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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:54 PM
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If Kerry is worth >164 million....
why do so many people here claim that his mortage is just a ploy to get his wife to fund his campaign?

Seems to me he's got plenty of resources to pay off the mortgage.

I've been called "naive" for thinking that the mortgage wasn't a ploy to get Teresa Heinz' money to fund his effort. Will he really need to get his wife to pay off a couple of million when he's so rich himself?
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:55 PM
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1. Doh!
:-)

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:56 PM
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2. tax advantage. Can take mortgage interest loan financing his campaign
as tax write off, which he couldn't do if he used his own money.

See?
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:00 PM
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3. that has nothing to do with
the claim that his wife is going to pay off the mortgage.
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:05 PM
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4. Let me make sure I understand this.
And this is a serious question.

Is there some legal reason related to his campaign why his wife cannot pay any money toward his mortgage?

If not, who cares? It's a personal matter and they are married. If she wants to pay money on his mortgage that is their business.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:10 PM
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7. I don't know about the legalities of it...
but I would think if his wife did pay off the loan, it would violate the spirit, if not the letter, of the campaign finance laws.

She has given him $2,000 - the legal maximum.

A number of people here have said his wife is actually bankrolling his campaign through this mortgage.

I'd like one of them to explain why Kerry isn't capable of paying off his own mortgage, and why we should be suspicious that he's secretly using his wife's money to fund his campaign.
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:24 PM
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10. That's just sour grapes
He's not having any trouble raising money. Kerry wouldn't be stupid enough to do anything illegal with his mortgage and this campaign.

Some people are just having a hard time accepting that people are not voting for their candidate and actually VOTING for Kerry instead. So they have to make up these stupid rationalizations to demonize him because it's all Kerry's fault that their candidate fell flat on his face.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:29 PM
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11. well...
I agree entirely. But I was hoping some of the people who have repeatedly charged that he's using his wife's money would either retract the charge or explain why Kerry can't or won't pay off his own mortgage.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:47 PM
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12. Better to let this thread die and then start harping about Kerry's wife...
...bankrolling his campaign in a few days all over again like this thread never happened. :-)

Don

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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:00 PM
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13. lol...
well I hoped at least one of the people who called us "naive" for claiming his wife wasn't bankrolling his campaign would defend themselves.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:09 PM
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14. Your logic has been rejected
If Kerry can't raise the money, then it appears to me that he is trying to buy himself an election. That is not a candidate for the people, by the people or to the people. Dean raised 1.7 M since NH and continues to raise $$ while Kerry's Kash will dry up this week. Now that is a man for, by and to the people.

Hawkeye-X
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:12 PM
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15. well clearly
raising money and garnering votes are two very different skills.
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:01 AM
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21. LOL! Well logic is not your strong suit
considering the last thread you just engaged me in where you made ridiculous claims in spite of evidence to the contrary.

Kerry is raising money. He's not going anywhere. He's doing well because people are voting for him. Get used to it.

I have no issue with Dean raising money. More power to him. That is not translating into enough votes to win a primary so far. He's not even playing tomorrow. 7 states down the tubes. He's not even polling 15% in any of them to be viable even as a 4th or 5th place showing.

In order to be a man for, by and to the people, you have to win. Would you agree that is logical?
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:53 AM
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22. exactly...
we have elections, not telethons. Getting money is good, but it's not the same as getting votes.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:08 PM
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5. Where are you getting that...
he is worth 164,000,000?
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:13 PM
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8. from here
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ma4t Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:57 PM
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19. What was Kerry's net worth .....
before he married Teresa Heinz?
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 12:01 AM
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20. I don't know...
why is it relevant?

As I recall, it was already pretty substantial.
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:09 PM
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6. well it's not all cash. anyway this ain't the game for normal
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 10:09 PM by lastknowngood
people. Only the rich and familied can play in realm of kings.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:14 PM
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9. Again...
that has nothing to do with the claim that Kerry is secretly using his wife's money to fund his campaign.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:18 PM
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16. It seems Kerry can use his own money
to fund his campaign, why would he need his wife's money? Is there a limit to the amount that a candidate can use of his own money? The $6M+ that he did use of his own money was in my opinion buying the election. I believe in one "man" one vote, or said another way, limits to campaign contributions. When you allow people like Kerry to spend unlimited amounts of money it is no longer a Democracy.

Dean's contributions are about an average of $88 IIRC. I wonder what Kerry's are, particulary considering there was a $6M+ one.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:22 PM
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17. well...
you're asking the same question I am.

Why did so many people insist that Kerry was using his wife's money to bankroll his campaign when clearly that's not the case.

Whether rich people are overrepresented in government is a different discussion. There's no doubt they are - I suspect most kindergarden teachers and manual laborers don't have the resources to run for office.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:27 PM
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18. I am asking the same question.
How can folks suggest that Kerry is running out of campaign money, when he has so much wealth is my other question. Is there some kind of self imposed limit that he made?
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