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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:33 PM
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Wow...CNN: Kerry 53% - Bush 46%
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 03:34 PM by blm
New CNN Gallup poll.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:34 PM
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1. ruh roh
If anyone has a fallout shelter, I'd like to hop in it about now. bad things are on the horizon when Bush's numbers go down.
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OutlawCorporatePolls Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:45 PM
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27. Here comes the ole electibility poll
lol. CNN? they are Kerry's #2 contributor of all time. click on my signature line. i smell conflict of interest here. What 600 people did they actually call? and how do WE know HOW they pick them? CNN should get out of the poll biz.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:47 PM
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30. Um, Quinnipiac has Kerry by 8
Are they also one of his big "contributors"?
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OutlawCorporatePolls Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:57 PM
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35. elecitibility has to do with the issues NOW.
the race is in november. u dont think the war is going to get worse?

lol.

the corporate parties are trying to take out the war as an issue. wake up everyone.

http://dailywarnews.blogspot.com/
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:02 PM
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38. How is having Kerry as the nominee remove the war
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 04:03 PM by lancdem
as an issue? A vote for IWR doesn't mean you can't attack Bush for his handling of Iraq. Bush is vulnerable on Iraq, and any of our candidates can campaign on that. BTW, you never answered my question about Quinnipiac. You can't dismiss one poll and ignore another with basically the same results.

BTW, I'm "awake," thank you.
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:34 PM
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2. Who would give an arm to have the election today?
Can we freeze time.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:37 PM
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10. Yep, this very second
:)
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:42 PM
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26. An arm hell, I'd give a testicle :)
I'm not using them right now anyway :) :) :).
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:35 PM
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3. Nothing but noise
The election is 9 months away...these polls are meaningless
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:37 PM
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11. Looks damn good for Kerry's electability
Would you prefer the numbers be reversed?
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:40 PM
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22. True.
Bush has slipped off the radar for the time being and he is also enduring fallout from his by some accounts disastrous State of the Union address. Meanwhile, Kerry has had huge victories in Iowa and New Hampshire and is poised to win a majority of the February 3 states. He's got momentum that is really carrying him (no pun intended). Not to say that he couldn't legitimately beat Bush at this point, but these numbers are probably a little soft.

Not too shabby a starting point though. A couple years ago I would have assumed we'd be at 60-40 disadvantage at this point.
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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:13 PM
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69. Yeah, but lets enjoy this pll while we can
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:35 PM
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4. Yeah, whatever it takes to give Kerry the nod.
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:36 PM
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5. I sense a February Surprise
to destroy Kerry before he gets a head of steam rolling.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:40 PM
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19. I wouldn't put it past them
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:04 PM
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41. Sorry to say you are probably correct. Or Rove will plan a
"terrorist attack", so Bush can talk about "smokin' 'em out"
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:54 PM
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56. No, it won't be an attack - but that they foiled
the most dastardly attack ever on the US "homeland" thanks to W and Ridge (read future VP) due to their vigilance on National Security measures. All unprovable of course.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:36 PM
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6. 58% favor Democrats 49% favor Rethugs!!!!!
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 03:40 PM by TheDonkey
That was a great poll for us!! Let's hope it gets better and better.

Got a little excited, I had to reword to make more sense.
The question asked which party holds more of your views. It wasn't an either or I suspect.
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:38 PM
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15. That adds up to 108%...what gives?
But, I'll say AMEN to a 10 pt lead of phony figures!
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:38 PM
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16. That can't be right
59 plus 49 is 108. Where did you see that? Is there a link?
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:42 PM
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25. My mistake, aired on CNN
+-3% margin of error.

Not an either or question (doesn't need to add to 100%).
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:56 PM
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58. USA Today
Go to their website and the link to the poll

What he's referring to are the approval/disapproval ratings of the two major parties

Democrats are viewed favorably by 59, Repubs <49[/b>. Plus the Dem disapproval is quite low, and the Republicans is 45!!
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:36 PM
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7. what was the question?
Who did they ask?
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:57 PM
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65. Usual head to head as over the past 6 months
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:36 PM
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8. It's time to get Osama n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:37 PM
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13. Yup
He wil be dragged out of a mountain any day now.
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:38 PM
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14. what does "n/t" mean?
I've seen that all over the place, but I don't know what that refers to. Thanks, I'm still pretty new here
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:39 PM
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17. It means no text
No text in the post. That way you don't have to click on it. eom means End of message. Same concept.
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:40 PM
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21. Thank you n/t
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:39 PM
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18. no text (in the message body) n/t
Tricked you!!
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Raenelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:40 PM
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23. It means no text
Just a headline, and no comments in the message section.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:36 PM
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9. WOW
:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

That is amazing. They showed that on TV? HOLY SHIT :)
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:37 PM
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12. Wow, I didn't realize this is the second poll to show this.
n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:40 PM
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20. That should give second thoughts to anyone thinking of voting ....
for anyone other than Kerry...especially the day before the primaries. :) Of course, CNN would never try ot manipulate by using polls, we all know that....they can't trick us...we're too smart for 'em.....
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:46 PM
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29. I think this is about a lot more than John Kerry, frankly
I think we're seeing an enormous hungering by a majority in this country for an alternative to Bush. And that's potentially very bad news for Chimpy.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:43 PM
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53. Right you are
at the CNN site they have Edwards behind by 1 pt, Clark by only 2pts, all within MOE. However on air, they are giving different info.
As usual, our guy gets left out.

Congrats to Kerry people, but Clark & Edwards are still in there.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:42 PM
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24. Matches Quinnipiac almost exactly
in that one, Kerry's ahead by 8. BTW, I wonder what Bush's approval rating is. And don't forget, CNN/Gallup often has polls more favorable to Bush than others.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:45 PM
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28. I hope you all realize that it's all downhill from here
Kerry is benefiting from a huge bounce as a result of the surge in news coverage. Something similar will happen after the covention. But the numbers will settle down.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:48 PM
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31. Agree, but to topple a supposed "popular" war time incumbant
AT ALL during this time is impressive.

Definetly not a smooth ride to the WH, Kerry's gonna have to fight like hell if we wants to beat bush.... then again the primary isn't over yet.

But JK has definetly got the Joementum. ;)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:57 PM
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36. Yeah...Joe Wilson, Joementum....heh.
.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:49 PM
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32. Gee
I bet you are always the life of the party. (sarcasm)
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:52 PM
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34. Sure, November's a long way away
but what's making this possible is the drop in Bush's approval rating. If that stays below 50 percent, we have a good shot, and not just with our current front-runner. I still believe the race will be close, and Bush's major problems with indy voters are a liability for him that could cost him the election.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:47 PM
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54. I think it shows our message is getting out
This nomination is great for the Dems. We are sucking the oxygen away from Shrub.

We need to keep it going.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:52 PM
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33. Bush approval 49% on CNN n/t
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:58 PM
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37. Thanks!
That's about the same as other polls in the past week.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:03 PM
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39. Back in 1988, Dukakis was ahead in the polls too...
I remember how happy I was when Dukakis was ahead in the polls in 1988 against Bush.

Remember that often perception trumps reality. If our party runs a Massachusetts "liberal" as the nominee--it may be a big mistake. Many of us can see what Rove and crew are going to do with it and it will not be pleasant.

Why take the risk??
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:10 PM
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43. But this is not 1988
and Kerry is not Michael Dukakis. I believe that tactic won't work as effectively as they think it will. After all, Bush is the one who created a massive deficit, not a "tax-and-spend" liberal. Bush has zero credibility.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:01 PM
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68. zero credibility
that's where Bush is in big trouble. I can't imagine very many people taking anything he says seriously anymore.

That, and the fact that he will be protested everywhere he goes, and that Cheney can't show his face, aren't good in a presidential campaign.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:18 PM
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62. Not this early in the election cycle - and not against the
president (bush was vp) who had exceptionally high poll numbers just six or so months ago... This is very different.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:03 PM
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40. Edwards ahead of Bush by 1 pt
in the same poll. Gallup has not officially released the results yet, and on TV they didnt give the actualt numbers for Edwards, just that he was the only other candidate leading Bush.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:12 PM
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45. Or maybe not.
Here are the actual numbers (from CNN.com)
4% MoE
Bush 46% Kerry 53%
Bush 49% Edwards 48%
Bush 50% Clark 47%
Bush 52% Dean 45%

Primary numbers
Kerry 49%
Dean 14%
Edwards 13%
Clark 9%
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:15 PM
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47. Nice to see Edwards and Clark within MOE
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:55 PM
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57. Or maybe so
They got it right on TV, and have corrected the article on CNN. Edwards 49 Bush 48. Two candidates beating Bush and one within striking distance. Clark and Edwards need to start hammering this to take away the elect-ability issue from Kerry.
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Edge Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:05 PM
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42. Polls are stupid.
I don't understand why people religiously follow them. :shrug:

They tell us nothing.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:11 PM
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44. Evidently can't even tell me
what the question was and who they asked. :shrug: But believe it because you saw it here.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:13 PM
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46. They give us snapshots
and can capture trends. But they are fickle.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:52 PM
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48. Excellent
Of course that's before an actual campaign when they come out with their ads smearing John.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:57 PM
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49. This is great news
It may mean that people are rallying around the perceived front-runner, but it could be a positive sign for all our candidates if this is true.

I don't watch CNN, MSRNC, and Faux very much - I don't expect Faux to be reporting these new polls much, but are CNN and MSGOP reporting them?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:57 PM
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50. Wow, a guy who escaped media scrutiny for the past month is polling well!
Stop the presses!
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:07 PM
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51. That's a point to think about
But Dean's had especially bad press lately. If they savage our nominee in the same way, a media savvy nominee may be able to overcome things. As stated in What Liberal Media?, Bush knows how to work the press.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:27 PM
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52. Absolutely Beautiful Data
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:47 PM
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55. I hope these numbers aren't like this on election day...
Because then CNN will do what they did last time and predict the winners so people won't come out to vote.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:14 PM
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59. CNN poll the day Kerry swes up nomination: Bush 66 Kerry 34
If you believe these polls now, folks, will you believe them when the media turns?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:17 PM
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60. The best thing.... was having to watch Bill Schnieder report it to Wolf
and have them both keep a straight face... Especially when Schnieder pointed out that the lead - was bigger than the margin of error.

I almost never watch CNN during the afternoon - had it on for a few minutes and caught it... loved not only the news - but the quiet squirming these two had to do while reporting it. They don't hide their GOP tilt very well.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:17 PM
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61. Kerry Polls Much Better Than Dean Because Kerry Is a Stable Candidate
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:19 PM
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63. The Freepers are shitting their pants.
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 07:19 PM by poskonig
Go over to the Kerry 53% thread at FreakRepublic. It is a riot!
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freetempe Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:21 PM
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64. So what? Bush led Gore by 10% at this point in 2000
And Bush LOST. What's your point? Putting up a useless poll to prove Kerry's electablity? YAWN.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:18 PM
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66. That's very nice....but we are away's away from November.....and
things change every day.....
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:25 PM
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67. I see 2 things with the 2 latest polls showing Kerry over Bush
Foremost I think the majority of voters really do want to replace Bush, and two, they are searching for who that replacement is going to be. At this point most people seem to like Kerry.
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