I'm a Dean supporter...but I'll never be down on Kerry for S&B

[Khephra]

I'm a Mason, a group hated by many here. Personally, I think too much is put into these group's influence.

Heck, I have hard time getting a car jump from a lot of Masons. Organizations like the Masons and S&B might have had influence at one point, but I think those days are over.

[EllieDem]

1. Yes the whole Skull & Bones

issue is really trivial.

[MercutioATC]

Agreed. S&B should be left alone. Actions should count.

Personally, enough of Kerry's cause me pause to prevent be from supporting him, but you're right. The S&B (and Botox) issues should just go away.

[KoKo]

15. Well.......it WAS important to make the connection about S&B, though.....

Given that the "Selection" happened to us Dems....one does worry about the "S&B" Fraternal order. An "elitist" group with the Chimp and his Poppy, Grandpoppy.

One should have focused on that, I think. :shrug:

[MercutioATC]

18. Maybe, but we have enough other issues to worry about without spending

too much time on this...

[KC21304]

4. Oh, I don't know about that. S&B and Botox

are serious issues, agonized over by millions. :boring:

[Straight Shooter]

2. All those fraternities with their initiation rites are ridiculous

I guess it's a male bonding thing. I don't know. Ask Eulogia.

[blm]

uh oh...I knew there was something 'spooky' about you.

heh...don't people usually think you're just a plain old Satanist, kef?


heheh ;)))))))

[MAlibdem]

3. But if you are a Mason

Then you'd WANT us to believe the Masonic Order and S&B have no influence. BWWAAAAAHHHH!!!!!

The way some people think...

[Forkboy]

5. S & B is a non story for me

though there are some people here I respect greatly that feel differently.

[ibegurpard]

6. This is the one thing lobbed at Kerry that doesn't bother me.

I really don't know that I can take it all very seriously.

[Piperay]

7. I agree

most of the general public doesn't even know what S & B is and if they do they don't care.

[Catholic Sensation]

8. the movie about the group sucked too

but that's what you get for casting dawson's creek actors...

[salin]

9. if this place is any example

it is a pretty small sample that is concerned about this - vocal, yes... but pretty small. I don't think it will ever be much of an issue as much as it is an irritant (eg "bringing that up again...")

But I take such things in stride... because like you Keph, I live in the "conspiracy capitol of the country"... its real easy just not to "hear" it anymore... a conditioned response.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. Hehe! Sure you're not a Bush plant sent here to suck the grey matter out

of our heads?

Thanks, Keph

[peacetalksforall]

11. The Skull & Bones is no fraternity, it is a FRATERNITY with lifelong

obligations.

This country is not about secret societies, secret initiations, secrecy or secret sub-governments.

How can any of your say it is baseless as a concern if you don't know its secrets.

We don't need another S&B President or even Senator. What is Kennedy doing?

[salin]

14. easy

to me, it is baseless as a concern. Just said it. Not hard to do.

(sort of a "can I do x" sort of challenge when the response is: I don't know... can you?)

So any person who was in a fraternity or sorority in college should never run for office? Wow - I hope we start telling out 17 year olds this.

[PVnRT]

16. Many of our founding fathers were Masons

I guess they should've been disqualified, eh?

[KC21304]

19. I know about those lifelong obligations, but if Theresa

doesn't mind John taking off once a month to go sleep in the coffin, I don't think the rest of us should. And he only has to take his clothes off and run around the Bonesman's sacred book once a year.

[PVnRT]

12. Neither will I

I think it's utter horseshit. Or are we going to start trashing every politician who ever joined the Masons, a fraternity, or something similar? It's ridiculous.

[KoKo]

13. Okay...Keph....only for you will I forgive S&B's. But.....there's other

stuff.....

[JPJones]

17. Freemasons run the country! n/t

[Dr Fate]

26. And they make damn good Bar-b-que!!!

My Uncle John Tuttle, a 33 degree Mason, made a mess of it for the Clayton Fire Department every year.

Evil Barbeque, that is!-bwuhahahahahah!!!!

[curse10]

20. Thanks khephra

:-)

[cally]

21. I agree

What you join in college has little influence on who you are now 25+ years later. I also agree that these organizations have much less influence over their members than they once did.

Thanks for the post.

[RetroLounge]

22. When bush* needed a "jump" for the war

he was given one by a fellow S&B.

Makes you go Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

[DrFunkenstein]

23. I'm A Member Of The Stonecutters, And It's Not What It Used To Be

[Dr Fate]

24. Gimmie that ol time Religion!!!

They dont make secret societies the way they used ta!!!

Praise Jahbulon!!!

[mitchum]

25. That's because you're not batshit crazy

[seventhson]

27. There WAS a great Rebuttal on this issue here: Scrubbed by Masons???

I have often used this site to rebut claims that S+B is not significant and to bolster the argument that Kerry's membership makes him unfit for the Presidency.

This WAS Alexandra Robbins interview about her book on Skull and Bones.

A MUST read for those who are uninformed on these issues.

Here:

http://www.guerrillanews.com/counter_intelligence/doc808.html

But it musta got scrubbed. "Mason error" Wazzat?

This was a GREAT article.

Anybody know where I can get another?

[seventhson]

28. You Guys can vote for another Skull and Bones president

Not me.

But mark my words:

You will regret voting for Kerry.