To Those Going to Vote Today

[liberalmike27]

Exit polling showed that most people in New Hampshire thought Dean's beliefs were more in line with theirs, that he had the best ideas for our country, and that he would be the best president for our country. I know that many of you now are thinking about going to the polls and voting for Kerry. I worry about Kerry because of his Skull and Bones membership, but that isn't the point. The media has convinced Americans that Kerry is more electable, fully nine months before the contest. Clinton lost the first ten primaries, and his electability was around 55-37 at this point in 1992. This issue is a red-herring, promoted by the media to get people to vote against Dean. The media does not like Dean, and their mis-characterizing of his speech between Iowa and New Hampshire was a poignant example of this, though leading up to Iowa there was clearly an incredible din of negative coverage unlike anything since Gore ran for president, which had its effect there.

People, you don't know who is more electable. I think it's Dean, the media promotes it is Kerry, which is apparently making a lot of you vote against your choice. Please, when you go to vote today, vote for the guy you think will help our country, don't settle for Kerry because of some silly implanting of the idea by media that he is more electable. They just can't know that, and neither can you. Doing any less is foolhardy for this country. Electing Dean might be the last chance to wrest our country from Washington insiders, and back to the people who are making Dean's average $77 contributions at his web site. Do the right thing, not what they are trying to trick you into.

[Fovea]

1. I am not concerned about the 'electability' issue much

We can deal with that in June.
We need to energize our base, and
slam Bush with a grand chorus.

Let's get his approval rate to where it would be
without the grand bordello that is the media.
I'd say 29% is not impossible, if we keep telling
the truth.

[AntiCoup2K4]

2. Very well said, Mike!

Let's keep this one kicked to the top :kick:

[angryinoville]

3. Cheers to that...

The media loves Kerry for some reason and they're foisting this notion that he's already the nominee. It's sickening. It's obvious that Kucinich is the most peaceful with the best ideas, but will never get elected. So, it has to be either Dean or Clark! I'm still waiting to hear Edwards say, "What's it gonna take for me to get you in this bran' new Kia Sedona.."

[liberalmike27]

6. Corporations

Well, the word is Kerry has taken more from corporate lobbyists than any other candidate, and has nearly 70% $2000 checks. Can you write a $2000 check to give to a presidential candidate, without flinching, or at all for that matter? I certainly can't. I'd have trouble raising $2000 period, if I sold everything I own, with the exception of my car. I'd rather have a guy in there who'd gotten his contributions from real folks, like Howard Dean. I understand DEan's number of $2000 checks is about 12 percent.

I worry about people who can't think for themselves, and trust a media owned by the very transnational companies that keep moving American jobs away. They want Kerry, as he will be business as usual, not making waves. It is so obvious that they hate Howard, and destroyed him, both before Iowa, and really intensiying after the speech overplay. Wake up America! Don't give them what they want.

Anyone But Kerry, ABK.

[displacedtexan]

4. Please cite sources for Clinton ('92) primary wins

I had no idea Clinton lost so many races. I thought you were wrong, but you could be right.
Clinton didn't compete in Iowa in '92, and he won these (I don't have stats on the others):

New Mexico Caucus: 26 delegates
Past performance:
1984 (Primary): Hart 46.7%, Mondale 36.1%, Jackson 11.8%, McGovern 2.7%
6/7/1988 (Primary): Dukakis 61.0%, Jackson 28.1%, Hart 3.7%, Gore 2.5%, Babbitt 1.5%, Simon 1.5%
6/2/1992 (Primary): Clinton 52.9%, Brown 16.9%, Tsongas 6.2%, Harkin 1.8%



North Dakota Caucus: 14 delegates
Past performance:
1984: ???
1988: ???
3/5-19/1992: Clinton 46.0%, Tsongas 10.3%, Brown 7.5%, Harkin 6.8%, Kerrey 1.2%



Oklahoma Primary: 40 delegates
Past performance:
1984 (Caucus): ???
3/8/1988: Gore 41.2%, Gephardt 21.0%, Dukakis 16.8%, Jackson 13.3%, Hart 3.6%, Simon 1.8%, Babbitt 0.4%
3/10/1992: Clinton 70.5%, Brown 16.7%, Harkin 3.4%, Kerrey 3.2%

[liberalmike27]

9. Order

I heard this on Crossfire, or some show. I notice two of the primaries was in March, another in June. Could it be that the change in the order of the primaries is what might make your data incorrect? You'd have to get a full list, rather than your patchwork data, and see what order the primaries were in at that point.

In any case, that is as irrelevant as the television telling you to vote for Kerry, however subtle (not very, in my opinion). Vote for who you really believe in, it feels good, electability cannot be discerned at this point, and it is just the right thing to do. If you really like Kerry's positions, vote for him, but if you don't vote for Edwards, Dennis, Clark, Lieberman, Dean, or Sharpton. You might actually be voting for the least electable in Kerry, who knows?

[MoonAndSun]

5. Great post, thanks. I am voting today and my vote will be for Dean.

I will support Howard Dean all the way, and I will give up only if he does, and Dr. Dean is a fighter. I have faith.

[blm]

7. The media never really scrutinized Dean on issues, so how could people

know where he actually stood on them? Did they know he flip-flopped on most of the positions he held for his career as governor to sell himself as more palatable to the left base?

The media PROMOTED Dean for most of last year to the near exclusion of the other candidates.

Dean's bubble was a media creation and Dean did not hold up to greater scrutiny BY THE PEOPLE VOTING.

[nickinSTL]

8. Kerry

I voted this morning. For Kerry.

I didn't vote for Kerry because the media thinks he's 'electable'. I didn't vote for him beacuse he's perceived as the frontrunner.

I voted for Kerry because I think he's the best choice.

Did the news on his lobbyist money figure into my decision? Sure. But for every question I have about Kerry, I have one about each of the other candidates as well.

Not everyone who voted for Kerry is a sheep being led by the media. Some of us actually looked at each candidate and chose Kerry as the best of the bunch.

Each of the candidates has good qualities. Each has problems. Whichever one of them ends up with the nomination, I'll support vs. Bush. Any one of them, even Lieberman, who I don't much like, would be better than Bush.

[liberalmike27]

12. Didn't

Noticed you didn't say much about why you voted for Kerry nickin?

I agree, most people don't like the idea of thinking they were manipulated into a certain result. Unfortunately, manipulation is rampant on the corporate media, and those who think they are least suceptible and it doesn't exist, are usually the ones who are being duped.

Now why did you vote for Kerry, was it his knowledge of how to fire an M-16, his history of being a river-jockey in Vietnam? Was it how he got to be a war-hero, and a war-protestor at the same time? I don't get the attraction myself. He's a bonesman, and I fear he will simply lose to Bush, he has no fire.

[nickinSTL]

14. Kerry

Why did I vote for Kerry? Because on the issues, his positions come closest to my own. Except for Kucinich, who I considered for quite some time.

Do I support him because of his war record? No, but I think it won't hurt in the GE (if he gets the nomination)

'He's a bonesman'

I'm tired of reading this. If you think it's a big deal, fine. I think it's way overblown.

As to the no fire charge. I admit, Kerry's performance in debates has concerned me. He hasn't come off well in some of them. I worry about it being a problem in the GE (again, if he gets the nom) But I can't see that being an excuse for me not to vote for him.

[liberalmike27]

10. Never

Dean has never been promoted by the media. Negative reporting isn't promotion, nor is telling about his Internet campaign. But more important, they can say all the good things they want ten months from the first primary, but there was a deluge of negative progarmming about him that far surpassed any coordinated corporate trashing I've ever seen.
I'm telling you folks, CNN, ABC,NBC, MSNBC, CNBC,CBS, and especially FAUX are not your friends. News shows these days are simply like corporate-mouthpieces, delivering hypnotic messages to brainwash ordinary people, who have the free-press myth deeply rooted in their brain, and cling to it like life itself. There was a point that some liberal thought managed to escape on comedy shows like SNL, and others, but I've noticed that even they have gone way conservative. They were as guilty of demonizing Dean as the news show. Dean was killed-off just before Iowa, and after he was down they took that speech and bludgeoned him with it, beating him to a bloody pulp, then quietly later announcing it as a case of mistaken identity.
It reminds me of Clinton too. FAUX would report something, all the other networks would report it, they'd find out it was wrong at some point, then he'd get some small apology on the tenth page of section G in the paper. The damage is done. Fairness would dictate an apology around 1000 times, as many times as the video was played out of context.

[blm]

11. Dean's a weakling. Clinton would pull through. Just like Kerry and Edwards

pulled through with little attention from the media who declared their candidacies dead or irrelevant for months which dried up their fundraising.

[liberalmike27]

13. Fundraising

Dean has neither quit, nor has his fundraising dried up. Another effect of the media-bludgeoning was to sap huge amounts of money spent to win in Iowa and New Hampshire, which would have had the desired winning effect, had the media not made easily duped people's choices for them by trashing Dean. He's raised 2 million since New Hampshire. That ain't hay buddy.

Dean is no weakling, he was campaigning against Bush when all the rest were shivering in their boots, afraid to say anything bad about the in-house appointed war-monger.



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