I'm donating to the DCCC because a flawed democratic majority

[LynneSin]

is still better than a republican majority.

I made my donation in honor of all of you who stick your noses up in the air because there is imperfection in our party. You make me fight even harder because our country CANNOT survive another 2 years with republicans controlling the house, senate and white house.

BTW, no one called me for the donation - I figured someone had to start the trend if we want to fight back against the Bush regime. Even the most conservative democrat will still give us the majority which will put great people like Conyers & Waxman in committee seats and Nancy Pelosi NOT Dennis Hassert as the speaker.

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. Ummmm...

Spell check is your friend...:rofl: I kid...I kid....

K and R I admire your thought process. :hug:

[LynneSin]

3. See, even I'm inperfect - more the reason to donate to the DCCC

:D

[ScreamingMeemie]

6. Which is why you are a cherished friend.

:)

[LynneSin]

7. You're inperfect just like me

:pals:

[depakid]

33. delete- wrong spot

[Neil Lisst]

2. Amen!!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. K&R. Great post. (nt)

[Pirate Smile]

5. Woo Hoo for common sense and perspective.

:applause:

[IndianaGreen]

8. I donate to the candidate of my choice

and if I were to donate money to an organization, I would rather donate to someone like MoveOn that takes Bush head on than one that would distribute funds to Bush enablers.

[LynneSin]

10. And you know what - that's fine with me :D

I've known you since the start of DU and I know sometimes we butt head over issues. But I also know that we're on the same page when it comes to the most important issue and that's getting rid of any and every elected republican including Bush.

[Talismom]

22. Thank you IndianaGreen! I think you're helping to win the party

back and that will win elections!

[Minnesota Libra]

9. I agree!! People don't understand that individuals aren't perfect.........

....and, therefore, political parties are also never perfect.:shrug: Still, a Democratic majority has ALWAYS and WILL ALWAYS be better than a republican majority.:grouphug: As the saying goes, "The worst Democrat is always better than the best republican.":bounce:

[IndyOp]

11. I donate to DNC when Howard does good, and I donate direct to candidates..

I am not giving up on the Dems, and I do want a Dem majority, and still - I am disgusted by the fact that I feel as if I have to fight the Democratic Party establishment to get decent progressive candidates considered and then have to fight the Rethugs later on.

My personal, recent experience: In Indiana, we have a great progressive candidate (Gretchen Clearwater) running against entrenched Dem (Baron Hill). The Indiana State Democratic Party would not put Gretchen's information on their website -- they had decided to support Hill and that was that. SINCE WHEN DOES THE PARTY GET TO PICK THE CANDIDATES? Well, for quite a while now, really. :puke:

This past weekend Clearwater and Hill spoke at a Democratic Party event in Brown County. Gretchen got 4 BIG rounds of applause when she spoke about getting out of Iraq; not allowing any pre-emptive war ever in future; protecting our jobs at home; and making the rich take as much responsibility for our shared community as the poor and middle class do.

Baron Hill got NO applause when he spoke about how he loved his wife, how he gets down on his knees to pray every night, and how people lied about him in the last campaign (when the GOP stole the race for Sodrel). Hill did get applause when he said he had lawyers and would fight back against anyone who told lies about him this time. BIG F'ING deal.

At the end of the event the 'hosts' announced that the only way we could win the Congressional seat in the November election was if Hill won the primary.

SINCE WHEN DOES THE PARTY GET TO PICK THE CANDIDATES? Well, for quite a while now, really. :puke:

The Dem Party establishment IS IN NEED of a few clubs upside the head! Not enough to permanently damage them, just enough to shake them out of their self-absorbed, self-deluded, masturbatory enjoyment of POWER.

[LynneSin]

13. I so agree with you

but won't it be easier to get rid of some of these bad democrats if we had a little bit of cushion in the majority? Right now the bigger fish to fry for me is the republican party.

[IndyOp]

15. We have to attend to the 'process' by which people are elected --

The more populist-driven the better the product. Right now, when the Dem Party establishment puts its arm around you and gets you into office you are BEHOLDEN to listen to their consultants ( :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: ). The Dem party consultants are LOSING elections over and over and over and still they return to lose more elections.

Of course one reason they 'lose' elections is because the G'DAMNED consultants won't pay attention to GOP THEFT of elections and give candidates stupid, stupid advice about not speaking out against election fraud because they will 'look paranoid' and give stupid, stupid advice to candidates about conceding because otherwise the GOP will call you a SORE LOSER.

According to Russ Feingold he did not announce his Resolution to Censure to other members of his Party because they would have insisted vetting it via the consultants and the consultants would have made him keep his mouth shut. The ONLY people in Congress who are getting it done for us are avoiding and ignoring the consultants.

I freakin' swear the CONSULTANTS ARE PAID GOP OPERATIVES.

When the Dem Party establishment -- like the DCCC picks candidates -- they are defending the establishment instead of assessing the will of the people and those candidates are beholdened to do what the consultants tell them to do.

Howard Dean is in a battle with Harry Reid and the DCCC, because Reid and the DCCC want more DNC money released to the DCCC. Dean says "No" because he is *not* in charge of re-electing incumbents, he is in charge of making the party people-powered and vigorous in all 50 States.

Do you remember Michael Moore saying that he looked up the re-election rates for the US Congress and the old Soviet Politburo? The US Congress has a higher rate of returns than the old Soviet Politburo did.

Congress is trapped in GROUPTHINK - the only way to break it is to get fresh blood in there and the DCCC is all about re-electing consultant-controlled incumbents.

DEMS - YES!

Incumbents - Not so much, not unless they are TRUE PROGRESSIVES, TRUE DEMOCRATS.

Giving $$$ to the DCCC is no better for the candidates than giving it directly to the candidates -- the DCCC just gives your money to the candidates they want to support. Are they better judges of who can/should win than me? Nope.

:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

12. let's hope this is a trend

[sui generis]

14. I love the way you belittle us.

It's so . . . uniting.

We ARE participating in the political process but you are grandstanding at our expense. There are at least 14 house dems we know of who are openly, blatantly and virulently anti-gay.

They won't get a dime from me, but the DCCC is certainly happy to blindly and stupidly support 14 of them to cancel out the votes of 14 pro-equality house members for a net loss of 14 votes on any of those kinds of issues, and I'm almost perfectly willing to bet those same "democrats" are happy to take away your reproductive rights too.

If the DCCC (or any other democratic organization) doesn't have standards for what a democrat should be other than just another social conservative jackass except with a D stamped on his forehead, then they don't need my money. When they can prove that they're exercising some party standards, I'll be happy to contribute, but "D" by itself is not a party standard.

We ARE democrats, and we're not playing games.

[LynneSin]

16. Perhaps the function of the DCCC is best explained here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2589215&mesg_id=2589299

So you don't like being belittled? Well neither do I. Am I bad person because I will donate to the DCCC? Does that make me anti-gay? Pro-war? Pro-Corporation? Anti-Environment? ANti-Choice? What other labels you want to tag on to me.

Here's the concept - donate to the progressive cause that fits you the best but just because I don't donate to yours and you don't donate to mine doesn't mean one is better than the other. I'm frustrated that people keep starting anti-dccc/anti-dnc/anti-dscc threads here like we're some sort of plague on society because we use this venue to make our donations.

Last time I checked it's a big tent and there is room for everyone as long as we stop fighting each other and start fighting the real enemy which is those candidates who have professed they are republicans (not those we think are republican like).

You're pissed? Good, now you know how I feel when I see these "I won't donate to such-n-such progressive/democratic/liberal group". Pisses you off doesn't it? I know how you feel!

[sui generis]

17. I'm more pissed off than you are

are not
are too
are not

give me some fucking cowbell.

:P

[LynneSin]

21. Cowbell for you anytime, anyplace, anywhere

Ultimately we're fighting for the same goals! I guess we're just all armchair quarterbacks with our own methods of how to win!

[sui generis]

25. yeah

sorry I got a little assplosive over on that other thread.

We are on the same side - even if it doesn't seem like it some days. Today I feel like bull in a trampoline shop. Need. More. Sleep. One of those days.

-sui

[Talismom]

23. That's exactly the point I was trying to make earlier!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2589215&mesg_id=2589215

[Adelante]

18. I am so with you, LynneSin

Now is when we can win. Now is when we must support the party. Once we are back in, we can make meaningful change. Losing will get us nowhere. It's pretty simple.

[bdamomma]

19. are you guys familiar with this

got this from Barbara Boxer,

President Bush and his cronies are leading our nation down a dangerous path. Their hubris led us into a war in Iraq they have no plan for ending. Their incompetence caused a catastrophic failure to provide even the most basic response to the devastation brought by Hurricane Katrina. Their greed allowed energy and environmental regulations to be literally drafted by the very industries that stand to gain the most profit. The America we believe in is at risk.

Now it's time to do something about it -- and you have been so wonderful about helping every time I ask you.

George Bush's approval ratings continue to set record lows. The latest polls show that we can elect a Democratic Senate in November. Now is the time for you to join the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and support its campaign to check the power of this President and get us back on track.

I agreed to be a Vice Chair of the DSCC because I believe in the organization's unique role in Senate elections around the country. Only the DSCC will make sure our Democratic Senate candidates have the resources they need to fight back. No other organization coordinates our national message and our limited national resources like the DSCC.

But to be successful, the DSCC relies on the support of dedicated Democrats like you and me. Join the DSCC today and you'll get all the inside information on key Senate races around the country. You'll also be a part of the nationwide campaign to elect a Democratic Senate and change the balance of power in Washington:

www.dscc.org/join/boxer

Again and again, we have seen this Administration turn its back on fundamental American values. Senate Republicans have been willing accomplices, all too ready to abdicate their responsibility to hold this administration accountable.

We saw it with the war in Iraq where Senate Republicans refuse to investigate whether or how the Bush administration distorted and misused intelligence in the drive to war. Just recently, it was revealed that the President himself directed the leaking of classified intelligence information in order to undercut administration critics. Twisting intelligence to support your political aims flies in the face of American values.

The only way to change this dangerous direction and start undoing the damage is to elect a Democratic Senate to hold this administration accountable for their actions.

Now is the time to act. Please join the DSCC today:

www.dscc.org/join/boxer

Helping our PAC for a Change is a great way to help our progressive Democratic Congressional candidates.

Helping the DSCC is a very direct way to focus in on taking back the Senate.

Thanks again for all you do to make our country all it can be!

[LynneSin]

26. Well hell, next paycheck I'll have to start with a "I gave to the DSCC"

although I've helped one of Barbara Boxer's favorite causes by giving to Emily's List and her own pac

[NJmaverick]

20. Great post I agree

I donate to the DNC for the same reason. They may not be perfect, but they are superior to who is in power now. It takes money to unseat the corrupt republicans that have entrenched themselves in Washington like a diseased tick.

[SaveElmer]

24. Right on!!!

Excellent post...I agree completely!

[Name removed]

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[LynneSin]

29. So you badmouth the DNC and have a Howard Dean quote in your sigline

hmmm.......

[lojasmo]

32. DCCC is not the DNC.

I'm sure you could have figured that out for yourself.

[KoKo]

28. Why did you need to say "those who stick their noses in the air?"

What does that have to do with your hoping to encourage DU'ers to give to the DCCC?

Like your other post you seem to want to get DU'ers fighting with each other rather than have them focus on your support for the Dem Party.

Those of us who are here do support the Dem Party or we would be "pushing up daisies." Maybe there are some trolls here that annoy you..but why keep doing these posts as if there's some group here that you want to attack. :shrug:

[lojasmo]

30. DCCC is not the DNC.

The rest of your post is nonsense.

[ccarter84]

31. Decent point

and as long as its not the impotent DNC I guess its not totally pissing your money away....I agree with the rest of your post although i'm not sure what party lieberman will technically be in if he gets re-elected

[depakid]

34. go right ahead

but I won't waste one nickle on them, so long as they cling to losing "strategies."

[pinto]

35. A Dem. Congress is the only way we will check the usurper.

I support that across the Democratic spectrum.


:thumbsup:

[skyblue]

36. Me Also.

The Republicans just had a clan meeting in my state... We have to at least make an attempt to equal what they have moneywise or they'll have more money to spend on their campaigns than we will. We may even wind up with a President Jeb Bush.

[wyldwolf]

37. I'm donating to the DCCC in honor of YOU!

[eridani]

38. I'll donate to individual candidates, thankyewverymuch. n/t