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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:02 AM
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Clark Takes On "Republican Mean Machine"
Clark Takes On "Republican Mean Machine"
by Betsy R. Vasquez
http://moderateindependent.com/v2i3feb3.htm


FEBRUARY 2, 2004 - This round of primaries is turning out to have much more of an open dynamic than the New Hampshire race.

There are seven races set to take place on Tuesday, and the outcome could be anything from an all out sweep by Kerry to a loss of lone frontrunner status.

One scenario has Senator Kerry winning all seven states, which is possible but doesn't seem all that likely. It seems at the very least that Edwards has a solid shot in South Carolina.

However, as Edwards has admitted, South Carolina is do or die for him, so a loss there and he is gone.

As for General Wesley Clark, as many as four states are in play for him: Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, and North Dakota.

Notice that number: 4 out of 7 states.

While some people have pulled back in interest from following the primaries as the story being told is that there is just one man, Senator John Kerry, running away with the nomination, by all reports these four states are all Clark/Kerry battles which could realistically tip either way. If Kerry some how pulls out wins in all four, the race could be all but done. But if Clark were to take all four, or even three of four, he could easily win as many states as Kerry Tuesday evening, or even more with Edwards very possibly taking South Carolina, and catapult undeniably into equal frontrunner status with the Massachusetts Senator..

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Missouri seems solidly Kerry country, as does Delaware.

Look at that again. Only Missouri and Delaware seem to be locks for Kerry. The other six he could lose all of. Or, of course, win all of. Kerry is in position in each of the seven races to pull of victories.

But truly Tuesday night we seem to have a window of opportunity, for General Clark in particular. The best case scenario for Edwards seems to be wins in South Carolina and a surprise win in Oklahoma. While the best case scenario for Clark is winning three or four out of the seven races.

The two biggest states are Missouri and Arizona.

In the meantime, the absolute media assault - much of it through simply ignoring his existence - continues. As a typical example, today's Washington Post does stories on Kerry, Edwards, and even Dean - who is not in position to win anything on Tuesday. Clark, who is in far better position than both Edwards and Dean, is entirely, again, ignored.

However, the Clark camp no longer is taking this without response.

At a rally in Oklahoma City this weekend, General Clark vowed to take on what he called, "The Republican Mean Machine," according to one supporter who attended the rally. By this he meant, this supporter said, the right-wing domination of the media and the hatred this machine spews.

Labeling it "The Republican Mean Machine" was a very smart maneuver, as it makes it a battle of him versus the Republican Party rather than versus the media, an easier battle for people to understand.

And yet, Clark is clear that by "The Republican Mean Machine" he means not just the ultra-baised FOX News/talk radio Axis Of Bias, but also the rest of the media, which is no different at this point. He in particular, according to this supporter, referred to MSNBC, saying that such networks were "trying to take him down," as the supporter put it.

This is the throwing down of the mantle that Clark had to commit if he was going to have any chance in this election. By not just vowing to fight "a long hard" battle against against the media machine, but making clear he means the whole media - even supposed mainstream stations like MSNBC - the Clark camp sent forth the battle cry that, at the very least, makes clear he will not go down without a fight. For Clark supporters, there has no been no better news this primary season.

Remember, the Zogby polls that MSNBC uses are the ones that were dubbed unworthy of use by both ABC and AP, as reported by the Washington Post, and, of course, by us last week. Clark's reference to MSNBC as part of the Republican Mean Machine possibly refers to this - the absurd polls pushing Kerry over Clark all week long. For instance, today's MSNBC/Zogby poll has Kerry leading Clark 36% to 24%, while other polls have the difference barely beyond the margin of error.

"Zogby International, does all kinds of controversial things to produce its headlines-grabbing tracking poll," the Post reported.

Among them, Zogby takes the results he gets - gotten by questionable methods to begin with - and simply alters them as he feels like.

"Zogby also adjusts his sample based on historic trends and his judgment of "what is happening on the ground" in a particular race, and it is this imposition of his own judgment that disturbs many pollsters.

"He will, for example, reduce the proportion of 18- to 24-year-olds in his sample of self-described likely voters if he suspects on the basis of past voting history and the "lay of the land" that a sample contains too many younger people. He also, on occasion, adjusts the religious composition of his sample if he suspects he has over or under-represented one faith. "

Nice little trick, huh? People with credibility don't think so.

"Zogby is not a reputable pollster," said Warren Mitofsky, who is co-directing the media exit polls this year for the major television networks and the Associated Press," and one ABC expert called Zogby polls, "crack for the weak."

This primary season MSNBC has teamed up with Zogby and Reuters and has been putting Zogby's polls front and center.

The main thing to note about Zogby polls is that by many accounts he comes up with results that push his agenda - which happens to be the Bush/Limbaugh Republican agenda. For example, as we detailed in this story, right before the New Hampshire primary he released a poll that claimed Dean had gotten within 3 points of Kerry even though, as we reported, he clearly knew this was not the case. The idea was to give Dean a sense a momentum, and so to push him higher in the polls so that he was not wiped out entirely and so Clark didn't have a shot at second place.

It has been one of many things that has driven Clark supporters crazy, to have to sit and watch polls that have been called disreputable nonsense and see virtually the entire media report his results above all others. Now, Clark has made clear he will not be putting up with this game any longer. And, according to the account we were given, he made the RMM comments directly in front of a rolling FOX News camera.

In any case, with one day of campaigning left, the simple reality is that it is up to the people on the ground. The battle is wide open. Any event over the next day could shift the balance. Most importantly, the Clark camp needs to make sure its supporters are not put off by a sense of doom driven by the media's anointment of Kerry. If they realize that their man truly can vault to the top on Tuesday night, they might just be able to follow their leaders charge and stick one in the eye of the Republican Hate Machine that has been doing everything possible to drive Clark out of the race.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:07 AM
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1. I like Clark..
and I think it would be really hard to watch the Republicans try and tear him apart, because he seems like such a nice guy.

But, I think he could handle it.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:17 AM
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2. The Republican Mean Machine is ON! He already smacked down Milosevic...
He can do it. And he will. And with him, scores of dedicated grass-root fighters on a mission to take this country back.

Tomorrow is a great battle day: I hope to reach 100 voters by phone.

The game is afoot... ¡No pasarán!
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:34 AM
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3. I just searched many papers for Clark primary stories
& there were more about Joe Lieberman, who has NO chance of winning oin Tues, & is expected to drop out.

This obvious bias is driving me nuts!
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:39 AM
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4. Pass the ammo, call if you can...
Through clark04.com you can hook up for calls into the battle states to make a vital and decisive difference there. Spread the word, tomorrow is the day!
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 06:26 AM
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5. Great Post!
Thanks. Keep this kicked and get the word out!!!:toast:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:50 AM
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6. I, for one, will never look at another Zogby poll
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 07:51 AM by in_cog_ni_to
they're bullshit...plain and simple. No more Zogby for me! Notice which polls the media uses?

I would LOVE to see Wes take more than OK tomorrow. That would be a HUGE SMACKDOWN on the media! The POWER OF THE PEOPLE would send a mighty message to the media whores. Make phone calls Clarkies! I am going to spend the day making calls. I should be able to reach at least 100 voters today, I have 100 letters ready to go out today and am sending 300 letters out to the Feb. 10 states. We can do this! Let's do a MAJOR SMACKDOWN on the media....I can't WAIT to see their faces when Wes wins BIG! There will be nothing sweeter than to show those bastards that "We the People" are a mightier voice than they are.

Go Wes!
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MidwestMomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:44 AM
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7. Here's the email I sent ABC about Clark's lack of coverage
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 08:44 AM by MidwestMomma
To Good Morning America:

You would think after ABC just recently had to admit that they distorted the Dean speech that they would try to present more balanced reporting on the Democratic primaries but it appears not.

I watched GMA this morning and there were 2 reports on the primaries Tuesday. In both reports, time was devoted to reporting on the Kerry, Edwards and Dean campaigns but not a word on Clark. This despite the fact that Clark is challenging Kerry in 4 of the 7 states on Tuesday and Dean is not even a contender.

There is a purposeful media blackout on General Clark's campaign which I expect from some of the more biased news media outlets but which is very disappointing to see ABC joining in.

As a media outlet, ABC knows that elections are won to certain extent on name recognition so by purposely excluding any mention of Clark's campaign, ABC is effectively saying that ABC has decided they do not want him to have a chance at the nomination. That is media bias just like playing the distorted version of Dean's speech.

Attempted manipulation of the primaries like this is why people are starting to distrust the media almost as much as the government. I used to really admire ABC because it seemed they were trying hard to stay impartial in our increasing polarized world. However, based on your coverage of the primaries, it appears they have decided it's better to make the news than report it.

Please take a serious look at your reporting of the primaries in the last week and I think you will see that on the whole your reports all mention Kerry, Edward and Dean with hardly a mention of Clark. Look at these reports while remembering that Clark came in 3rd over Edwards in New Hampshire and the Clark is running strong in 4 of the 7 states Tuesday while Edwards is running strong only in 1. Seem that Edwards would be the one with little coverage so please explain your rationale. Thanking you in advance for your response.

Sharon B.


I know, I know...the part about admiring ABC sounds over the top but I really do think that they used to be one of the more fair news channels as opposed to say Fox.

Got to run to work. Everyone have a great day. Remember, slow and steady wins the race.

Go Wes!
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bigfishsmallpond Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:05 AM
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8. Kick
for telling it as it is
for calling a spade a spade
for giving John Kerry and Terry McAuliffe some new ideas for speech topics and soundbites.

go get'em General

:kick:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:10 PM
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13. Hi bigfishsmallpond!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:30 PM
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18. What a great handle :)
bigfishsmallpond
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:09 AM
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9. Give 'em Hell, General!!!
I love it when General Clark tells it like it is. You'll never hear truth like this from John Kerry. He's too politically correct.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:28 AM
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10. The General is smart to take on the "media"
Very smart. Especially since they are out ot ignore and discredit him.

"This is the throwing down of the mantle that Clark had to commit if he was going to have any chance in this election. By not just vowing to fight "a long hard" battle against against the media machine, but making clear he means the whole media - even supposed mainstream stations like MSNBC - the Clark camp sent forth the battle cry that, at the very least, makes clear he will not go down without a fight. For Clark supporters, there has no been no better news this primary season."

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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:43 AM
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11. Kick
:toast:

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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:20 AM
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12. Perfect example
The medias drum roll to war, all set up and spelled out by the WH. Great question for the public, how can you trust the media and their reporting when they are the ones who hyped the war. It's obvious that they just read what is in front of them and don not any research.

Today I am going to a UNR rally to get students to support Clatk, tonite we have a local meeting of non-partisans for Clark and tommorow a working meeting for Clark. Clark supporters keep going to that e-block on his website and keep those phones ringing for Clark.

He has a great chance in 4 states, OK,NM,AZ,ND
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 06:32 PM
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14. kick
this belongs higher than page 5
posted too recently to be buried

Give'em hell General


:kick:
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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 06:49 PM
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15. Way to go Wes!
:kick:
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 06:52 PM
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16. Just this past Saturday when Clark was here in Mesilla, NM, I talked to
his National Hispanic advisor, whom I had worked with for the first visit that turned into a Gert only visit. I railed about the media and he acknowledged it was a problem. They have been well aware of the blackout. The MI actually suggested an attack on the media after the debate, in which Clark did well because he actually got a couple of decent questions.

Well, I hope this isn't too little to late...but he's brave to bring it up. It reignites the Al Gore comments on the media that were made many months ago and were promptly dismissed.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:26 PM
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17. We need this so bad as a nation.
We need General Clark to be the guy, it becomes more and more apparent every day. He is the genuine, sincere leader this country is begging for. We don't need insiders who will maintain the status quo, we need real change. Clark will bring it about, I have no doubt whatsoever.
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:34 PM
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19. I think the tactic
is to smear Dean even if he isn't ahead, ignore Clark, sorta mention Edwards and push Kerry in the news media. Why, I can only speculate. I like Clark. He is fiesty too and really puts some excellent comments out there. But instead of giving him the press he deserves, the media tries to ignore him. After we change the president, we need to take back the media so this doesn't happen again.
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k_blagburn Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:00 PM
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20. The fighting general
What I really like about the general is he is used to fighting and he is the only candidate who can take it to bush in the GE. This is just more proof that he wont take their bull**** but will fight back. This is exactly what we need.
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