please do not post in this thread. The purpose of this thread is for disruption-free discussion among Dean supporters. Any negative posts by opponents will be deleted by the moderators. We will open up separate threads where supporters of the other candidates can interact without disruption from opponents.

[onebigbadwulf]

1. Go Dean!

Special interest what?!

[dorktv]

3. Well Dean is doing fine here in AZ.

Maybe not front runner but I know we have gotten quite a few votes.

[anti-NAFTA]

2. I'm sick of the media.

On TV they make it look like Dean is completely forgotten. And you know with the way whatever the media says becomes a sulf-ffulfilling prophecy that it'll be hard for Dean to catch up. But I don't think Clinton redux and Dukakis Jr. can get very far.

[dorktv]

4. Local media likes Dean...we are the only spot for at least one channel.

[jean]

7. I'm glad Dean isn't the prime target right now

and have full confidence in his energy and organization! Nice to be able to fly under the radar for a little while.

No one else has his guts, drive or nerve to bring it on.

[dorktv]

11. There was a vicious article by the AP on Yahoo.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=1&u=/ap/20040204/ap_on_el_pr/democrats

[cthrumatrix]

8. ditto...the media has ruined this race....and on purpose...

[dorktv]

15. yeah...Dean is the best guy ever and they just have hit him and hit him

because they do not like their power threatened.

[caledesi]

28. I agree. Was Dean really the front-runner? Hmmm..

I think the press "pumped" him up and all you heard was Dean - The front runner. I think they purposely orchestrated this so that the other Dem candidates would attack him mercifully - and they did.

Then by the time Iowa and NH rolled around....big surprise Dean didn't win.

Then of course we have the "I have a scream" thingy. I watched that video and thought "what's the big deal?" Well, they made it into a big deal.

I am a big Dean supporter, but am very disappointed as to what has occurred.

[Cascadian]

78. I don't think I have ever been more disgusted with the media...

than I have been in the past year and their treatment of Dean intensified that anger. I would like to be optimistic about the Democrats' chances in November. Sure Kerry is finally attacking Bush on the stump speeches. Dean was the one candidate that stood up to Bush. Kerry just "took" Dean's tactics. I fear that if Dean ever does withdraw, it will be politics as usual. Kerry will go back to the usual rhetoric and could end up giving Bush four more years to rape and pillage the country and the world.


John

[slinkerwink]

5. go dean!

[Jerseycoa]

6. Best of luck, guys

:toast:

[slinkerwink]

9. thanks!

[Duncan Grant]

23. Thanks a million!

:toast:

[Skip Intro]

10. A toast to Dean

:toast:

:D

[Mass_Liberal]

22. I'll raise a glass to that

:toast:

[Straight Shooter]

12. Keep on keepin' on, Dr. Dean

We're going to turn this thing around.

Thank you, thank you, thank you to all who voted for Howard Dean, the man who is giving the people back their voice, and the man to give them their country back!

:toast:

[CabalBuster]

13. Our man still leads in delegates, that's a fact ignored by the Media

It is so obvious that they (the media) have created this aura of electability to influence the primaries.
If the media based its electability analysis based on delegates, which surprise, suprise, are the ones electing the democratic candidate, Dean will clearly be the front runner, not Forbes-Kerry.

[Anwen]

14. Come on Dean!!!

I think I'm going to watch a long movie tonight, and check out the final results tomorrow :) I can't stand watching the news anymore. They were just announcing Edwards victory in S.C. but instead of talking about Edwards, the subject quickly turned to Kerry the Great and how it was really a victory for him. Blah. I'm hoping for an upset in the western states, or at least some strong seconds for Dean. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed and thinking happy thoughts.

GO DEAN!!! :D

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Best of luck to Dr. Dean

and all his faithful supporters! :toast:

[cthrumatrix]

17. As a Dean supporter the issue about Dieblod voting discrepency needs

to be addressed...how can Dielbold machines have Kerry ahead by 15% and hand ballots have Kerry beating Dean by 1%...

this whole media ambush and this is "fishy"......

[dorktv]

19. Nor do I think that the polls really reflected reality.

How can a man go from double digit leads to losing double digitaltily?

[cthrumatrix]

24. answer...he can't...Zogby had him closing fast...that day they said it was

a "dead heat"...this whole set-up smells like repug or "powers that be" tampering...

[dorktv]

27. It just does not make sense. Now I could see losing a few points

but not 15 in a week. Not unless the guy was revealed to snort coke and drive or something.

[cthrumatrix]

32. I want answers to all the unusual activity against dean...starting with

the early December Osama mult-state Osama Ad...which to this day has not been clarified as to who funded it.

I'd like to know how others can say the robo calling to Dean voters was right in Iowa...

I'd like to know how the NH Diebold electronic counts had Kerry winning in counties by 15%..vs paper hand counted ballots have Dean only down by 1%.

All of this creates "mo"..creates an image of the candidate and Dean got "smeared".

Here we have the best candidate going tonight and he has his hands tied in 6 states ...due to lack of funds...this is not right.

[dorktv]

36. how do we go about getting the truth?

[jansu]

49. Research and Post It

We need to do the work ourselves and then share it with others. I also write the media when they report falsely about things. If enough of us do it, they will sometimes correct it. They received so many e-mails about the Dean Scream, that they had to report the truth about it. No where near the 1000 times they did the first report, but it was a good one scored for us! Give the links, if you can.

[DustMolecule]

18. Go Dean!!!!

Just keep saying YOUR message loud and clear - be yourself, honest and straightforward. That's what got you all the grassroots support in the first place. The good people of America are tired of what the media is feeding us (on all fronts) and we won't listen to what the media has to say about 'picking our candidate' for us - as long as we have a 'sweeter, better song to listen to'- you've been doing that/keep doing that.

I live in an EXTREMELY repub area. (To make a long true story short, I'll say it this way) The kids at the local elementary school took a 'school poll' today - this at a place that just a year ago you couldn't speak an 'off' word about * w/o being a social outcast - and all the kids were saying DEAN - not Bush, not Kerry - DEAN. And where do they get this from? Their parents, of course!!! :)

So, you're support is out here Mr. Dean. Just stay on message and always always 'take the high road'. It's a winning course.

[Democrats unite]

20. I have come a long way on how I feel about Dean

Dean has done a great job in how some things have got treated in this primary. The media whores tried but could not silence Dean or his supporters, I'd be glad to drink a beer with anyone of you.

[MODemocrat]

50. Thanks so much for those kind words

Dean supporters are loyal to him because we truly believe in him.
Even if he doesn't get as far as we had hoped, we will still have the satisfaction of knowing that he was very instrumental in keeping people interested. Personally, I like his campaign so much, I'd love to meet him in person just to talk to him on a one on one basis. He has really fired me up. :beer: :thumbsup: :hi:

[HuckleB]

21. Here's to hope.

If Dean picks up some decent delegates today, we can push through big time on Saturday, and the race will be on after that.

It's not over. No way.

[cthrumatrix]

25. FWIW...NM was only anticipating 50,000 voters...and Dean already has a

large number of ballots in...I hope he sticks it to them.

Do we know if there are Diebold machines being used out there?

[creativelcro]

92. Tons of touchscreen machines and optical in NM

Check
http://www.electionline.org for all the info you need.


http://www.electionline.org/interactiveMap_result.jsp?state=NM&stateText=New%20Mexico&topicText=Voting%20System%20Used&topic_string=22:votingsystemtypemain

[KoKo]

26. Go Dean! Hang your butt in there.......You can do it! You can! n/t

[MuseRider]

29. Hang in there and good luck!

We may have our differences but we need every last one of these guys out there leading the way against Bush*.

[jansu]

30. Who does the White House really want to run against?

They keep saying that they want to run against Dean and would hate to run against Kerry. Have they ever lied about anything? Why would any Democrat believe them now?

I question the primary results. I just do not see how Dean could lose 30 points in such a short time, and Kerry gain so much in that same time. The exit poll numbers showed them head to head. An interesting thread, (under GD2004Primary, check it out) about the optical readers giving Kerry 15% over Dean and the hand count ones giving Kerry 1.5% over Dean. Hmmmm. Can anyone say Florida, again?

I keep telling everyone to Vote your Choice, Not the Polls!

It is actually in the Democrats interest to keep the debates going, the primary's with as many candidates as possible. We are getting our message across to the American people and bringing many people into the voting process, and many Republicans are coming over. 15% in NH Republican Primary did not vote for Bush and a majority of them wrote in one of our Democrat's name. Good news! If our candidates start dropping out, this will stop.

I believe that the media wants it to stop, because it is making them spend a lot of money covering all of these.

Also, all the delegates that a candidate gets, helps them to be in the process at the Convention, of the party platform and making the choice for whom the Vice President will be. This is an important part of the whole process.

Don't stop the process! Keep on voting your choice! Tell people from the other candidates supporters to keep it going! Encourage them!

[eyeswideopened]

35. They Want Kerry

Can't you tell?

[jansu]

39. We agree!

That was one of the points to my message. If liars tell you one thing, most thinking people would do exactly the opposite of what they tell you! Electability is a code word, for someone that the powers that be want to be the winner!

[MrSlayer]

31. Good Luck to the Doctor and his supporters.

What the media has done to kill his campaign is atrocious. Best of Luck.

[spooky3]

33. We would not be as strong as we are without Howard Dean.

He turned the tide away from Bush, despite all odds against him. Thanks for your courage and strength, Dean and your supporters!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

34. I'm amazed at how much even DU turned against Dean

I went wawy for Christmas break and this place solidly behind him. I got back in mid-January (I only have internet at college) and everyone was bashing him just prior to the primaries.

Then, we were treated to an endless barrage of "Dean is Arrogant" threads until Kerry pulled ahead in New Hampshire. Now, just like the media, people here pretend he doesn't exist

Right on cue for terry mcaulliffe. can't wait until Mr. IWR and the DLC repeat the glorious success of Novemebr 2002 this fall

The media will eat Kerry alive, and since he's a wishy-washy flip-flopper, he won't be able to hold up against it

I thought people here weren't so susceptible to media blitzes, but I it looks like I' was wrong. the media's unprecedented attack on the good doctor did it''s job. or maybe the DLC just infiltrated the web that built Dean's campaign

I don't know why I keep letting myself get excited by politics. The party elite always win in the end.

as I said as the Iowa results came in,

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"
--John Lydon

[dorktv]

37. well all I can do is...

:hug:

[Ripley]

38. Yeah, a lot of us Dean supporters left this place.

It got so bad with the disruptors being allowed to go nuts....many of us just quit coming to DU. And many people actually left for good, never to return. I'm here occasionally and noticed there is never as much venom against Kerry or Clark as there was and still is towards Dean. The same old lies and rumors keep getting recirculated.

The weak-spined who have left the Dean camp already for Kerry will probably regret that decision come November.

[jansu]

40. Where do we go?

If we are going to do some good for this country, I think we have to still show up here and keep telling the truth! But, having said that, where do we go? Let me know, I do want to help.

[cthrumatrix]

41. the Dr has a plan..and I'm with him to change this country....alot can

happen...imagine Kerry and Edwards going at it..two insiders who do not have the results as delivered by Dr Dean....

we will know by march 2nd

[MoonAndSun]

47. I don't DU as much as I used to, I still go to LBN for the latest stuff,

but I do not post as much as I did before. Any good thing that was said in Dean's favor was blasted to kingdomcom. I will not forgive or forget certain Dean bashers for their nastiness.

I will stick with The Doctor until the end.

[shanti]

66. dean isn't an insider

THAT is why they hate him, and also why i love him!

GO DEAN!!!!

[David Zephyr]

42. Dr. Dean's Candidacy is Alive, Vibrant & Just Beginning.

This weekend thing will begin to turn our way, just watch.

Go Dr. Dean! :toast:

[shanti]

68. yes!

just wait until he comes west - dean will take california!

[BlueEyedSon]

43. I Love Dean

"89% of my donations came from people like you. When I get to the White House, the only people I will owe something to is YOU."

(ok, paraphrased)

[Lori Price CLG]

That is awesome...

That comment of Dr. Dean's is amazing... thanks for sharing it!

-Lori Price

[Abigail147]

44. All of these states are not huge population centers.

John Edward's win is a good thing for us breaking the momentum for Kerry. Now the other boys can take some hits. Did we expect to win Missouri, home of Gephardt and Ascroft? Or places that elected Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms year after year?

The media will not go after them like they did Dean because they have not said they will break up the media conglomerates like Dean has said. They are products of the media building them up while tearing Dean down and if they are nominated, it becomes a matter of who offers the corporations more -- Republicans or Democrats.

[xultar]

45. Dean is 3rd in MO! Congratulations! n/t

:party:

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[WonderGrunion]

48. Regardless of tonight...

I'm still fighting hard for Dean this Sunday in Maine. Wish us (and the good Doctor) luck.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

51. the big danger

in the exodus of support from dean to kerry is that by giving up on dean, the political jellyfish allowed the media and the GOP to define dean as unelectable. Instead of fighting back, these people were like "uh-oh! we gotta lose this guy!"

if they allow the media to define the race for them so much, how do they expect to combat rove and his media orcs when the general election begins. we've already seen it with the botox stuff. the media will pick trivial issues with kerry to make him look like an insincere goof.

and that's not even taking into consideration the 'massachusetts liberal' mantra they're going to throw at him endlessly. if I were kerry, i'd be doing very talk show on earth right now to define myself. half of the reason that bush is down right now is because voters are getting the democratic message from democrats, instead of having our positions explained by hannity and co. for a change

that will change once the nomination is secured. media coverage of our side will dry up and we'll be left with the cable whores telling what lib'ruls think.

kerry won't know what hit him. he doesn't excite the base and he doesn't have a grassroots or internet organization behind him. come november, a lot of the peole who abandoned dean are going to have massive buyers remorse as kerry fumbles himself into a McAulliffe Special and repeats Nov 20002 all over again

[cthrumatrix]

52. a Dean win in New Mexico (?) or Washington and 2nd in Mich gets' him

ready for March 2nd....

[mopinko]

53. we can still vote in the money primary.

even a few bucks right now would send a powerful message.
https://secure2.convio.net/dfa/site/Donation?ACTION=SHOW_DONATION_OPTIONS&CAMPAIGN_ID=3405

i still believe. i plan to be out on saturday. i did up a sign, and plan to make up extras to pass out. i also just made a new dean button.


you can see the sign and the bumperstickers at
http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=115896457

[calimary]

55. I'm holding on. California has yet to speak.

THEN we'll see.

[cthrumatrix]

58. kerry and edwards split the vote as insider and Dean has a chance

[Mass_Liberal]

54. All about

NEW MEXICO!!!! If we win even one state it exceeds expectations. ALL ABOUT NEW MEXICO!!!!!!!!

COME ON HOWARD!!!!!!!YEEEEARRRRRRGGHHHH!!!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[cthrumatrix]

56. he's tied for first with Kerry in NM....27% each.....let's go Dr.

[mvd]

57. Still a lot of big states left

I'm worried, but things are not over. We saw how quickly Dean dropped from front-runner status - he could surge ahead as anything can happen in politics. I feel that the way everyone has been against him, he's really hung in there.

[cthrumatrix]

60. if he get's Mich and New Mexico..and gets $$$ he can do some damage

as Kerry and Edwards beat each other up

[NashVegas]

59. Great Caller on C-Span Right Now

paraphrasing: Dean painted a masterpiece and everyone else signed their names on it.

[cthrumatrix]

61. perfect analogy..they stole his message..and the media/DNC has

slammed him from Iowa on....

[Guaranteed]

64. Yup...John Kerry now talking about the value of leadership on CNN

I want to slap him.

[Lugnut]

100. Perfect!

And so true.

[Hoppin_Mad]

62. "We've just BEGUN to fight !" On to the convention ! Donate $5 or $10 !

[Anwen]

67. Done!

Very broke but donated $10.

Onward and forward we go! :D

[wabeewoman]

63. I see the message still continuing today on CNN

Its about elect ability. Lots of people who support Dean are switching to Kerry because they bought that Kerry can win. I don't know if its too late to combat that or not. I noticed it a couple weeks ago and it had continued unabated. Of course, CNN tied Deans fall to Gore's endorsement-aggghh! Dean is a smart man. He just sent out a letter saying he took a look at his campaign to see what he could/should fix and I believe he still has a chance. But he does need to turn this elect ability issue around and hit it hard. I'm in Washington and am going to Meet-up tomorrow and the caucus on Saturday. Lets all keep the faith!

[Guaranteed]

70. Yes, he does. He should have addressed it from day one.

He's ignored it, and I'm pissed at him for that. He needs to hurry up and talk about why Kerry is NOT electable, NOW, goddammit, instead of just going and calling him a Republican.

[Anwen]

72. I totally agree

The reason people aren't voting for him is simply because he's been dubbed "unelectable." He should have addressed this immediately instead of letting it snowball. It has done immense damage to his campaign thus far. I hoe he makes a move to counteract this, ASAP!

[dansolo]

65. Wins for Edwards can be good for Dean (and us)

Dean has gotten along pretty well with Edwards. If Edwards gets the nomination, he may be more willing to listen to Dean in terms of platform. If Edwards will be willing to carry the mantle of change, I will gladly support him. He might even offer a cabinet post to Dean. Dean will only be marginalized if Kerry is the nominee.

[Anwen]

69. Oh Jeez...I can't watch!

Please pull through in New Mexico Dr. Dean! Please!!

[Lori Price CLG]

71. Keep on fighting, Dr. Dean!!!

I will say from the outset, since Lieberman has exited the stage, I like ALL of the democratic candidates.

But, I will NEVER FORGIVE OR FORGET the media's Reichwing coup against Dr. Dean since he vowed to break up the media monopolies and stated that Bush may have known about the 9-11 terrorist attacks in advance.

Please keep on fighting for us.

Cheers,
Lori Price

[cthrumatrix]

73. i remember when he said that on Tweety's show...and the 'hit' went out

there is no doubt in my mind...so much for democracy in america

[Egnever]

76. You know this was exactly the turning point

When he sat on Mathews show and said he would break up the media conglomerates they have been doing everything they can to tear him down.

I sincerely believe that was the turning point. My jaw droped when he said it cause I knew he had just signed his death warrent. But at the same time my respect for him gained another few notches.

[milkyway]

74. Trippi just made a good point on MSNBC about Kerry. Kerry does not

want a two-man race with any of the other candidates, where the distinctions between candidates will become clear. The inference is that Kerry does well in a crowded field because he is the blandest, least offensive candidate.

[NashVegas]

75. He's Right

..

[Lugnut]

101. Exactly!

He does not inspire me.

[shivaji]

77. If Dean loses nomination, I will probably go Green party

Because I am afraid there will be no REAL change in Washington with the old time politicians. Clark is too unproven as a democrat. I may consider voting for Edwards depending on his positions post-convention.

[mbee]

83. I've always voted a straight Democratic ticket, but I just can't go for

the Kerry fix by the DLC! It is so wrong!

[GalleryGod]

106. Being A Member of a Political Party takes Discipline-

Large portions of which you apparently lack:think:

It is truly sad to see such:tinfoilhat: reactions from fellow alleged-Dem's.

Oh, well- a sincere, "Best of luck" to you.


Your Man in the Faculty Lounge, crunchin' the overnights for Class:donut: ,

:smoke: G.G.:smoke:

[LiberalTexan]

79. I donated to Dean's campaign this weekend

and I would DO IT AGAIN-- and probably will! Lord knows John Kerry won't see a penny of my money. I might as well put it to a person that has earned my respect. What a shame if America never knows what kind of person we could have put in the White House.

Does anyone else feel like the real winner is Bush right about now?

I'm normally NOT this depressing.....

[Egnever]

80. According to msnbc

Kerry 179
Dean 114
Edwards 84
Clark 35
Lieberman 0
Sharpton 1
Kucinich 0
Other 1
Gephardt 0


Delgates to date.

This thing aint over yet!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3762588/

[xxqqqzme]

81. I'm writing Michigan letters 2nite

MeetUp is 2morrow - the DR is going to take CA. I really, really wanted 2 get involved in politics again...if the DLC takes control of the Nov election, the democratic party is DOA.

My vote is promised to Howard Dean - the People Powered!

[GalleryGod]

107. KEEP the Faith, Friend!

:hi: :bounce: :evilgrin:

[Elidor]

82. Well, that does it - I'm voting for Dean

I was hoping to vote my conscience, and go with Dennis, but Dean is needing all the votes he can get, so he gets mine in Tennessee. I have little stomach for those who voted for the IWR. Dean is my best bet of keeping them down. Go Dean! I'm truly sorry I won't be voting for Kucinich. I admire him deeply, and he deserves a better showing.

[Guaranteed]

89. Right on...

I agree with you wholeheartedly, in particular about Kucinich. He takes the worst of the abuse, and he's a saint to keep fighting.

[NashVegas]

93. *smooches*

thanks. We'll be two Tennesseans voting for Dean.

[xultar]

84. OK, Time to bombard the media with an email campaign.

Please PM me tomorrow. I will send you the email addys I have to the media outlets.

What is this What happened to Howard Dean bullshit.

I think if the Clark and Dean camps combine to assualt the media.
They just may get a fucking clue.

I hate FUCK FACE BLITZER. I hate Judy Woodrip.

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[Anwen]

85. I'm on board with that!!

If enough people write to them, they will (SHOULD) listen.

[Leilani]

86. Hang in there Dean Supporters

The media hates Dean & Clark.

But their supporters make up for it with heart.

[lapauvre]

87. In SC, voted for Dean today

I will not give up. Hope none of you do either. I will keep reading your posts and do my best to do anything that will do any good.

Most of all, I just want to say to Howard Dean, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And don't give up.

You have it right, Howard Dean. The others will use every kind of weed killer and steam roller, and agent orange if need be, to kill the grass roots you have started growing. We refuse to die. We refuse to go back to expecting nothing but dry dirt for nourishment, and bull crap for information. We are not going to give up the hope.

[wabeewoman]

88. Another point...

OK I'm a diehard Dean fan so what I say MAY not be accurate but it seems to me that we are getting the candidate in Kerry that the insiders want. I really don't think he will change the status quo (altho he will be light years better than bush). The people in power were very afraid of Howard Dean and even the people at DU bought the media hype while knowing the media is in bush's pocket. It was pretty amazing to watch. I'm not giving up on Dean but do know it is a very uphill battle. Since we have no control of the media, we can't control the message and the media played into the democrats fears of not having an electable candidate. So what we will get will be better than bush but no where near the return of America to the people that we would get with Howard Dean.

[Name removed]

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[NashVegas]

99. This Doesn't Surprise Me in the Least

And Sharpton was all over Jesse Jackson Jr. for supporting Dean.

What a pig.

[dawn]

91. Keep on going, Dean.

He will do well in California and New York, for sure.

[candy331]

98. Still with Dean

Signed on with him till either he goes to the White House or his house. I will keep hope alive that this country will be saved from itself in spite of it's stupidity. Stay away from the TV folks it can be very depressing to you. Go to Deans blog and read mostly from there and stay away from so many negative articles they are designed to make you lose hope and give up the fight as you see most have done and are now voting for Kerry the selected candidate. Remember too that this is not just about Dean it is a movement about change and if Dean is gone the movement can still move on. People who object to Dean see only in short term to get rid of Bush but fail to see in the long term that Bush still may win and if not the selected Democrat will give them nothing different than Bush. The republicans will still hold congress if the selected Dem win and he will not have the grassroots support to start changes in congress.

Also,people stop beating yourself up over the scream and the media.I had hopes that people were ready for change but unfortunately they are not and even if so the media and the higher ups in the party have too much riding on things saying the same to allow any changes. Change is downright dirty and nasty and the majority of folks are afraid of change. "Keep Hope Alive" because change will and must come, the when and how remains to be seen........................

[slinkerwink]

94. we're still in this fight, baby!

[BootinUp]

95. I'm glad Dean is staying in the race

We need him to keep bringing up the outsider issues, he is having a powerful effect on the whole race still. Hang in there Dean Supporters.

Us outsiders need to stick together now.

[slinkerwink]

96. thanks! I'm happy Clark won OK

[windansea]

97. congrats fellow warriors!!

keep fighting!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

102. If Dean loses, I go 3rd party

I'm sick of being marginailized and treated like an extremist fringe nut for wanting candidates to have progressive positions.

The DLC/Kerry crowd runs away from the left and accepts the flawed argument that the nation is a bunch of wingnuts who don't want honest government, higher wages, no preemptive wars, an end to crooked tax schemes for the rich, cleaner ai, cleaner water, higher labor standards, fair trade, an end to big media monopolies, or civil rights

The party elite and entrenched powers sold us down the river on all of these.

Quite frankly, I'm sick of it. I honestly don't see why myself or people like me should stand by and be taken for granted year after year. I'm sick of losing when we win. I'm sick of letting the wingnut right set the terms for debate.

I've already sent a letter to Nader urging him to run. I tried to give the democrats another chance this time around, but I can't bring myself to look past the way we were demonized and cheated.

And as far as the need to get rid of Bush, that's exactly what they want us to think. "We can marginilze you and treat you like dirt and force a pro-war candidate on you nad there's nothing you can do about it. What? Do you plan on voting for Bush?"

Look at it this way:
Real change in this country won't happen until a true progressive gets nominated. If it means 4 years of Bush, so be it. We can have a fresh shot at in 2008.

Otherwise, we can look forward to centrist, corporatist so-called running again in 4 years and shutting out any kind of primary challenge from the left.

I'd rather wait 4 years then 8 until an open field is available again

[KFC]

105. Dean

Dean

[Southsideirish]

110. Dean in 2008 as an Independent. Voters will be so sick of Dean-lite

by then as all they got was "business as usual" that Mizz Hilary will be the Dem candidate.
HD might then stand a much better chance as an Indy than he ever would in the back stabbing party.

[tishaLA]

103. I'd like to celebrate Dean's candidacy

i keep saying how valuable he is, and I mean it. I hope he stays in til the convention and keeps giving hell to the party regulars.

Keep on truckin' Howard!

[liberalmike27]

104. Green For Dean

I too might have to go Green, but I'm holding hope if Dean can't stem the media induced slide, that Edwards can wrest things from Kerry. I think he is certainly more electable, just like Dean is more electable. I wish Sharpton and Kucinich would withdraw, as I think Dean would get most of their votes, but I respect them, and they should withdraw on their own timetables.

Here is a good article about the media, which I've been saying for some time has been happening since way before Iowa.

http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/media/040201_TheScream.htm

It did really intensify after Dean said that about breaking up the media, and just before Iowa they were trashing him like there was no tomorrow. Then the scream attack, which had the effect of destroying his 41 million, and now they have the nerve to accuse him of having a bad strategy, gambling and losing. Sad, really sad stuff.

I'm a meet up host in Mobile, AL, and just stick with him, we all know it is going on, pass the text of that article above around to all your members. I've been telling my group about the media for about three months now, and I think, like many of you, they are now starting to believe. Send it to everyone you know. I think so many want to cling to the free-press myth, but that has long passed. We now have a carefully controlled ministry of propaganda, and they steer the population into the narrow range of the two parties. This is very similar to what they did to Nader, though I know a lot of you Democrats won't agree. Nader was trashed, misquoted, and excluded, by the media. He and Dean both represent threats to them.

The interests of the corporate-mouthpieces are not the same as American people, and for those who still want to believe in the American Press, give it up, they are simply cow-towing to wealth, more true now than ever.

[NoPasaran]

108. It ain't over 'til I say it's over

And I say GO DEAN!

See y'all at Meetup tonight.

[KalicoKitty]

109. I love Howard Dean!

I voted for Dean via the internet in Michigan last week. The Michigan caucus is this Saturday.

[SeattleRob]

111. I'm psyched because of the Washington Causcuses on Saturday

I am happy to be supporting Howard Dean and I am looking forward to convincing others to support the doctor.

We have not yet begun to fight!