Sleeps With Wolves ( John Kerry and Monsanto )

[TeeYiYi]

"You can fool some of the people all the time.
You can fool all the people some of the time.
But you can't fool all the people all the time."
--Abraham Lincoln.

Sleeps With Wolves

Just when I was starting to like the guy...

Guess who is sleeping with the enemy? The
strangest of bedfellows, John Kerry and Monsanto.
America's new nightmare couple.

Kerry is the man who claims that he does not
take corporate money. My research has taken me inside
of Kerry's brain. Malkovich, Malkovich. Kerry, Kerry.
Try to avoid the manure, as you slide through the
tunnel of this man's slippery synapses.

Kerry and Monsanto, sitting in a tree.
Kissing and promoting B-S-T.
First comes love, then comes marriage,
There's no justice, just a Kerry miscarriage.

The law firm of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, et. al., specializes
in biotechnology law. One of their most important clients
is Monsanto. Call today's column a lesson in trickle-down
economics. Call it an example of a carefully laid out
political agenda. Kerry wants you to believe that he
accepts no donations from corporations. Kerry's lie that
just plain folk contribute to his campaign is phony
politics at its worst. He has carefully hidden the twisted
route that dollars take before reaching his pocket. Make
no mistake about it. Kerry is no better than a common crook.

JFK (John-Fraud-Kerry), the man who would tiptoe
a circuitous path around election finance laws.

One very connected attorney with Mintz, Levin & Cohn is
David Leiter. Leiter now works for the Bush administration
in the Department of Energy. Leiter served as Kerry's Chief
of Staff for six years. Is there really a difference between
Democrat and Republican in these United States? These
insider-traders prove again and again that politics is the
best cash business in America. Leiter has raised nearly
$20 million for just three political campaigns.

Interesting aside regarding of the law firm of Mintz,
Levin and Cohn and the George Bush cabinet. This firm
represented Biogen, the maker of the genetically engineered
Flavor-Saver Tomato. Biogen was purchased by Monsanto
at a time when Ann Veneman was on its board of directors.
Today, Ann Veneman is America's Secretary of Agriculture.
Mintz, Levin & Cohn arranged the financing for the initial
public stock offering of Biogen.

While we will never be privy to cash transactions and
deals made behind close doors, what financial services
have Mintz, Levin & Cohn performed on the record for Kerry?

After examining campaign donations from 1997 through 2002,
I determined that Kerry's top three contributions came from
Boston Fleet Bank ($75,694), Verizon Communications ($65,862),
and Mintz, Levin & Cohn, et. al. ($54,700).

So, how much has the firm given Kerry for his 2004 run
by Mintz, Levin & Cohn? The shocker: $112,250!

This man is a people's person?

Mintz, Levin, Cohn has acted as counsel in funding biotech
acquisitions by raising nearly $800 million. They do
much more than that for Monsanto. Mintz, Levin & Cohn
also represents Monsanto in PCB litigation.

Kerry's association with Mintz, Levin, Cohn is as deep as
his relationship with Monsanto and other biotech companies.
In 2000, after Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced a
labeling law that would have given Americans the right to
know whether the foods they ate contained genetically
modified organisms, Kerry refused to support that bill.
Now you know why. He has been bought and paid for by the
biotech industry.

Over the weekend, Kerry was accused of being just another
good old boy Republican by a fellow Democrat. Kerry remarked:

"I've spent a career fighting against special interests.
I'll take a second seat to nobody in this race with respect
to my lifetime fights against special interests and my efforts
to run campaigns on a high standard."

Kerry insisted that he had accepted no money from political
action committees or "special interests."

Tomorrow, February 3, 2003, Americans vote in seven primaries.

Arizona
Delaware
Missouri
New Mexico
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Carolina

Tuesday's victories might propel Kerry far ahead of
the field for the Democratic presidential nomination.
There is but one vehicle that can stop Kerry at
this eleventh hour. It's called the Internet. Your
activism can insure that millions of voters see
this critically important truth--before it is too late.

A message can be sent to Mr. Kerry that "politics as usual"
can no longer be tolerated. Kerry campaigns on issues of
integrity, claiming that he is beholden to no corporate
sponsors. This man lies by informing Americans that his
financial support comes from individuals like you and me.
Faced with this fantastic evidence, would you cast your
ballot for a liar such as John Kerry?

Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com

From: "Robert Cohen" <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon Feb 2, 2004 4:32:54 AM US/Pacific
Posted in its entirety with permission from Robert Cohen.

TYY

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. I was raised by wolves.

Does that count?

[democratreformed]

2. God, not Monsanto!!!

That ugly monopoly? What next? Bunge? Riceland? Ugh!!

[blm]

10. Here's the facts

To smear Kerry as beholden to Monsanto is ABSURD, since Kerry is also the TOP environmentalist in the race.

Just because a LAW FIRM has given Kerry money doesn't mean he carries water for all their clients.

btw....that law firm is where his BROTHER works and those coworkers made INDIVIDUAL donations to Kerry over the last 19 years. There was no pac money involved.

Get your story straight. Are you saying that his brother and coworkers would NOR have donated to Kerry's campaign for 19 years unless he did their bidding?

$220,000 over a 19 year period shows how ETHICAL Kerry is. Especially since Bush gets more than that in 1 election from 1 Pioneer.

[democratreformed]

15. I'm sorry, blm

I didn't even read the whole thing b/c I know that charges like these are completely baseless. I get really frustrated with the round the world things people come up with that tie people together and imply that someone is evil. I just saw Monsanto and had to comment. We are contractors for the grain, feed, and seed industry and I am very familiar with the name. I have watched as our industry has become increasingly controlled by big names as the result of mergers and takeovers just like many others.

[Eloriel]

23. Wouldn't be the first time Kerry tried to have it both ways n/t

[KoKo]

33. Heinz ketchup needs lots of those juicy GM Tomatos which Monsanto produces

Monsanto/Kerry/Heinz/Theresa=GM Modified foods! Got it? Heinz does deal with Monsanto and both companies make big profits. Consumer doesn't know because "labeling" has been delayed and everyone's very happy! Theresa can give her foundations more money and Kerry can get the legislation through to give big tax breaks to Monsanto for producing, delay the labeling longer, and more breaks to Heinz for breaking ground on such an important export for the US! VOILA!

[TeeYiYi]

34. Exactly . . .

. . . see post #30.

TYY

[blm]

50. The Heinz Co. was sold a few years back.

Teresa wanted to stick with running the Heinz Foundation.

[creativelcro]

3. yeah, that's they kerry I know. Way to go senator

[THUNDER HANDS]

4. ah yes, the stop-kerry foces will mobalize

Unfortunately for them, they'll be as successful as that "perfect storm" strategy in Iowa was.

[blm]

5. One of Dean's top advisors is former Monsanto VP Toby Moffett and

he is also a top lobbyist for war profiteering firms.


To smear Kerry as beholden to Monsanto is ABSURD, since Kerry is also the TOP environmentalist in the race.

Just because a LAW FIRM has given Kerry money doesn't mean he carries water for all their clients.

btw....that law firm is wher his BROTHER works and those coworkers made INDIVIDUAL donations to Kerry over the last 19 years. There was no pac money involved.

Get your story straight. Are you saying that his brother and coworkers would NOR have donated to Kerry's campaign for 19 years unless he did their bidding?

$220,000 over a 19 year period shows how ETHICAL Kerry is. Especially since Bush gets more than that in 1 election from 1 Pioneer.

Care to acknowledge the farcity of your charge against Kerry?

[sangh0]

6. Crisis in Agriculture in Vermont

http://www.vtce.org/deancrisisagvt.html

[chocolateeater]

8. Is their a way to defend your candidate from this

without just sliming Dean. Come up with something more constructive please. Responding to a charge like this with the "well Dean is worse" argument, is counterproductive. edit: See Post #7 for guidance.

[blm]

9. See #5. This is a BOGUS, trumped up charge.

Cohen is EXAGGERATING every step of the way to make his case by association.

[chocolateeater]

11. Thank You. n/t

[KoKo]

48. kick

:kick:

[jobycom]

7. Those of you wondering what Bush will try to do to Kerry..

Here's phase one: Split his own party on him. Happened in 2000, it's happening again. They'll do it if Dean wins, if Edwards wins, etc.

Tell the big lie, find a loose connection or two, blablabla. Soon his own family will think he's corrupt.

Did anyone learn anything by watching Al Gore get this same treatment? Anyone?

Sheesh.

I'm watching this locally in Austin, too. We have a judicial candidate clearly more qualified than her opponent. She partnered in a law firm that worked on redistricting, and suddenly everyone is accusing her of supporting redistricting-- a kiss of death in Austin. Thing is, she's a life-long Democrat running against someone who was a Republican a decade ago, but her credentials, and not her opponent's are questioned.

So one of Kerry's donor is a law firm that works for Monsanto, and this somehow worms it's way into a rambling, self-amused diatribe claiming Kerry is compromised? Geeze, Karl Rove is good.

On edit: The Lincoln quote never actually came from Lincoln. It's a myth historians try to debunk from time to time, but obviously fail to.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

28. Did anyone learn anything by watching Al Gore get this same treatment?

I learned from watching him vote. Monsanto has nothing to do with it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. Mintz, Levin and Cohn is a HUGE law firm with practices in virtually EVERY

international area of law including anti-trust and many other issues.

If you want to BLAME ANYONE for Monsanto's grip on trade, biotech etc, then the REAL blame goes to Reagan, Poppy Bush and Bill Clinton ALL of whom cozied up to Monsanto. Monsanto is NOT M,L C's onyl client however.

This guilt by association is no more relevant than saying Dean is beholden to the industries his new campaign manager represented.

The OTHER issue is this. Kerry gets a 92% overall rating from the League of Conservation Voters who have endorsed him. It is the EARLIEST endorsement EVER of a candidate in their history. He gets a higher rating than Ted Kennedy.

[jobycom]

13. There you go again

Bringing facts to a demogogical debate.

You sound like a lawyer! :-)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. I'm DESPERATELY trying to return myself to my inner arbiter

The past few days it has been hard and I failed miserably...it's a new day.

[democratreformed]

16. I know it gets frustrating, but I have to point out that you did not fail

I don't know if you saw my thank-you on the JK and troops thread. Just in case you didn't, I'll take this opportunity to sincerely thank you again for you resolve to provide solid information on a topic that was and is very important to me. Thanks to you, I no longer feel that JK will draft my son-in-law and send him off to war. That being said, it does seem really tense around here today. I know that I, for one, have some incredible jitters about tomorrow.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. Thanks I did see your note and appreciated it

[TeeYiYi]

18. $112,250 from MLC for 2004 seems like a lot . . .

re: $220,000 over a 19 year period shows how ETHICAL Kerry is.


This from the article:

So, how much has the firm given Kerry for his 2004 run
by Mintz, Levin & Cohn? The shocker: $112,250!

This man is a people's person?

Mintz, Levin, Cohn has acted as counsel in funding biotech
acquisitions by raising nearly $800 million. They do
much more than that for Monsanto. Mintz, Levin & Cohn
also represents Monsanto in PCB litigation.

Kerry's association with Mintz, Levin, Cohn is as deep as
his relationship with Monsanto and other biotech companies.
In 2000, after Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced a
labeling law that would have given Americans the right to
know whether the foods they ate contained genetically
modified organisms, Kerry refused to support that bill.
Now you know why. He has been bought and paid for by the
biotech industry.

TYY

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. AGAIN PCB is a HUGE issue for the League of Conservation voters

If Kerry were double dealing in that regard I DOUBT such an org would support him.

[jobycom]

20. Kevin Bacon politics

The vote was before the 112K. So a law firm that represented Monsanto AS WELL AS a lot of other clients gave Kerry on average a grand a year, and that's why he voted against the modified food bill?

Sorry. I don't see it.

[TeeYiYi]

35. $112,250 from Mintz, Levin & Cohn was for 2004 ONLY . . .

. . . After his claim of only taking money from people, and demonstrating that he has accepted $112,250 from Mintz Levin this year. Numbers tell a story.

TYY

[blm]

22. And Kerry is the BEST environmentalist candidate Dems ever had.

Care to dispute that?

[TeeYiYi]

26. If Kerry is such an environmentalist . . .

. . . why did he not support Barbara Boxer's Bill to label foods containing genetically modified organisms?

TYY

[blm]

27. who knows if he was even there at the time...

last time someone criticized Kerry for not voting for something, he was at his dying mother's bedside.

Point fingers when you KNOW something. There was alot of misleding rhetoric in this hitpiece so why should it be believed?

[TeeYiYi]

30. Not only did he NOT support Senator Boxer's senate bill . . .

. . . the Genetically Engineered Food Right-to-Know Act of February 2000 (S. 2080), but he's on record as helping Senator Christopher Bond (R-Missouri) fight against both it and Dennis Kucinich's house bill — HR 3883, "The Genetically Engineered Food Safety Act" which was introduced in October 1999.

_____

American Legislators’ Attempts to Contain GMOs 

The concern over the safety of genetically engineered products has also begun to infiltrate U.S. politics. In October 1999, Representatives David Bonior, Dennis Kucinich, and Chris Shayes and 46 other House members sent a letter to FDA Commissioner Jane Henney calling for mandatory labelling of genetically engineered foods. A month later, Representative Kucinich introduced Bill H.R. 3377, the "Genetically Engineered Food Right to Know Act, ” which states that all foods that contain or are produced with genetically engineered material must be labeled as follows:   

GENETICALLY ENGINEERED

United States Government Notice: This product contains genetically engineered material, or was produced with a genetically engineered material.  

The bill has garnered the support of fifty co-sponsors and is currently awaiting review in the House Subcommittee on Health and the Environment. In late February this year, Barbara Boxer introduced a similar bill (S. 2080) in the Senate.  

On March 9, 2000, Representative Kucinich upped the ante further when he introduced bill HR 3883, "The Genetically Engineered Food Safety Act.” This bill would require all GM foods to be examined for allergenicity, unintended effects, toxicity, functional characteristics, and nutrient levels—in addition to passing FDA’s regulations for food additives. The bill would also require the FDA to 1) allow a public comment period of at least thirty days once a completed safety application is available to the public, and 2) disclose all studies performed by the applicant to the public.  Bill HR 3883 has the support of nine co-sponsors.  

Passing these bills, however, will not be easy. On January 26, 2000, Senator Christopher Bond (R-Missouri) testified before the U.S. Senate on the benefits and politics of biotechnology, accusing "some elements of the European Union” of seeking to provide "short-term protection to their farmers…. limit the productivity of foreign farmers” by exploiting public fears of genetically engineered foods. <5> Senator Bond, with the support of 23 other Senators, <6> urged the Administration to be firm in its negotiations on biotechnology products, and to not yield from its insistence on science-based, rather than politically influenced, risk assessments.  Senator Bond also criticized food companies that have chosen to forego using GM inputs in their products for "knowingly undermining our scientists and trade negotiators to placate the Luddites and protectionists.”  

<5> Congressional Record, pages S58-S63.

<6> Senators who supported Bond were Kerry, Durbin, Hagel, Craig, Frist, Conrad, Lugar, Gorton, Grassley, Ashcroft, Robb, Burns, Grams, Gordon, Smith, Baucus, Helms, Hutchinson, Roberts, Bayh, Brownback, Crapo, and Coverdell.

http://www.commercialdiplomacy.org/ma_projects/ma_sandblom4.htm

TYY

On Edit: typo in subject line

[KoKo]

45. TeeYiYi, Thanks for the documentation on this! The connection of Heinz

Monsanto shouldn't be ignored. The issue of GM Foods is very important to many Democrats. We shouldn't give Kerry or Theresa (no matter how much she gives to "enviro funds" a pass on this, just because of an "electability" factor.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

29. I don't know, I'll research it..there was another bill by Kucinich so he

may have voted for another version.

[Snivi Yllom]

21. yucky stuff

;(

[sangh0]

24. Dean and Monsanto

http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/24/monsanto.html

"The Monsanto Corporation's legal eagles have been busier than ever this year, firing off one legal threat after another to journalists, book publishers, and even an entire state. Monsanto, the multi-billion-dollar agribusiness giant that has brought the world products such as Agent Orange and synthetic bovine growth hormone (rBGH), revels in the perverted US legal system that has slowly conferred constitutional rights to the fictions known as corporations. This is why Monsanto can now make legal claims regarding the "defamation" of its products, a legal concept originally intended only for individuals.

Monsanto's legal team began 1998 by taking on the State of Vermont and its attempts to pass a very weak rBGH law that merely required Monsanto to register with the state and make its client list available to state authorities so "rBGH-free" claims could be verified. The company responded by publicly threatening to sue the state and stop selling its products in Vermont if the bill passed. Governor Howard Dean, feeling the lobbying heat from Monsanto and its rBGH-addicted farmers in Vermont, came to Monsanto's defense and pulled the plug on the measure by threatening a veto. The legislature then went on to further soften an already spineless bill by removing the section that required the drug manufacturer's client list..."

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. That combined with the fact that Dean LOCKED environmentalists OUT

of meetings with developers is all the more telling ( The lock out on environmentalists was the subject of a Dean article in the LA Times last month..google it rather than alert on me)

[DrFunkenstein]

31. And Repeatedly Giving Enviro Awards To State's Biggest Polluting Corp

IBM. Anyone know if IBM was a big contributor to Dean's coffers?

I do.

[ozone_man]

49. IBM is the biggest employer (6,500).

Also semiconductor industry is a bit more challenging than let's say our biggest hospital or university (UVM) our other two largest employers. IBM has a solid reputation in environmental areas, especially considering their size.

Now BGH, Monsanto and Kerry receiving lobbying money from them IS a big issue. I only dring BGH free milk in Vermont. Monsanto is a very evil company. I hope I don't need to expand on that. Fits with Kerry though.

[KoKo]

46. The important issue with Dean was it was Jobs in VT. Kerry as a Senator

is responsible for legislating "against Monsanto" and therefore allowing State Governors like Dean to be able to defend their positions against the practices of Company's like Monsanto. Dean didn't have the Power to legislate against a company who had co-opted and made his farmer dependent on their products. The House and Senate is where the legislation is supposed to be put together to stop this kind of thing so that the Governors (who are responsible to the workers and businesses in their states) don't have to be put into the situation Dean was.

If Dean had been asked the question, I wonder what his answer would have been but if it was keeping his farmers (VT is still a big farm state) from going under or caving on this....as a Governor he would have had to do it....But, I'm not giving Dean a free pass on this......just asking that one needs to hold both of their feet to the fire on this issue.

However, Judy Dean doesn't have huge money from a company who might use all of Monsanto's GM food in their commercial products......

That's the difference. Theresa needs to answer whether John is responsible to Heinz or to Environmentalist Dems.......

We don't really know the answer to that.. Maybe Kerry supporters could ask her!

[TeeYiYi]

32. This thread is about John Kerry and Monsanto . . .

. . . If you have something to say about Howard Dean, please start your own thread on the topic.

Thank you.

~TYY

[JohnOneillsMemory]

36. It's useful to cross polinate info, not compartmentalize. Context matters.

These are the only candidates we have to work with so we might as well compare and contrast.

Don't forget the way Dean got 'scream' assassinated partly by the way his mike and performance were seperated from context of a noisy room of screaming supporters.

It seems ugly corporations like Monsanto have messed with a lot of legislation and politicians.

I ain't an apologist for any candidate but they seem to all have flaws and compromises in their histories.

What comprises the big picture for each candidate's history? Single issues? How harshly they are willing to bad mouth Bush*? Electability?Purity in a pinch?

I'm always uncomfortable when a single act or association or money source is used to paint a candidate as unworthy of our support.

Kerry does have a lengthy voting record and I would like to know more about it. The context of each vote is an important part of the story rather than just a score, too.

Hell, did marrying a Heinz really influence Kerry's agri-votes? That would really suck.

[nofurylike]

44. not a reply direct to you, JohnOneillsMemory. some things related...

though none about the Heinz question you'd ended your post with.
**
i'm a long time Kerry constituent, and supporter in many elections, though not this one. i have great respect for him in many ways, but i recently wrote his campaign asking them to please address some issues i forsee repugs slamming him with, down the road - being held to use should he be the nominee (why else are they not being used now?).

his campaign is NOT addressing them, so far.
i'm listening for it.

i study and research endlessly for clarity - like such can exist in these areas, ya?

here are some pieces:

on voting record:
http://archive.aclu.org/vote-guide/Kerry_J.html

http://www.mentata.com/ds/retrieve/congress/vote/VC107S8

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/8440.php

on skull and bones and Vietnam hearings, etc. kind of a conspiracy theory site, but some facts/Kerry quotes peppered in:
http://www.global-elite.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=271&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

environment, altrernative energy, an area i have long been seriously upset with him about:
http://greennature.com/article1031.html

http://www.capewind.org/

http://www.capewind.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=65

on the Big Dig gashing of this state's budget. Bechtel's Big Dig:
http://www.arterybusiness.com/abccsglobe12.25.03.htm

he did either (people here argue which) SAY he IS Irish, or NOT SAY he ISN'T while knowing the media was saying he was...
in a state where being Irish is a huge advantage when running for office. he is not Irish.

from "The Many Faces of John Kerry"
(questionable source, but i remember the events, and only put in here the verifiable parts. more available with searches...)

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2003/09/16/Politics/The-Many.Faces.Of.John.Kerry.part.2-455080.shtml

"To Kerry's advantage his surname sounds Irish and his facial features look Celtic to locals. Virtually everyone has always assumed he was Irish-American. He isn't. And not only is he not Irish-American, his mother's people are New England Brahmins. For some Massachusetts Democrats, voting even once for a Yankee Brahmin requires three 'Hail Marys' to cleanse the soul.

The maternal ancestors of John Forbes Kerry include the Forbeses, who made their fortune starting the Boston-China trade, and the Winthrops, one of whom led the English settlers overseas to Boston and was the first governor of Massachusetts in the 1630s. Another Winthrop was governor of Connecticut from 1676 to 1683.

While Kerry's maternal forebears were known by all, he was forgiven that accident of birth for the sake of his father's presumed Irish stock. Kerry says he has known for only about 15 years that his father's mother was in fact Jewish and from the former Austrian empire. He also says he only found out recently, when a Boston Globe reporter informed him of it, that around 1902 his grandfather Kohn, a Jew from Bohemia, changed his name from Kohn to Kerry. Not only that, he says he was completely unaware that grandfather Kerry shot himself to death in the men's room of the Copley Hotel in Boston, a story so notorious that it appeared at the time on the front pages of Boston newspapers.

Although a Kerry spokesman says that he continually corrected reported misstatements about his supposed Irish heritage, it immediately became clear to the scoffing Boston press that the senator had manipulated the misunderstanding to his advantage, having tried to correct the record in only the most tangential way if at all. Other Massachusetts politicians also have lied about their supposedly Irish heritage to gain electoral advantage. But, says Gilleran, "If it were understood by the population that he was not Irish, he would never have risen in Massachusetts politics...."
(this article also talks about "Lowellgate" - almost amusing, really. almost, but not.)

some people say the Irish thing doesn't matter at all. do you think? i think the other issues matter more. but it is about his being a serious opportunist.

this is just a tiny dose of all i'm researching....
to ever deeper confusion in many ways.

***

but, meanwhile

the Washington Times
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031229-120301-8756r.htm

"Governor Dean confronted and averted an energy crisis that would have had disastrous consequences for the citizens of Vermont by bringing together a bipartisan and ideologically diverse working group that solved the problem. Dick Cheney put together a group of his corporate cronies and partisan political contributors, and they gave themselves billions and disguised it as a national energy policy"...

and on and on....

*edit to correct important typo
**edit again, oops

[JohnOneillsMemory]

54. Thanks for this info. READ UP Y'ALL. Hard road ahead either way...n/t

[blm]

39. This forum is about candidates and debating their positions

and if you are going to post about one while maintaining a disingenuousness about your own candidate, well, that 's politics, isn't it?

[TeeYiYi]

40. You still haven't answered my question . . .

If Kerry is such an environmentalist . . . why did he not support Barbara Boxer's Bill to label foods containing genetically modified organisms?

And what of the $112,250 Kerry took from Mintz, Levin & Cohn for the 2004 campaign?

I don't mind if you bring up Dean, as long as it is in the process of addressing the issues of the thread. What I don't want is a 'bash Dean' response for lack of a better answer. Flame fests get threads locked.

re: "disingenuousness about your own candidate" Do you even know who my candidate is? Just curious.

TYY

[corporatewhore]

41. He supports freetrade and has the nerve to call him self environmentalist

[TeeYiYi]

42. I know . . .

. . . read post #30.

TYY

[TeeYiYi]

43. kick

TYY :kick:

[blm]

51. MLC is Kerry's BROTHER's firm and his coworkers donate every election.

They likely donated more this year because Kerry is running for president. Kerry's not IN Washington voting this year, except as needed.

Also, the limit for donations was LIFTED to $2000, remember?

If you intend to try to take down the best environmentalist in the field, have at it....suit yourself. Laugh at Mother Nature while you support the biggest CORPORATIST with the WORST environmental record in the race.

Just don't come around and wag fingers at Kerry with trumped up charges and who the League of Conservation Voters, every enviro group and Bobby Kennedy Jr. (extreme environmentalist) know to be THE best candidate ever for their causes. Too many of us know better.

[TeeYiYi]

52. You still haven't replied to post #30 . . .

. . . which was in response to your post # 27. Kerry was obviously NOT at his dying mother's bedside when he decided to join the republicans in helping Monsanto dodge some basic requests for genetically modified food labeling. Requests made by democrats:

Not only did he NOT support Senator Boxer's senate bill . . .the Genetically Engineered Food Right-to-Know Act of February 2000 (S. 2080), but he's on record as helping Senator Christopher Bond (R-Missouri) fight against both it and Dennis Kucinich's house bill — HR 3883, "The Genetically Engineered Food Safety Act" which was introduced in October 1999.

_____

American Legislators’ Attempts to Contain GMOs 

The concern over the safety of genetically engineered products has also begun to infiltrate U.S. politics. In October 1999, Representatives David Bonior, Dennis Kucinich, and Chris Shayes and 46 other House members sent a letter to FDA Commissioner Jane Henney calling for mandatory labelling of genetically engineered foods. A month later, Representative Kucinich introduced Bill H.R. 3377, the "Genetically Engineered Food Right to Know Act, ” which states that all foods that contain or are produced with genetically engineered material must be labeled as follows:   

GENETICALLY ENGINEERED

United States Government Notice: This product contains genetically engineered material, or was produced with a genetically engineered material.  

The bill has garnered the support of fifty co-sponsors and is currently awaiting review in the House Subcommittee on Health and the Environment. In late February this year, Barbara Boxer introduced a similar bill (S. 2080) in the Senate.  

On March 9, 2000, Representative Kucinich upped the ante further when he introduced bill HR 3883, "The Genetically Engineered Food Safety Act.” This bill would require all GM foods to be examined for allergenicity, unintended effects, toxicity, functional characteristics, and nutrient levels—in addition to passing FDA’s regulations for food additives. The bill would also require the FDA to 1) allow a public comment period of at least thirty days once a completed safety application is available to the public, and 2) disclose all studies performed by the applicant to the public.  Bill HR 3883 has the support of nine co-sponsors.  

Passing these bills, however, will not be easy. On January 26, 2000, Senator Christopher Bond (R-Missouri) testified before the U.S. Senate on the benefits and politics of biotechnology, accusing "some elements of the European Union” of seeking to provide "short-term protection to their farmers…. limit the productivity of foreign farmers” by exploiting public fears of genetically engineered foods. <5> Senator Bond, with the support of 23 other Senators, <6> urged the Administration to be firm in its negotiations on biotechnology products, and to not yield from its insistence on science-based, rather than politically influenced, risk assessments.  Senator Bond also criticized food companies that have chosen to forego using GM inputs in their products for "knowingly undermining our scientists and trade negotiators to placate the Luddites and protectionists.”  

<5> Congressional Record, pages S58-S63.

<6> Senators who supported Bond were Kerry, Durbin, Hagel, Craig, Frist, Conrad, Lugar, Gorton, Grassley, Ashcroft, Robb, Burns, Grams, Gordon, Smith, Baucus, Helms, Hutchinson, Roberts, Bayh, Brownback, Crapo, and Coverdell.

http://www.commercialdiplomacy.org/ma_projects/ma_sandblom4.htm

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I still can't figure out who you think my candidate is. "Laugh at Mother Nature while you support the biggest CORPORATIST with the WORST environmental record in the race." Who the hell are you talking about? Care to share? I think you're going to be disappointed when (if) you finally figure it out.

TYY

[TeeYiYi]

53. kick

TYY :kick:

[corporatewhore]

37. Makes sense he supports Monstero and "Free"Trade

why am i not suprised

[KoKo]

47. "Monstero" ......that's a good one. Thought it was a typo....but it fits!

:D

[TeeYiYi]

38. kick

TYY:kick:

[corporatewhore]

55. needs new kick with my new sig pic take a look!!

[Tinoire]

56. Again? They practically ran the Bush Sr & Clinton administrations

Oh great. All if this is getting so sickening. Our entire system is corrupt to its core. Frankly, I don't see change taking place without a revolution. It's like the entire machine needs to be dismantled. Will read this thread when I get home tonight... Wow.