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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 06:56 AM
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Hilarious Doonesbury Push/Bush Poll (Worst President Ever?)
http://cgi.doonesbury.com/cgi-bin/view_poll.cgi

Even the lovahs hate him!

In a recent Rolling Stone cover story historian Sean Wilentz calls the presidency of George W. Bush a "profile in fairly steady disillusionment" that "appears headed for colossal historical disgrace." According to Wilentz, many historians wonder if Bush will, in fact "be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history."

Is Dubya the worst president ever?

  • Yes. How has he disappointed us? Let us count the ways: Squandered budget surplus and massive ramp-up of debt, politicizing of 9/11 and ill-conceived war, bungled hurricane reaction and Valerie Plame affair, asserting limitless wartime powers and flagrant disregard for federal laws on surveillance and torture, and, and, and...
  • No, second worst. Worst is Buchanan, who wanted to give the South a pass. A divider, not a uniter, if he'd had his way you'd now be living in one of the Two Countries Formerly Known as the United States of America. There but for the grace of our best president go we.
  • No, third worst. Second worst is Hoover. He claimed prosperity was just around the corner, but it turned out to be the Stock Market Crash and Great Depression. They may have named the classic sucking machine a Hoover, but it took our second best president to clean up after him.


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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:01 AM
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1. Heh! Building a better conventional wisdom..."
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:03 AM
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2. Washington Journal this AM
had many Bush voters who expressed dismay with his presidency, but then again there are the ever-compliant pez dispensers who continue to support him.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:10 AM
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3. Scary to think what these people would think a bad President
would be like if they think Bush is great.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:15 AM
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4. We know already- Clenis
That's what they "think" is a bad prez.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 09:49 AM
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9. I don't think his supporters "support" him any more - they
just don't want to admit they were so wrong so they are silent - when before they were real loudmouths. You just don't hear that vocal stuff any more. At least not around here.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:17 AM
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5. Well, there is an argument that says...
...Hoover was facing problems on a global scale that he was not in a position to rectify. FDR's genius was in giving people hope by force of conviction and personality. Hoover lacked these qualities and, while not a great president, he certainly wasn't a terrible one.

Division of the union might not have been such a disaster either. The two resulting countries may have had a bit more humility than the single Union has demonstrated throughout it's history. Of course, this view must be tempered by the thought that slavery would have lasted a lot longer than it did. Even so, I don't know if Buchanan was crappy enough to be the worst.

No, I think Bushie definitely wins this one. He is such a small man with such big delusions that his only talent is the ability to do harm. The longer he is in power, the more harm he will do.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:57 AM
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7. Division of the union may be a good idea today.
We seem to have 30% to 40% of the population that have a different reality than the other 60% of the population. In my opinion we must "get rid" of this group or change them. Since I'm not an advocate of violence or of forced "re-education" through chemical or other means, my only other choice is to give them their own country. In their world we would take over a small country and ship them all there. But that would be wrong in our world, so we can't do that. I say give them 40% of the land mass of the US. Make sure it has about 40% of the coastal area, the south would be the best area. Say draw a line from the northern boarder of GA or SC straight across the US to the pacific and make the area south of that line, "Christian America". It could be a theocracy; perfect for them and a solution for the rest of us. The US of course would pay for the relocation of the population wanting to exit either country and re-settle in their new (or old) country.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 10:10 AM
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10. Buchanan actually conspired with the Supreme Court on Dredd Scott.
Edited on Sun May-07-06 10:10 AM by Zynx
He not only did nothing and provided no leadership when it was needed, but he made things worse by letting the Supreme Court decide the issue. He is largely to blame for the Civil War which was the worst event in our nation's history bar none.
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:48 AM
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6. Heh, good, though I wouldn't rate Hoover like that
Herbert Hoover wasn't a bad President, he was just spectacularly unlucky. Remember, the stock market crash took place barely after Hoover had sworn the Oval Office Oath, and he was blindsided by it. Coolidge and Harding were maybe more responsible. Harding wasn't great, but upon examining other aspects of his Presidency and his general management, he wasn't bad. I'd say the worst (excluding *, who hasn't yet plumbed his depths) are probably Buchanan, Woodrow Wilson, Nixon, Grant (corrupt administration), Johnson and Harding, sorta roughly in that order. I would not be surprised if George W. soon finds himself near the top of that list-- hard to estimate the number of places in which he's messed up royally.

Best are George Washington at #1 (though Washington is a special case above everyone else-- he was more than a President, he was *the* founder of the nation in many respects, not just as Chief Executive but as general and Constitution supporter, and as one who refused power!). Second-best I'd say is either Lincoln or Jefferson, despite their detractors-- for their time they were champions of liberal ideals, and Jefferson (besides doubling US territory with the Louisiana Purchase and sending Lewis and Clark, very important acts), and Jefferson of course also did important things as a Founding Father so he's more than a President alone. Third I'd say is maybe James Madison for his work on the Constitution, fourth I'd say is JFK for the moon landing alone (recent President with tremendous impact), fifth, maybe, ironically, Eisenhower for being about the only President of the century to keep us totally our of debt over his entire Presidency (Clinton gets a special mention since he inherited a mess from George HW Bush), warning us against the military-industrial complex, maintaining prosperity, providing the first steps in enforcing civil rights and enabling the same through his judicial picks, and generally doing a strong job all around. Eisenhower was officially a Republican but he made it clear he was going either way, in his policies he was more like today's Democrats. Remember, he was also one of the few Presidents to keep the US totally out of needless military engagements since the late 1940's. It's a bit early for Bill Clinton, but I sense in retrospect he'll rank highly, if not in the Top 5.

FDR? Sorry to say, because I used to be a big fan and would have put him at #3, but some of my own Dem friends have made me think twice. FDR was central not only to the Japanese internment camps but also in the massive deportation of Mexican-American citizens in the 1930's, one of the ugliest incidents in our country's history in which thousands upon thousands of Mexicans died in what we can only call a sort of ethnic cleansing. One of my Polish friends also soured me on him-- apparently, FDR had full knowledge of the Russian Katyn Massacre of the Poles in around 1943, but he did not even censure Stalin for it despite his position of power. I'm sorry, but this sounds too much like a cop-out and a sell-out to me. It was also FDR who initially formulated the policy that the US would intervene to essentially regulate the supply of Mideast oil, although I doubt he could have imagined that ^ would foul it up so much. I still lean quite favorably to FDR overall, but I've soured on him based on what I've learned. He wasn't quite as determined the defender of human rights as I used to believe.
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Pierre Trudeau Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 08:03 AM
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8. connecting JFK with moon landing?

OK I'd credit Kennedy for boosting the space program in general, but, um, the moon landing didn't actually happen until two presidents later.

And, as a Canadian, I would object to including Madison as a great president. I mean, he was the guy who invaded us. Remember? That war you lost?

I agree with Jefferson and Eisenhower though. Also I think TR was a great prez, he seems under-appreciated these days.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 10:52 AM
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11. a nice poll that avoids reality..
when Nixon was elected..people thought he would be the worst, when Reagan was elected..people thought he was worst, when Bush was elected..he set a new low standard, now his son is President..but is there still another low standard to be set? :scared:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 11:40 AM
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12. Yipes! Thanks for ruining my day!
You are the ultimate pessimist - a person after my own heart. :P

I think it's called the Peter Principle, or is it the H.L. Menecken Principle?

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