Too many Conicidences....They Make me Laugh

[Flabbergasted]

April 24th
Latest bin Laden tape urges taking fight to Sudan

http://www.sj-r.com/sections/news/stories/84349.asp



May 9th
US Calls for Urgent UN Security Council Action on Darfur

http://voanews.com/english/2006-05-09-voa77.cfm


How's that for Bush Foresight?

[MadMaddie]

1. The CIA is in such a friggen mess.....even if they suspected

that Bin Laden was really going to Sudan...* wouldn't have believed them...

[Flabbergasted]

3. You missed the point.

[The Magistrate]

5. Then What Is The Point, Sir?

[Flabbergasted]

6. Bin Laden calls for a "holy war" in sudan a few weeks before the US

calls for a "peacekeeping" force. Its a total joke.

[The Magistrate]

7. What Do You Find Humorous, Sir?

There has been diplomatic pressure aimed at a U.N. force there for many months, and for good cause. The Khartoum regime is a hard-line fundamentalist one, one of the first wave of such, and for a while sheltered Bin Laden.

[Flabbergasted]

9. The cause is not the point for the US "diplomatic" pressure so to speak

It is always underlying motivation. Sudan has a decent oil reserve, is well situated in North Africa and is totally out of American hands. I thinks its not coincidental that a "Bin Laden Tape" comes out advocating for fighting several weeks before the US "OFFICIALLY" asks for a peacekeeping force.

BTW from the first point I read the April Bin Laden transcript I've been waiting for the Sudan connection.

[The Magistrate]

11. You Will Need To Be More Clear, Sir, If You Mean To Communicate

Is it your view that the Bin Laden statement was made on the order of the U.S., or that it was wholly contrived by the U.s. without reference to the fellow at all?

[Flabbergasted]

12. See Statement 11. The tape was "authenticated" withing a few hours of

being aired on Al Jz just like every other tape. I don't buy that for a second.

[The Magistrate]

13. With All Due Respect, Sir

That is not an answer to either question posed.

[Flabbergasted]

15. Ok, plain english, yes Bin Laden tape is fake designed for a specific

US sanctioned purpose...

[The Magistrate]

17. Plain English Is Always Preferable, Sir

It lets all concerned know just where everybody stands.

Now that you are on record as maintaining it was concocted by the U.S. for some specific purpose, would you care to state what you believe that purpose is, and how you believe the thing was contrived?

[Flabbergasted]

18. Why would it be difficult for a government in control of the media and

a multi-billion dollar budget. The CIA authenticated the tape. Do you trust them?...I don't...Why Would I...I can also say that Elvis is alive and doing show tunes in China. The Rumor spreads far enough.....

[The Magistrate]

19. The Purpose, Sir: What Is The Purpose?

There does not seem any compelling resason to doubt the statement was made, though there are certainly some who doubt it, nor does there seem any compelling reason to view the statement as not reflecting a jihadist view of the situation in Sudan.

What remains unc;ear is what you believe was the purpose of the U.S. government in doing this, and also, by what means the deed was contrived.

[Flabbergasted]

20. Number one oil supply. Number 2 Strategic location in Northern Africa...

In addition if you view the Axis of Evil all are coutries out of the direct conrol of the US and West. Venezuela has since fallen into this category and we've worked hard to retain India another important focal point. Its a matter of control.

[The Magistrate]

21. These Are Simple Facts, Sir

They are not a purpose. To make them shed light on any purpose, you must supply a theory that makes them relevant to a particular design that is served by the imposture you say you believe to be the case in this matter.

[Flabbergasted]

22. Facts form very convenient reasoning.....Have you ever played chess...?

A pawn can be lethal. And so the chess game goes on...

[The Magistrate]

23. Frequently, Sir, But You Are Mistaking Categories

A fact is not a lesser thing than a theory: a theory is a principle of organization that gives meaning to facts. It is the latter you are failing to supply. The Sudan is vast tract of arid land. It is riven by longstanding ethnic hostilities and religious hostilities, many rooted in different means of getting a living. These, too, are facts, and of themselves, mean no more or less than those you have adduced, because they are stated independently of any clear theory that would accord them signifigance.

You would best serve your case here by resorting again to plain English, and simply stating for what purpose you believe this thing you say you believe is a contrivance was executed.

[Flabbergasted]

24. I think the theory and reality of globalization is more or less the key..

I don't see this as a huge leap of logic....Globalization is a coming and current reality...The lord and master of Bush/Cheney are """Global""" Corporations.

To make the "facts" reality you take the current situation and plan several moves ahead....

[The Magistrate]

25. Again, Sir, This Communicates Nothing

What purpose do you believe this thing you believe to be a contrivance was executed to serve?

[Flabbergasted]

26. Could you interpret this for me?

"What purpose do you believe this thing you believe to be a contrivance was executed to serve?"

[The Magistrate]

27. Soon Enough, Sir

It will be hard to avoid the conclusion you do not state the purpose plainly because you fear the sound it would have in the ears of others.

[Flabbergasted]

28. Once again you are not being plain sir?

[The Magistrate]

29. You Know, Sir

They do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery....

But mechanical imitation will gain you no points.

You have stated you believe something was contrived to serve a purpose. Why do you not simply state this purpose you believe it was contrived to serve, plainly?

[Flabbergasted]

30. You didn't explain what you meant by this:

"What purpose do you believe this thing you believe to be a contrivance was executed to serve"...

and then...


"Soon Enough, Sir."


I don't know where you want me to go with the argument?



BTW I really did answer the above question...but I don't understand what you meant by "Soon enough, Sir."

[The Magistrate]

31. You Really Must Keep Up Your Own End, Sir

The sport can hardly continue otherwise....

"I'm going home now. Somebody bring me some frogs and some bourbon."

[Flabbergasted]

32. Ok If you think that "Soon Enough, Sir." is a relevant reply....I guess

you are playing a different game....Have Fun...

[MadMaddie]

8. As you say coincidental....hmmmm

But I guess I was trying to make the point that....because * has completely and intentionally ignored Darfur...(when I am sure that the CIA and other agencies have been trying to warn about the danger of Al Queda and other terrorist groups taking up arms in the out of control Darfur)

he knew this was a possibility....OBL beat him to the punch once again...

[Flabbergasted]

10. See Bruce Lawrence

Bin Laden expert skeptical about latest purported bin Laden tape

by Amber Rupinta, WTDV-TV -- Durham, NC

Jan. 19, 2006

A Duke professor says he is doubtful about Thursday's audiotape from Osama bin Laden. Bruce Lawrence has just published Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama Bin Laden, a book translating bin Laden's writing. He is skeptical of Thursday's message.

"It was like a voice from the grave," Lawrence said.

He has doubts about the tape, and thinks bin Laden is dead. Lawrence recently analyzed more than 20 complete speeches and interviews of the al Qaida leader for his book. He says the new message is missing several key elements.

[TomInTib]

14. That is right on the money. bushgang sat around watching reruns

while Sudan raged.

That tape of whoever has now forced their hand.

[Flabbergasted]

16. Except that that the OBL tape also gives a convenient reasoning behind

future escalation in the region...

[FloridaPat]

2. How much oil does Sudan have?

[Flabbergasted]

4. 35th in reserves...

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2178rank.html