Now do we see the master plan?

[Slit Skirt]

It doesn’t matter that George W Bush is breaking the law, or breaking the backs of Americans. He will do what he wants anyway and flaunt it in our face. He already has. He is a globalist. He will never give up power. These people are not going to go away without a fight.

At the very least, he allowed 9/11 to happen
It allowed him into Afghanistan, and provided a catalyst for Iraq. Which in turn will allow for an attack on Iran. His agenda is to create world chaos...a possible WWIII. We are already seeing talk of this nature. A war of that size will allow for massive destruction, and many deaths. The world will then have to reorganize..... This is key to the globalist agenda..

They know that tearing down America is the hardest thing they will have to do, but the most necessary thing to do. It will be difficult because they fear that Americans will fight back; But it is necessary to achieve world equality. An equality where the have-nots are reduced to slave labor. Just look around, the evidence is everywhere. They will tear down our borders, ship our jobs overseas, allow foreign countries to buy our assets . In order for globalism to be successful they must reduce the United States to a third world country. (remember Katrina and Dick Cheney’s comment that the “Katrina exercise was going well.”? They will destroy our economy, weaken our military and destroy our infrastructure. This is why George W is on the left when it comes to our ports and immigration. Let’s not forget NAFTA and CAFTA. It defies safety against terrorism, but it serves corporate rule and globalism very well. For crying out loud…there was an economist on Lou Dobbs last year who made the statement that America was heading for third world status!

George W is not the only globalist, Tony Blair is right beside him (as are many other world leaders) And why is it that Vincente Fox feels he needs to interject what the US immigration policies should be? Does that not seem just a little odd? All the pieces are starting to come together now. …ah yes….. Globalism baby!

We have the religious right in this country spewing their hate. They are being used as pawns on this huge globalist chess board. They keep us busy with their mantra and hate, They keep the fight between the left and the right going. That is important because it keeps us busy and preoccupied. We are always fighting them, and they are demonizing us, as evil, weak and despicable. They provide cover, distraction and gives the globalist leeway to maneuver without attracting too much attention. We all know that when something big is about to happen, they do their best to distract us. The media is their bedroom partner. Although the reporting is getting better, there is so much more that is not being talked about. And god forbid if we started agreeing with each other. Chris Matthews had Pat Buchanen and John Podesta on tonight. They were actually agreeing with each other about the war and Chris Matthews quickly put a stop to it by going to commercial and then changing the subject…can’t have us agreeing with each other….not an us vs. bush argument.

It is a dim picture indeed, but I feel that the people can eventually win. We have to come together in this, not as republicans and democrats, but as Americans willing to fight for our country. We must do what is necessary to stop the destruction of our republic. I know that as Americans, we love our country more than they could possibly fathom. They have not yet met the true wrath of the American defending our country’s soil.
Although I believe there are some very good people in the Senate and the House; not all seems to be as it is. We must let all democratic and republican lawmakers know that we are aware of what the real agenda is .We understand the game plan….and they are either with us or against us. That is the way it must be, because we are protecting our country, our constitution, our bill of rights,and everything we believe in and what everything America stands for. In the end, WE WILL WIN, and it will be Americans that will have the last say, and America will stand tall once again....but it will be one helluva fight.

[undergroundpanther]

1. I have an even more cynical veiw on thier"plan"

They want to do a sort of very stratified global fuedalism.Where people who become "trouble" are either killed or put in slave camps until their personalities/identities are torn down and rebuilt as the 'elites' want them on the inside. Rebels are be worked to death or used as subjects to test more effective ways of crushing human souls into submission.
Alot of people are going to be tortured and murdered and already they have been getting people used to stress abuse andtrauma.Everyday serial killer stories dead bodies death torture fear..Desensitizing us until we are morally paralyzed..

These fuckers want to DOMINATE the world it's heart mind body and soul. They want to own it all and do as they will with no opposition.

And what's a few billion deaths of suffering people to stand in the way of thier fantasy kingdom come, and the leftover traumatized masses that serve will have no other options.Think the old movie Metropolis. Science is getting ever closer to unlocking what causes death aging and illness.The few sociopathic evil monsters on top in human suits that hide themselves away for they know they are hated,will be able to live forever, never be sick and have super human genetic and cyborged bodies. They will in effect be hitlers"supermen"..

Already the mindfucks are coming from the east,disguised as a "new Age"The media, the popular lies embedded in so many beliefs that in effect say that victims create thier own suffering..and that we create reality(rumsfelt is a new ager? yep..).Excuse the perpretrators..Pity them.

I see religions being bent to accomdate a kind of terminal madness driven by the catharsis of repressed kundalini breaking out.Just today CNN did a piece on Excorcism.This is a very disturbing trend(it is a very subtle thing I see here but that's for another post)The types of beliefs I see synthesyzing in people fit in so well with a globalist agenda,and they are not even questioning this.. the good cop bad cop games.. it speaks of how widespread unresolved trauma is in the populations and how desperate for catharsis from the suffering they face but cannot deal with or intergrate people are.

The shit I see happening is quite disturbing. ButI feel even if I was to write a 20 page post discribing it it would surely offend someone and the point and plot and the warning..would be missed,.

[file83]

12. You nailed it too. Intentional or not, the Polpot's and Rwanda's

were case studies for these global elites to learn from. How to make a population kill itself and how to enslave the rest. They don't see 1984 as a warning, they see it as a proposal. The sick part is, this beast will never reveal itself out in the open. Never. It will continue through incrementalism to destroy human freedom from behind the curtain. It knows all too well that if it moves too fast, that humans will become aware of it's presence. But it also knows that if it moves too slow, that the ones who have already caught on will have too much time to spread the word and wake people up.

Technology is the key to this sick future. That's why this is all happening now.

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[formercia]

3. All well and good

and the truth will come out eventually but the Terrorism bogeyman is wearing thin and the Administration is opening up a new front with Immigration. Notice how they create chaos even within their own ranks and polarize people. They prey on every fear that can be conjured up, jobs, education and medical costs...ad nauseam.
On TV, there's Sensenbrenner spewing Jim Crow racism and really getting everyone worked up. I asked myself how, in this day and age, could someone spew such hate and get away with it but it is being done on purpose.
We hear rumors of the Administration putting Chinese illegals in camps, and who's next, the Mexicans, and after that who?
There they are, screaming that the fate of our nation is at stake unless something is done right now! Wait a minute, they're just reclaiming territory we took away from them more than a Century ago. So what's the big deal? This issue has been festering for generations. Another decade or two isn't going to matter much in the grand scheme of things.

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[Nikki Stone1]

9. I think you are right to be joining forces with different sides on 9/11

The goal is to make it impossible for us to talk to each other across political lines about political subjects. Talking about 9/11 may be a major first step toward breaking down that wall.

[formercia]

14. I'm with you

I was just ranting on my view as to what the Administration is up to.

[donkeyotay]

5. Ever wonder about Lou Dobbs or Commrade Dobbs as they called him

on the bidness channel. Did you ever wonder why the corporate whore media was letting Lou Dobbs hammer away with his populist message? I did. I liked much of what he said, but I couldn't help wondering why they were letting him say it. I thought maybe it was just to help make the media look liberal or at least not so monolithic. But now it looks to me as if maybe those passions were being stoked for a very specific play. I'm beyond cynical, beyond tinfoil. I don't trust anything they say or do.

[Slit Skirt]

6. I will say that everything must be suspect......

EVERYTHING....
you are right on!

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[donkeyotay]

8. The 3D defense should maybe be the 4D defense

Deny
Distract
Discredit

and add Divide and conquer.

They keep the fight between the left and the right going. That is important because it keeps us busy and preoccupied. We are always fighting them, and they are demonizing us, as evil, weak and despicable. They provide cover, distraction and gives the globalist leeway to maneuver without attracting too much attention. We all know that when something big is about to happen, they do their best to distract us. The media is their bedroom partner. Although the reporting is getting better, there is so much more that is not being talked about.

[Minnesota Libra]

10. I want so much to believe that if we hammer away at neocons/fundies......

......policies we will eventually win in the end.

At the same time, I can't get rid of this nagging feeling :tinfoilhat: that PNAC is only the tip of the iceberg and that neocons/fundies couldn't care less if everyone knows about the plans set out in PNAC. Why?? Because in the end there is so much more they have still "classified" (for lack of better term right now) that we will never know about until it is much too late.

Yes, I am one of those who believe whole heartedly in the Lou Dobbs approach to illegal aliens only because I've been there, done that, and lived with the affects. So I can see both sides to a point but MY COUNTRY comes first and foremost to me. I've included a statement at the end of this post by Theodore Roosevelt that just says it all for me.

Getting back to the over all fundie/neocon approach to government though this may seem like :tinfoilhat: stuff, but what if the neocons/fundies are nothing but the Fourth Reich in action??

I have so many more questions than there are answers for so please forgive me if I seem to be very confusing here - but darn it I AM VERY CONFUSED. I don't want to believe my country is a thing of the past but that is precisely what it is beginning to look like to me.

Ok, you are all welcomed to flame away now.


"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
--Theodore Roosevelt, 1919

[Slit Skirt]

11. no flames here...great quote!

our country is NOT a thing of the past yet....but it is getting there rapidly. We have to face the facts that they have been fooling us for a long, long time.
fear is the enemy....get mad and get ready to fight

this is a great video
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2539123


and another one:
http://bradblog.com/video/flvplayer/FlvPlayer.html?file=http://www.wakahiru-me.com/media/vid/misc/mosh_post_election_041201a_260_320x240.flv&width=320&height=240

[welshTerrier2]

13. Democrats are NOT opposition until they question bush's MOTIVES

all the little arguments about "mishandling" the war and blaming Rumsfeld and talking about different tactics fail to acknowledge the REAL WAR ...

is is inconceivable that Democratic Party elites are unaware of the not-so-hidden evils being perpetrated by this administration ...

which then raises the question that either they see no viable path to resistance or they are consciously complicit ... neither answer is very comforting ...

it is NOT acceptable for Democrats to suggest "withdrawal schemes" or "regional negotiations" or any of the other "end the war strategies" WITHOUT also questioning bush's motives for war ... absent that, there is NO ORGANIZED OPPOSITION ... who will speak truth to power if our major political institutions, especially our own party, have been totally co-opted?

either Democrats need to stand, fight and lead or we need to find new organizations that will ...

[Slit Skirt]

15. agreed...100%