I would like to issue an apology to the Dean supporters

[ShaneGR]

Sometimes I've gotten a little carried away in my efforts against Dean. I respect what the Dean campaign managed to do, mainly changing the dynamic of the race against Bush, and it does strike me as particularly sad that the "Scream" speech possibly ended his campaign (I know a guy who went to Iowa, and I understand why Dean was so aggressive). While I disagree on the reasons for Dean's slips, I do respect the countless hours and dollars the Dean supporters have put into their candidates.

I'm still fairly sure that if Dean doesn't get the nomination (He may still) that the vast majority of his supporters will, within a few months, recover and reload in their efforts to send Bush back to Crawford, permanently. I know if Dean got the nod, I'd gladly work for him to get rid of Bush.

Anyways, I'm rambling, but just wanted to let all the Dean people know it's nothing personal.

[creativelcro]

1. How sweet.... Tears forming....

[expatriot]

2. thank you

n/t

[Straight Shooter]

3. We're all happy to send the Toxic Texan back to his hog farm

But I doubt if Texas will appreciate it.

:evilgrin:

[GumboYaYa]

4. sgr2, no apology necessary for me.....

you and I have agreed on many things in the past. I think I remember defending you on a few Ewdards thereads even. I can't recall you ever doing anything other than supporting your candidate and engaging in reasonable arguments.

[Lisa0825]

5. Thank you!:-)

Yes, I have put a lot of time, effort, and what money I could spare into Dean, and will continue to do so as long as I still believe. But you BET I'll be doing the same for the nominee, no matter who it is!!! and this is one voter who was drawn into the system by Dean, who will continue to participate.

[ibegurpard]

6. You don't get it, do you?

We're not pissed off because someone's being mean to Dean or someone on this board is being mean to us. We are pissed off because the Democratic Party is not only not interested but is actively trying to stomp on a solution to its having to whore itself to big money donors. Dean showed that it's possible to garner support and money without having to do that. The Party isn't interested. The powerbrokers are more fearful of losing influence than they are of 4 more years of Bush.

[Jack_Dawson]

10. The Party wants to nominate someone electable,

that's all. Dean appeals to the base but not swing voters. Swing voters will decide the next election.

It's mathematics over conspiracy theories.

[ibegurpard]

12. The Party did everything they could to push the "unelectable"

theme about Dean.

[Julien Sorel]

19. Copernicus did everything he could to push

the 'Earth is round' theme regarding astrophysics.

[Art_from_Ark]

28. And the Church did everything it could to push

the "universe revolves around the Earth" theme.

[michaud]

13. who need kerry when we got bush

kerry is a 49 state loser

[ibegurpard]

17. Doubtful

He might even win, considering how much Democrats hate Bush. Perceived illusions of "electability" do not influence where I put my support. If that were the case, I would've jumped on the bandwagon already.

[Skip Intro]

21. Dean vs. bush, 44-49

I've posted this in another thread, but it seems especially needed right here.

Yeah, at this very second, Kerry is beating bush by 8, and Dean trails bush by 5, but factoring in the media bias, current "mo" and moe, neither Dean nor any of the other candidates listed below are "unelectable."
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http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x9998.xml

In possible 2004 presidential matchups, Kerry beats Bush 51 – 43 percent, compared to a 49 – 45 percent Bush lead January 26. Bush beats all other Democrats:

49 - 44 percent over Dean, down from 54 – 38 percent January 26;
47 – 45 percent over Edwards, down from 50 – 42 percent;
48 – 45 percent over Clark, down from 51 – 41 percent;
49 – 44 percent over Lieberman, down from 53 – 39 percent.
From January 28 – 31, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,219 registered voters nationwide, with a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percent. The survey includes 420 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4.8 percent.
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This is as much about what kind of party/country we want to have as it is about "electability."

[janx]

25. Dean has PLENTY of swing voter support.

I am an example of that, and so are many, many others.

[aquart]

27. No, the party wants someone manageable.

Kerry won't interfere in favorite pork. He won't break up international cartels leaching off American resources. He won't end the offshore banking loopholes.

He'll let all the prying agencies, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, stand.

And he won't make a move to decrease the presidential power concentrated by Bush.

Will he?

[progressivebydesign]

29. No such thing as "electable". They're ALL electable.

Last time I checked, each of the candidates had the necessary particulars to run for president. That makes them electable. We are being lulled into a false sense of security by all this "electability" talk. It all comes down to this.. Whomever we nominate, he had better be squeaky clean, above reproach, and have asbestos underwear.. because once the convention is over.. the Rove team will search and destroy. They may or may not be successful. Sure.. it's easy to say now, in the polls, that someone could beat Bush TODAY. But.. how will that person stand up once they've been worked over by Rove's oppo research, Rush's rants, and Hannity's hallucinations??? All forces work against our nominee from July to November. THEN.. we'll see who was REALLY electable.

[conservdem]

32. Important points.

[creativelcro]

16. Well said ibe....

[nonconformist]

7. Thanks

I think it's important to remember we're all on the same side here in the end. I avoid most of the threads attacking Dean, or attacking any of the candidates for that matter.

If nothing else, support him or not, Dean lit a fire under many Democrats, a fire that was sorely needed. I only hope that if Dean isn't our candidate that we can keep that fire going for whoever IS *our* candidate.

ANYBODY BUT BUSH is enough inspiration for me.

[lastknowngood]

8. to many people get enjoyment by kicking a man when is

down. It's sick and a sign of deep problems. Some here have so alienated Dean supporters that they have lost their vote unless Dean gets the nod. Remember this to all, if you poison the well you can't ever go back that way.

[uberotto]

9. It's all in how you look at it...

For me, I have $1000 ready to go to help Dean remove bush from the White House, if he wins the nomination.

If he doesn't win the nomination, I have $1000 ready to go towards a Jamaica Vacation.

I may be willing to lower the price of my vote for this election, but I refuse to lower the price of my support.

As far as the vacation goes, I don't think that I will be needing to make plans any time too soon, I still think that Dean can pull it out with a little luck.

[On the Road]

11. Thank You --

Regardless of what anybody else says, we need to try to stick together.

[Khephra]

14. Thank you!

I'm starting to think I died this weekend. I'm sick with strep and missed out on the Janet situation (I thought it was about Janet in Rocky Horror at first) and now this.

Good show, sgr2!

(BTW, I'm still ABB)

[Southsideirish]

15. Thanks, but hold the post mortems - our guy is still alive & kickin'.

[EllieDem]

20. Anyone who seriously thinks Dean has a chance

of winning a GENERAL ELECTION .....let me repeat...GENERAL ELECTION.....clearly has no idea of the demographics of this country.

[freetempe]

31. And the Demographics suggest...

that a Massachusettes, pro-gun control, Teddy Kennedy-esque liberal will beat Bush? Come on, now.

[chocolateeater]

18. Thank you, that's much appreciated.

:toast:

[liberalnurse]

22. Thanks.....

It is appreciated and accepted. Yours is the very first Clark supporter to share.....at least the first one I have read here.

[waldenx]

23. not accepted

you aren't sincere.

[ShaneGR]

26. Ok

Have a nice day!

[Anwen]

24. Thanks.

I know that once a candidate is selected, (almost) everybody is going to work together to defeat Bush.

ABB!

[progressivebydesign]

30. As a Dean supporter, I accept your apology.. thanks.

That was very sweet of you.. to see beyond the differences here on this forum. Yes.. regardless of who gets the nod.. I will vote ABB. I'd prefer it be someone that I consider to be the best presidential material.

[KoKo]

33. Oh...Dear.....the crocodile tears do run and stream out into the rivers...

and drift out to the oceans....I know...it's sad, too.