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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 11:09 AM
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Why Bush Failed in Iraq
Militarily speaking, where did Bush go wrong in Iraq? Bush did not, as every other American wartime president has done, greatly increase the size of the Army and Marines. He ignored the advice of the Chief of Staff of the Army, who at that time, told him that we needed a lot more troops to do the job in Iraq while maintaining operations in Afghanistan. That general was promptly vilified by Rumsfeld, and retired. Another mistake that Bush made is that he did not promote any general to five star rank and let him run the show like FDR did with Ike (and others) in WW2. Instead, he placed a civilian (remember Paul Bremer?) in charge of everything in Iraq. Perhaps part of the problem is that the generals today are "yes men", who aren't really calling the shots like Ike, MacArthur, and Omar Bradley did in WW2. I don't see us fighting to win. If you read the book "Band of Brothers", you would see how officers (and NCO's) down to company and platoon level had much more authority in combat than officers at that level today have. If there was a German sniper in a church tower taking shots at American troops, that church tower (and most likely the church with it) were taken out by artillery, tanks, bazooka's, or mortar fire. Now, if an Iraqi insurgent is taking shots at American troops from a mosque, that decision would have to be made by a three or four star general, who would have to ask some civilian for approval first.

The U.S. Army is in the process of de-activating several artillery battalions. That's a lot of fire support for ground troops that is going bye-bye during wartime. Bush and the republican Congress have closed many bases that could be (and were meant to be) used as bases to organize, equip, train and deploy forces in the event of war - like against someone that actually attacked us - like Al Qaeda. To me, this is negligence and incompetence, which is leading us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I thought we had learned our lessons from Vietnam. And after all of Bush's tough talk about "Help is on the way" for the military and his infamous "Mission Accomplished" declaration from an Aircraft Carrier while looking ridiculous in a military uniform (how scary was that?) a couple of years ago, one would have thought things would have turned out differently........What a shame.

These are dark days for our country. We have a dangerous moron in the White House, and a pathetic, rubber stamping, evangelical driven, republican-led Congress that is going along with whatever their "Dear Leader" wants to do.
Joey Liberal



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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 11:13 AM
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1. no. iraq is failing, as vietnam failed because the population
will not go along with the occupation.

bush promised them freedom, promised them democracy, promised them a better life but gave them death, torture, misery and lies.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 11:20 AM
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4. True
Iraq was a mistake. Al Qaeda attacked us, not Iraq. But it's also been a fiasco militarily.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 11:16 AM
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2. He illegally launched an invasion of a disarmed UN compliant country
who was no threat to anyone. He murdered tens of thousands of her citizens for no reason whatsoever. Isn't that enough?
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 11:18 AM
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3. Yes, I agree with you
I was looking at the disaster from a strictly military point of view. We never should have invaded Iraq in the first place.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 11:26 AM
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5. Ex-actly
military details are insignificant. They may affect the situation temporarily but the long term outcome is...the same.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 12:52 PM
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7. What?
military details are insignificant. They may affect the situation temporarily but the long term outcome is...the same.
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You are either nuts or a non-veteran.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 03:34 PM
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8. blah blah blah
Tell me all about it Army boy. "If we had just flanked left at Samarrah, then brought in the 15th Cavalry as support and dug in at Fallujah, things would be *WAY* different..."

Your thinking is exactly the reason why we ARE losing. While you and your military planners are shooting their wad, the Iraqis are doing what they planned on doing all along. They drew us in, and now they're slaughtering us. It may take ten years, it may take twenty--but the outcome will be exactly the same, whether you put uranium-tipped shells in your cannon today or not.

:eyes:
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 05:54 PM
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10. You are both nuts and a non-veteran:)..........n.t
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 06:20 PM
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11. Sorry
I forgot that veterans had a lock on common sense. Vets like Colin Powell.

:rofl:
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 06:31 PM
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12. I forgive you
I forgot that veterans had a lock on common sense. Vets like Colin Powell.
========
You are forgiven. Now go play your banjo:).......
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 11:47 AM
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6. He failed to have a legitimate replacement for Saddam's
government to begin with - no one to hand the government over to. Then he disband the existing military. Then instead of leaving like he should have when Saddam was out he opted for perpetual war. His biggest mistake was going in the first place.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 03:39 PM
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9. How could "he" ever have a legitimate replacement?
It's not "his" country to do the replacing with. Ergo, illegitimate.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:37 PM
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13. That is what I meant - he was going to let a few Iraqi's
who were in exile in the US act as a front. Bad idiot move.
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