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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:54 AM
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Is it time for the censure now ?
Russ Feingold's proposal of last week seems so much more credible today, doesn't it? Since the initial proposal, we have seen evidence that the president not only leaked the information but that he absolutely lied about it also. On top of that, the rumors of a nuclear strike seem almost surreal. Perhaps a censure would slow him down? The Republicans do not know it, but it would actually help them in their re-elections in November. They are hurting themselves by defending George W Bush.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:02 AM
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1. Last week vs. this week. Their formula is pretty much bulletproof
They succeed one outrage with one slightly more outrageous.

With apologies to Peter Daou,

Here's why: the dynamic of a typical Bush scandal follows familiar contours...

1. POTUS circumvents the law - an impeachable offense.

2. The story breaks (in this case after having been concealed by a news organization until well after Election 2004).

3. The Bush crew floats a number of pushback strategies, settling on one that becomes the mantra of virtually every Republican surrogate. These Republicans face down poorly prepped Dem surrogates and shred them on cable news shows.

4. Rightwing attack dogs on talk radio, blogs, cable nets, and conservative editorial pages maul Bush's critics as traitors for questioning the CIC.

5. The Republican leadership plays defense for Bush, no matter how flagrant the Bush over-reach, no matter how damaging the administration's actions to America's reputation and to the Constitution. A few 'mavericks' like Hagel or Specter risk the inevitable rightwing backlash and meekly suggest that the president should obey the law. John McCain, always the Bush apologist when it really comes down to it, minimizes the scandal.

6. Left-leaning bloggers and online activists go ballistic, expressing their all-too-familiar combination of outrage at Bush and frustration that nothing ever seems to happen with these scandals. Several newspaper editorials echo these sentiments but quickly move on to other issues.

7. A few reliable Dems, Conyers, Boxer, et al, take a stand on principle, giving momentary hope to the progressive grassroots/netroots community. The rest of the Dem leadership is temporarily outraged (adding to that hope), but is chronically incapable of maintaining the sense of high indignation and focus required to reach critical mass and create a wholesale shift in public opinion. For example, just as this mother of all scandals hits Washington, Democrats are still putting out press releases on Iraq, ANWR and a range of other topics, diluting the story and signaling that they have little intention of following through. This allows Bush to use his three favorite weapons: time, America's political apathy, and make-believe 'journalists' who yuck it up with him and ask fluff questions at his frat-boy pressers.

8. Reporters and media outlets obfuscate and equivocate, pretending to ask tough questions but essentially pushing the same narratives they've developed and perfected over the past five years, namely, some variation of "Bush firm, Dems soft." A range of Bush-protecting tactics are put into play, one being to ask ridiculously misleading questions such as "Should Bush have the right to protect Americans or should he cave in to Democratic political pressure?" All the while, the right assaults the "liberal" media for daring to tell anything resembling the truth.

9. Polls will emerge with 'proof' that half the public agrees that Bush should have the right to "protect Americans against terrorists." Again, the issue will be framed to mask the true nature of the malfeasance. The media will use these polls to create a self-fulfilling loop and convince the public that it isn't that bad after all. The president breaks the law. Life goes on.

10. The story starts blending into a long string of administration scandals, and through skillful use of scandal fatigue, Bush weathers the storm and moves on, further demoralizing his opponents and cementing the press narrative about his 'resolve' and toughness. Congressional hearings might revive the issue momentarily, and bloggers will hammer away at it, but the initial hype is all the Democratic leadership and the media can muster, and anyway, it's never as juicy the second time around...

Rinse and repeat.

It's a battle of attrition that Bush and his team have mastered. Short of a major Dem initiative to alter the cycle, to throw a wrench into the system, to go after the media institutionally, this cycle will continue for the foreseeable future.

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darkmaestro019 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:21 AM
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4. Boy, I wish I'd had the concept of scandal fatigue when I was a kid...
the idea that you could be SO BAD SO OFTEN that the grownups would give up and just let you BE as bad as you wanted never occurred to me. I wonder why? Oh yeah, I was a little kid, and not a rich gangster that got myself installed to the Whitehaus.

Not knocking your reply, dude, that's aimed squarely at Duh-bya.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:13 AM
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2. IMHO, TOO little, TOO late
Shall we censure BEFORE or AFTER we bomb Iran?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:18 AM
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3. yes, KNR
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:26 AM
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5. What we want and what we get ain't gonna be the same thing
till we retake the house....

The Republicans won't allow the Censure of Bush....before or after the bombing of Iran or anything else for that matter. The man is a traitor and should be impeached. If we're gonna ask for something we can't get...might as well demand the punishment that fits the crime as opposed to fighting for a slap on his hand!
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:56 AM
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6. time for impeachment, the world can't wait. sling the cabal's collective
hide in jail and throw away the key.

The only use for a censure motion is to show the voters where their particular local representative stands. If enough republicans join in the motion they might save themselves from some electoral embarrassment in Nov. Bush's approval figures aren't getting ant higher.

Let's face it, even if Bush turns up with Osama bound and gagged tomorrow, it will only have taken him 4&1/2 years, 100,000+ deaths and a trillion dollars to get him. Politically, Bush is finished. If the republicans publically acknowledge this then they might be able to salvage some political capital for themselves.
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