Dean gone too far.

[cindyw]

On CNN they just quoted Dean as saying that we have to get the special interests out of Washington, "John don't let the door hit you on the way out."

That is going too far. Even if Dean is the nominee, Kerry will still be a senator and a needed one. I have said that I will support Dean in the GE, but I cannot support him trying to weaken the party. I thought he wanted to strengthen the party. This is wrong.

[Darth_Kitten]

1. it's politics.....

:shrug: :)

[Eloriel]

15. Yes, and I've got no sympathy for the whines

of any other candidates's supporters -- esp. not Kerry supporters, esp. not after what Kerry has done to get where he is.

[ACPS65]

2. Dean's flailing.

Not leading in any state. What can you expect.

[sangh0]

3. Dean doesn't care about the Democratic Party

It's all about Dean, Dean, Dean

[indigo32]

4. Not True

eom

[AntiCoup2K4]

10. Dean's the only one who does care about the Democratic party.

The DLC'ers would rather be Republicans anyway. Kucinich could always defect to the Greens, and Clark's no stranger to switching parties, so he could do it again.

[candy331]

13. Another Dean thread!

I thought he was dead, why is a dead man garnering all this attention? Do people really beat up on a dead man? Seems like he is still alive and well. "Dean 04"

[Skip Intro]

27. Well, it has been ten minutes

Guess bashing Dean is easier than clarifying Kerry's positionS on the Iraq invasion, or patriot act, or NCLB, or special interest influence, or...

Dean Dean Dean

[Forkboy]

61. It's becoming like a Clinton's Cock type of thing

pretty much the same mentality.

[EvilJam]

88. true, it's all about "The Dean Party"

and, i see no problem with that!
now that Bubba has effectively watered down the Dem Party to "Republican Lite" - with Kerry as the Poster Boy - there isn't a dime's woth of difference between the Two Parties!
time for a 3rd Party!
time for "The Dean Party!" - evil

[Andromeda]

96. No, it's about...

AMERICA, AMERICA, AMERICA!

[Vis Numar]

5. Just warming up

I'll, and aoub 10% support the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party over Kerry anyday.

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[Renew Deal]

7. Dean is shrill

and I think his attacks are baseless and immature. Everybody is a Republican except him. Yeah, OK. Dean is a like an athlete that is just too old to play, but refuses to retire. His best days are behind him and now he can only hurt his team.

[adadem]

11. His behavior

is enough to make one be embarassed to be a Dem...he needs to grow up.

[Debi]

17. Right now

I AM embarassed to be a Dem. with all the ass=kissing of the Rep.s we do...That's why I support Dean

[Eloriel]

21. My, my, my. All these ad hominem attacks on Dean. You'd think

his detractors didn't have anything substantive to say about him, wouldn't you?

[sangh0]

25. My, my. my. Don't we know what "ad hominem attack" means?

It's not the same a personal attack

[waldenx]

8. Kerry isnt needed

he represents everything that is wrong with politicians.
Unlike you, most people don't put a party ahead of America.

[cindyw]

32. Nice. Real nice thing to say to a person you do not know.

Does this make you feel better.

[ronnykmarshall]

64. That graphic is the bomb!!

I love it, love it, looooooooovvveeeee it!

[Exgeneral]

74. I'm with RonnyK on that one!!

Damn, that just made me laugh out loud!!

[PaDUer]

65. Well. let me say this...

there's a group of marines who have been sending tons of info on Kerry's military record....seems there's something they're not happy about, and let me tell you this, they send TONS of these messages!!

[cindyw]

68. A small group vs. the 10,000 military men who have signed up

for supporting Kerry. That is "signed up". Not just supporters and voters. I have seen the disgustingness that these people are spreading about him and it's about as worthwhile as the spam that I get filtered. All Dems should stand up to that crap they say. It offends me as a liberal and one who appreciates what Kerry did to stop that war. It offends me in the way people suggest that Judy Dean should quit her job and stand by her man. I for one am looking forward to that fight. And I think our country is ready to shut people up who attack people like this.

[SimpleMan]

9. Dean is not weakening the party...

...he is keeping it real. I'm still waiting for the "Real Deal" to do the same.

[ramapo]

12. Politicians say the stupidest things

Dean has lost it if he's coming out with this crap.

[Debi]

14. Now we're not strong?

"That is going too far. Even if Dean is the nominee, Kerry will still be a senator and a needed one. I have said that I will support Dean in the GE, but I cannot support him trying to weaken the party. I thought he wanted to strengthen the party. This is wrong"


Because Kerry's tirade during the first debate in Iowa was 'right'?

[TheBlob]

16. 30 lashes for ANY candidate

that uses that damn "Don't let the door hit you" line again.

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[TheDonkey]

19. That's why I'm a fmr Dean supporter

I like how he speaks the truth and is controversial but he takes that position to the extreme. It's not doing any of us good by slamming solid democrats who have made mistakes (no one not even dean is perfect). It makes the party look worse, our members, and our message.

His bullying, smirking, tactics are only going to further bury him like he did with Gephardt. You'd think he'd learn... guess not.

[cindyw]

35. I have no problem with attacks based on one's record or life or issues,

but for me I have a problem with someone who suggests another candidate should also lose his job.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. Issue!

#1 receiver of special interest money in the Senate.

Says he's the one to fight special interests.


Note the disconnect? Please tell me you can see it!

[cindyw]

62. Bush is not a problem because he takes money from oil and gas. He is

a problem because he lets them set up shop in his White House and they make the policy. Unless you can make that claim along with proof, on Kerry, your "issue" is pointless.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

97. Companies don't keep pushing money at someone unless there

is a quid pro quo. That's the way of the world. If you want to close your eyes to it, fine.

[Southsideirish]

52. They all stole his message - the phony "populists" . If you want to

make an omelet you have to break some eggs and Howard isn't "asceerd" of shaking up the current "corporation-cozy" Democratic party.

[CWebster]

20. Yowser

Speaking up and out for me! Thank you, Gov Dean!

[Anwen]

22. Yep. Dean eats babies.

We've beat this dead horse enough.

[Duncan Grant]

56. And he robs little old ladies of their social security checks!

Talk about "let me trash your candidate, but don't trash mine"...:eyes:

[Anwen]

78. Exactly.

This is a shining example of that mindset.

[MercutioATC]

23. Good Dean quote! Kerry is why I was disinterested in politics.

It's time for change. If I want a legislator to vote for NCLB, the IWR and the Patriot Act, I'll vote for a Republican. Dean represents, to me, what Democrats should...NEED to be if we're to regain any power.

[paulk]

36. I guess I just don't understand what Dean "represents"

Dean is a centrist moderate. In his own words. Kerry is a liberal. Dean, as a centrist, is closer to being a "Republican" than Kerry is.

NCLB was cosponsored by Ted Kennedy, and large parts of the bill were written by Democrats. Bush has never funded the initiative properly, nor has his administration implemented the bill properly. Tagging Kerry for NCLB is naive and dishonest on Dean's part.

Large parts of the Patriot act were also Democratic initiatives that Clinton tried to get passed in the wake of the Oklahoma city bombing.
Attacking Kerry for a bill that passed 98-1 is nonsense. All of the Democratic candidates have come out against large parts of the Patriot Act, and promised to fix it if elected.

Quite a few Democrats voted for the IWR. Should we just throw the lot of them out of office? I don't accept Dean's "opposition" to this anyway, with his support for Biden - Luger. It's nit picking on Dean's part, and the voters of two states have already made clear they don't consider it an issue. Tomorrow, seven additional states will vote, and it is looking as though Howard Dean will not even reach the 15% delegate threshold in any of them. Apparently, his IWR vote position is not resonating.

[MercutioATC]

42. Well, it's not what Kerry "represents"

True, Dean is to the right of where Kerry says he (Kerry) is. However, Kerry is closer to being a "Republican" than Kucinich is. These comparison things rarely work as planned. I realize it's an opinion, but I'm more comfortable with Dean's positions that Kerry's.

NCLB is bad legislation, whether it's fully funded or not. Penalizing schools for not meeting minimum standards by cutting funding will HELP? Dean's right. NCLB is a short-sighted idea meant to appeal to voters' outrage at the quality of public education. It doesn't solve the problem.

I'll grant that there are parts of the Patriot Act that are valuable. However, supporting it with an affirmative vote allowed the REST of it to pass, too. If a bill has some good points, but restricts Constitutional freedoms in a profound way, can you justify supporting it just based on its merits? I'm NOT for repealing the whole thing, just the sections that infringo on our civil liberties. Kerry, however, voted for the entire thing.

Whether Dean's IWR position "resonates" or not, I'd like to see you support the vote. Shouldn't this have been a time for Dems to stand up and say "NO! We will NOT give you Congressional support to wage war at will!"? Granted, they would have been outvoted, but what use are principles if you only apply them when you're assured of a win?

These ARE three major issues with me. Aside from Dean, Kucinich and Sharpton, I haven't heard a Democratic candidate stand up for us on these issues.

[Andromeda]

93. Hear, hear, MercutioATC...

You really nailed it! This is why I admire Dr. Dean so much. He's nobody's lapdog.

[Metrix]

24. When does Gore order the plug pulled on this loser?

And salvage whatever political capital he has left.

[Andromeda]

98. But, but Gore didn't endorse Kerry...

:silly:

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[BootinUp]

28. Somebody needs to question

Kerry's record. Nobody else is doing it. I don't know that much about Kerry so I would like to see exactly what he is made of.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

29. from the guy with the sealed records?

Hypocrisy, thy face is Dean.

[Hawkeye-X]

94. 40% of the records are sealedT

The rest is open to the public. The majority of the 40% is personal correspondence with privacy issues. You wouldn't want to let everyone in the news to see what Dean's idea of curing chronic burstis is. And embarrass that said citizen? Sure I'm sure the citizen would love to sue somebody.

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31. So did Kerry ever call Dean a Republican?

????

[TLM]

38. Kerry has repeatedly claimed that Dean was like Gingrinch...

In much the same way Dean said Kerry was like Bush.

But I guess it is unfair when Dean hits back, huh?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

40. It's helps to be more specific, and regarding Medicare Kerry was right

Dean rightly had to eat those words he uttered back in '95.

[JVS]

86. Kerry's welfare dependency comment is straight from Newt

[Southsideirish]

39. Of course not, as there is no basis for doing same. (n/t)

[Zinnola]

58. Kerry stated Dean is unelectable

and does not have foreign policy experience without backing his statments up. Talk about ad hominem attacks.

[dsc]

59. no just an abortionist, racist, in favor of gay marriage

but he was to cowardly to actually say it himself and had a 19 year old do it instead. He had his spokesman say he was unfit to be President. Sorry but Kerry complaining about his is like Rush giving temperance lectures.

[cindyw]

71. Where is that tinfoil hat smilie face? I bet Kerry called him directly and

told him to say that stuff. Yeah and then I bet he got his S&B guys to fund that Osama ad. And then I bet he was behind the 9/11 attacks. I also heard that he led the invasion in Iraq.

[QC]

33. You can expect to see some of Dean's lines in GOP TV ads this fall

no matter who's the nominee, since he's made similar attacks on all of them.

When it comes to giving ammunition to the Republicans, Dean is second only to Lieberman.

[DemBones DemBones]

34. Is he ever going to learn?

Dean supporters love his attacks on other Dems, love his accusing other Dems of being Republicans, as you can see in this thread.

But everyone else, including all Democrats who don't support Dean, is getting very tired of Dean's whining. He's done it for months and months -- and when the others started fighting back, he whined about buckshot in his rear end, and complained to Terry McAuliffe that they should stop!

Howard, it's time to evaluate your campaign and realize you're not doing well running a negative campaign.

[Casablanca]

37. There's no way you can call Kerry on his complicity except ...

By just doing it. Sorry if it sounds like an unfair character slam to you, but his vote for the Iraq war and the Homeland Security Act go far beyond votes - they _are_ character issues.

[Dr. Mullion Blasto]

45. This is an excellent point, and

I am really losing patience with the idea so often repeated on this board that any indication of critical thinking and drawing distinctions is somehow negative campaigning. You just cannot think straight without making this sort of judgment, and if it turns out badly in comparison for your guy, well, that's just tough luck. It really is the case that Kerry has been a very opportunistic politician throughout his career. He is not alone in this proclivity, but I really hope Democrats figure this out before we are stampeded into accepting Dean-lite in the person of Kerry or Edwards. The votes you mention are character issues, and so is Kerry's rush to follow the Bush line and look for ways to blame the intelligence community for providing misleading information to Congress and the President. Come on, guys, millions of people throughout the world saw through this nonsense last spring and took to the streets to express their views, and you missed it because you were deceived?

[Casablanca]

49. 100% agreed. It's far better to have a President that will ...

Make mistakes, learn from them, and acknowledge them then someone who will make mistakes then grouse about how people didn't understand their intentions. It wasn't Bush's job to divine the intentions behind Kerry and Kucinich's pro-war vote, it was Kerry and Kucinich's job to make their intentions clear _by their vote_.

And both are better than a President who isn't even aware of mistakes as mistakes, doesn't listen, and doesn't give a sh*t what anyone else thinks. Even triangulators can be pressured.

[MuseRider]

55. Kucincich's pro war vote?

What? Are you talking about the IRW?

[Casablanca]

57. Nope, I was mistaken on DK voting for the war.

I was confusing that with DK's vote for the Patriot Act because his "defense" is identical to Kerry's and Edward's "defense" of their pro-war votes. And that "defense" is the main reason I'm not supporting any of them now.

[Forkboy]

63. DK also didn't vote for the Patriot Act

let alone defend it.

If that's your main reason for not supporting him you're making a mistake.

[Casablanca]

77. Yep again - DK voted for the 9.15 Anti-Terrorism Act, not the Patriot Act

Quoting my response on the other thread -

"HJRES 64 - the one where Barbara Lee was the sole dissenting vote. DK screwed up big time there. He helped to give carte blanche military authority to the executive branch as long as Bush could give some kind of story saying that it was necessary to catch 9/11 conspirators. It specified no oversight or objective criteria on what constituted a "9/11 conspirator".

And _that_ was the bill DK whined about "Well, we didn't _intend_ blah blah blah" Thanks for clearing that up."

[NashVegas]

84. Thank You!

400,000 marched in NYC!

Millions in London, Italy, Spain.

All these people who don't have access to the intelligence JK or any other member of congress has went out into the freezing cold. But congress was "mislead."

[cindyw]

69. Agreed. You missed my point. I think it is over the line for Dean to sugge

suggest that Kerry should be kicked out of Washington. That is what he said. That is too far. Kerry has dedicated his life for many years to liberal causes. To say that you do not want him as the nominee is one thing. To say that he should be kicked off his seat in the senate is another.

[Casablanca]

81. Yes, Pres candidates do make rhetorical comments now and then.

Saying that Kerry should be ridden out of Washington is an opinion, and should be considered a rhetorical comment. If Dean said that "I will personally see to it that Kerry is ridden out of Washington.", that would be a policy and a statement of political intentions.

I don't care who Dean thinks should be ridden out of Washington, because a President Dean will have to deal with a Senator Kerry despite how he feels.

Now, running an anti-lobbyist campaign after taking money from special interests while in office, that's a statement of character and political intention.

[mitchum]

41. Dean is a grandstanding blowhard

"What is the nature of a thing?"

[Southsideirish]

50. And Kerry is a blow dried, "on message" bore - so there! (n/t)

And incidentally, what does the "nature of a thing" mean?

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[Andromeda]

99. Kerry is a pontificating, droning blowhard.

A thing is a thing is a thing.

[KaraokeKarlton]

43. Boo freaking hoo

Maybe Kerry shouldn't have had his phone bankers call voters in Iowa and suggest that Dean isn't electable because his wife and kids are Jews. Maybe Kerry shouldn't have been attacking Dean non-stop for the last few months.

It's Kerry's turn to pick the buckshot out of his rearend. Hopefully Dean will keep him busy enough doing that so that he has to stop pirating Dean's message and goes on the defensive.

Kerry is going down, and the sooner the better. They all did their best to destroy Dean and Kerry was front and center in those efforts. I call it Karma. Kerry asked to "bring it on", so we're bringing it. Let's see if he can handle it. It's not looking like he can, at least many of his supporters don't seem to be able to. I might offer the same advice given to me by many Kerry supporters over the last few months...get a thicker skin.

[Zomby Woof]

91. Kerry is going down?

Like those independent swing voters in NH were supposed to do to him? Vote for Dean and leave Kerry in the dust?

Oh wait, that didn't work, did it?

[JNelson6563]

44. "too far"????

You're kidding right??

Perhaps the person who pm'd me what's in my sig line didn't have me in mind after all....

:shrug:

Julie

[progressivebydesign]

46. Special interest deal ruined the party. Dean is just honest.

If strengthening the party includes lying down and accepting the dangerous influence Corporate America has on our lives, then I won't be in this party any longer. If I have to worship men in 3,000 dollar suits, then I'll go Green or Independent. I want my party back!!!

[Hippo_Tron]

48. I'm pissed at Dean and Kerry...

Kerry's negative campaigning turned me to support Wes Clark for a while but then when Kerry started to make a comeback I switched back to him because I felt like he has the best chance of beating Bush. Truthfully Kerry, Gephardt, and Lieberman started this whole anti-Dean thing which I think might've been a big mistake. Howard Dean really is somebody that I'd like to have on my campaign if I were running for any office, and it's a shame that because of these disputes during the primary that he probably won't campaign for whoever the nominee is should he not be the nominee.

[slinkerwink]

53. John Kerry is NOT an effective senator for Massachussetts!!!!

[mzmolly]

54. Oh please spare me the dividing the party stuff. Do you recall the

Osama ads and the numerous attacks Dean survived in the media and on DU?

I am glad he's fighting *back*

[cindyw]

67. By saying that Kerry should lose his current job also?

Also, there is no proof that Kerry had anything to do with the Osama Ad.

[quaker bill]

60. Good for Howard

Glad to see that he has decided to return fire.

[George_Bonanza]

66. You know what Dr. Dean? We don't care what you say anymore

[Forkboy]

70. Some feel the same way about Kerry

Of course with Kerry if you don't like what he says just wait a day or two and he'll tell you something different.

[JVS]

72. Sure

I'll believe that when these "Dean said such and such horrible thing that fills me with rage" threads stop showing up.

[Cuban_Liberal]

73. awwwwww......

It's called politics. If Sen. kerry is an ethical cripple, betterw e know now rather than later.:nopity:

[Exgeneral]

75. Live by the sword, Sen. Kerry

#1 in special interest money
past 10 years.

Spin that any way you like, it's still in the Washington Post for all to read.

Why take Howard Dean to task for it?

[Cuban_Liberal]

76. Because blaming howard Dean is the flavor of the month.

Surely you don't suggest that St. John himself could be responsible for his own mess? :P

[Nicholas_J]

79. Interesting from Dean

Who has collected a good deal of his campign funding from special interests, but he is aware of the last loophole left in cmapaign contributions, bundling. You have the corporation or welathy individuals divide multiple contributions into smaller chunks and send them in at different times. Otherwise how could have Dean collected 60,000 from Time Warner:

Candidates help their supporters


Howard Dean's top career patrons are Time Warner, $65,225; Microsoft Corp., $25,100, and IBM Corp., $23,250.

http://www.benningtonbanner.com/Stories/0,1413,104~8676~1880270,00.htm...

Dean raises money from energy sources
February 27, 2002

By David Gram

ASSOCIATED PRESS

MONTPELIER — When Gov. Howard Dean wanted to raise money for a possible presidential bid, he followed the example of a former governor of Texas and called on his friends in the energy industry.

Nearly a fifth of the roughly $111,000 collected in its first months by Dean’s presidential political action committee, the Fund for a Healthy America, came from people with ties to Vermont’s electric utilities, according to a recent Federal Elections Commission filing.

It should be no surprise. Dean and utility executives have had a long and friendly relationship.

One donor who gave Dean’s PAC the maximum amount allowed — $5,000 — said he did so because he and his wife “agree with many of the things the fund is talking about — fiscal conservatism, education, health care.”

http://timesargus.com/Legislature/Story/43125.html

Claims that Dean has been given funds by spcial interests also abound:

seeks details of Dean administration’s talks with utilities
March 11, 2002

(from the State section)
By SUSAN SMALLHEER Southern Vermont Bureau

MONTPELIER — The Conservation Law Foundation will file a freedom of information request with the Dean administration today to find out how many contacts it has had with Vermont utility executives over the pending sale of the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant.

Mark Sinclair, senior attorney with the environmental group, said Monday that recent news reports about the financial contributions made by Vermont utility executives or board members to Gov. Howard Dean’s presidential campaign political action committee were “too much of a coincidence.”

Sinclair said the new offer from Entergy Nuclear of Jackson, Miss., last week wasn’t substantially better than the original bid, and doesn’t really address the serious concerns raised by the state earlier this winter about local control and other economic issues.

http://rutlandherald.com/Archive/Articles/Article/43924

But there are even more suspect connections, related to a group of Republicans called "Republicans for Dean"

Some Republicans back Dean
By TRACY SCHMALER Vermont Press Bureau

MONTPELIER - Democratic Gov. Howard Dean got a boost from the other side Thursday when a group of prominent Republicans turned out to support his re-election bid.

[] by South Burlington attorney William Gilbertcore group of 11 Republicans said they believed Dean has proven his ability to lead the state in a fiscally responsible direction and for that reason, and his nine years of experience, he is their choice over GOP candidate Ruth Dwyer...

Gilbert, a former member of the late Gov. Richard Snelling's administration, said he took the initiative to form the group, which boasts a membership of more than 30 moderate Republicans from around the state who back Dean.

He said the committee would support Dean's candidacy by reaching out to other moderates in the party well as helping Dean with fund-raising.

http://www.rutlandherald.com/election2000/repbackdean.html




But this william Gilbert it the same William Gilbert who was the head of Deans secret energy task force, and also an executive for Vermont Utilities Companies:

Dean, Cheney And Energy Secrecy

Dean's Vermont re-election campaign received only small contributions from energy executives, but a political action committee created as he prepared to run for president collected $19,000, or nearly a fifth of its first $110,000, from donors tied to Vermont's electric utilities.

One co-chairman of Dean's task force, William Gilbert, was a Republican lawyer who had done work for state utilities. At the time, Gilbert also served on the board of Vermont Gas Systems, a subsidiary of Hydro Quebec.

Many state legislators, including Dean's fellow Democrats, were angered that the task force met secretly.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/26/politics/main590311.shtml




And how universities(who are also special interests) have contributed a significant sum of Dean's total contributions:

Campus cash crucial to candidates
UC faculty, staff are among Democrat Howard Dean's biggest contributors

By Josh Richman, STAFF WRITER

Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean and President George W. Bush are big men on campus when it comes to fund raising, a campaign finance watchdog group has found.

And no U.S. university or college is friendlier to Dean than the University of California, the Center for Responsive Politics found in a study of presidential campaign contributors from the education sector. UC system faculty and staff had anted up $51,124 for the former Vermont governor by Sept. 30, more than twice the amount given by donors from the next-closest university on the list -- Harvard, at $24,150....

Dean collected almost $719,000 from education interests through Sept. 30, ranking that sector third most-lucrative behind retirees ($1.6 million) and lawyers ($932,000).

Among other contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination, education is the 10th most lucrative sector ($325,915) for U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.; eighth ($174,324) for U.S. Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C.; 15th ($107,420) for U.S. Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo.; ninth ($207,640) for U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn.; third ($119,898) for retired Gen. Wesley Clark; third ($69,809) for U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio; 16th ($3,250) for former U.S. Sen. Carol Moseley Braun; and 18th ($2,990) for the Rev. Al Sharpton.



http://www.sanmateocountytimes.com/Stories/0,1413,87~11268~1870457,00.html

So Dean collected significant bundled finds from universities, which could serve these special interests well, as the Higher Education Act, which funds billions of dollars in federal student-aid programs, comes up for reauthorization next year...

And nealy a million from lawyers, who Kerry is being criticized for collecting money from.

Sorry, but Dean is just as guilty of colecting large sums from special interests, just that sepending on how your campaign asks the funds to be contributed, can have a rather large effect on how you cna claim your finds are donated. Just because you can claim an average of less than 100 dollars per contributor, doesnt mean you do not have some very rich people contributing 100 dollars 20 times. Or that in order for a large organization to contribute large sums, it doesnt give money to its employees to donate to campaigns.

This is the way that the Koch Brothers of Koch industries managed to skirt campaign finance laws and contribute nearly 25 million to Bush's 2000 campaign. By contributing 2000 dollars for 11250 of its employees (give them a 2000 bonus to contribute to the cnadidate of their choice and let them know which candidate you expect that to be, using any variety of inducements)





Physician, health thyself.

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[hellhathnofury]

82. Cry me a river.

[NashVegas]

83. What's More Worth Getting Angry About?

That Dean was calling Kerry a hypocrite days before the press caught on?

That Dean decided one good turn deserves another and used Kerry's line?

[genius]

85. Good post. Dean is acting like a desparate sore loser

This can only hurt him.

[MurikanDemocrat]

87. Dean is becoming more and more irrelevant

He's not only writing off the 7 states in tomorrow's primary, but in Michigan where he counting on a win, a new poll released shows Kerry now leading by double digits.

This kind of negative and divisive attack rhetoric spewed by Dean may impress and rally some people here, but it's not impressing people in the real world - American mainstream showing up at the polls are overwhelmingly choosing Kerry or other candidates.

It won't be long, a few more weeks maybe, and Dean will be out of the picture altogether.

[joshcryer]

89. Deal with it.

;)

[cindyw]

90. I am and I have. You forget who I back. Dean got where he is by attacking

Kerry. I can handle it. I just wanted to point out that I think it is wrong for a potential president to begin by suggesting that good Dems should be kicked out of the Senate. Come on. He's one of the most progressive Dems in the Senate. We need more people like him. Not less.

[Andromeda]

95. Dean's not trying to weaken the party.

And maybe you'd better open your eyes and understand that the Democratic party needs a little shaking up. The establishment Dems have gotten too cozy with special interests and the DLC has pulled the party too far to the right. In 2000 we had a president who was APPOINTED in the most blatant power grab in the history of this country and the Democrats said NOTHING!

I don't recall Kerry making any comments on this disgraceful event. It's shameful the way it was ignored---simply shameful.

Maybe you have forgotten, or "moved on" like the politicians like to say but I haven't. I'm just as angry now as I was then when the stupidest man in the country was handed the presidency on a silver platter by five crooks on the Supreme Court.

We may need Kerry's body in the Senate but we don't need him in the White House. Where was he when he was needed?

Good for Dean if he is making waves and ruffling a few feathers. The "party" may not like it but it's good for AMERICA.