Finally! Dean Disses Kerry on Bush/Skull and Bones. Yay!

[seventhson]

Excerpt from Link which is posted below:

Dean has seized on a Washington Post story about how the Massachusetts senator, who refuses to take political action committee money, has taken thousands of dollars in individual donations from lobbyists.

Dean is even drawing WASPish comparisons between Kerry's patrician origins and those of the man in the White House. "It sometimes seems to me there is a little of George Bush in John Kerry," Dean said.

"I'm beginning to see a pattern," he added. "Maybe they shared a little more than brotherhood at Skull and Bones."

Kerry and Bush graduated from Yale University two years apart. Both were "tapped" for membership in Skull and Bones, a secret society that include males from blue-blood American families. George Bush Sr., too, is a "bonesman."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/158918_joel02.html

[joshcryer]

1. Haha, damn Dean, stop speaking your mind man.

I mean holy crap, you're going to get in trouble, haha, damn.

[KC21304]

2. Now we are getting down to the important stuff.

Bring it on. LOL

[David Dunham]

3. Dean Is a WASP and a Yale Grad Himself, What a Hypocrite

[seaglass]

5. Never mind that, when it comes to temperament

Dean and Bush are peas in a pod;-)

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. Skull & Bones maybe located at Yale

...but that's where the comparison ends. The Bush Criminal Empire came from Skull & Bones. So did the CIA. This is no mere "fraternity"

Dean went to Yale. So did Lieberman. But neither of them were Bonesmen.

[tryanhas]

25. Yeah, but Lieberman is a MOONIE!!!

And that's worse than Skull and Bones.

Lieberman is a follower of Reverend Sun Myung Moon, JUST LIKE BUSH!!!

The man who claims that Jesus was a failure and he is the true messiah is a close ally with Bush. Moon has thousands upon thousands of "FRONT GROUPS" charities and newspapers like the WASHINGTON TIMES which he owns, and these "FRONT GROUPS" funnel millions of dollars into Bush's election campaigns and what not.

WELL, I JUST TRIED TO EMAIL THIS POST TO YOU AND I LOST HALF OF IT!!! I'M ANGRY, SO I'LL JUST THROW OUT WHAT THE REST OF IT SAID.

Moon hated Clinton because Clinton wouldn't give into him.
He was close with Reagan, Ford, and Bush 1 and now Bush 2.

Bush's faith-based initiatives are really benefiting Moon's front groups over here by giving them money.

Jerry Falwell, is also close to Moon, and Moon give Liberty university
millions of dollars every year
().

Here are some links about Moon:

"And while the Bush family steadfastly believes that ex-felons should not have the right to vote for president, they have no objection to ex-cons putting presidents on their payroll. In 1996, despite pleas of US church leaders, Daddy Bush gave several speeches (he charges $100,000 per talk) sponsored by organisations run by Rev Sun Myung Moon, cult leader, tax cheat - and formerly, the guest of the US federal prison system."

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=15&row=1

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/09/24/moon/index_np.html

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0310-03.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0103-07.htm

http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif106.html

[AntiCoup2K4]

30. An Orthodox Jew Moonie? How does that work?

So Joe doesn't believe JC is the Messiah, but he does believe Moon is? Seems there would be too much conflict for that to work.

[Rose Siding]

9. S&B's a whole 'nother level

...a very exclusive cabal.

[tryanhas]

15. Do you have any clue what a "HYPOCRITE" is?

A hypocrite is someone who criticizes others for doing something that they themselves are secretly doing.

DEAN DID NOT CRITICIZE JOHN KERRY FOR GRADUATING FROM YALE!

That would have just been stupid of him, and HYPOCRITICAL, because he also graduated from Yale.

He took a cheap shot at Kerry for being a member of SKULL AND BONES, which Dean was not, even though he graduated from Yale.

I can guarantee you that when Dean was at Yale, he was probably one of those guys who tried to break into THE TOMB and see what was going on, lol.

Good job Howard Dean.

My respect for you is growing more and more every day...

[Jerseycoa]

20. Shhhhh

No one's told him :evilgrin:

[blm]

53. Kerry is part Jewish and raised Catholic. That's a WASP?

.

[Raya]

4. Nothing New. Dean Continues Merrily on. Doesn't Really Care About Party

From back in April, USA Today reported “his attacks on fellow Democrats have been so cutting that sometimes the Republican National Committee e-mails them to party members.” And “Dean has reserved his sharpest thrusts for Kerry, repeatedly accusing him of selling out Democratic principles” (April, 28). With his star rising with the Media, Dean cranked up his rhetoric on even further, saying that if he won, members of Congress were ''going to be scurrying for shelter, just like a giant flashlight on a bunch of cockroaches” (NYT, Oct. 14).

Now after loosing a couple contests, Dean says he won’t be competing in the next seven States but still continues personal attacks against Kerry, attacks more vicious that anything the Republicans have dared do openly.

[David Dunham]

6. The Guy Who "Tapped" Bush for Skull and Bones Supports Kerry and Hillary

I guess there must be a really huge conspiracy among moderate Dems

[seventhson]

12. Link?

AND You make my point for me.

Never mind.

and how do YOU know who tapped Bush?

[David Dunham]

23. i know him

david richards, who tapped Bush for skull and bones, is a lawyer in new york and a liberal dem supporting kerry. he also is a friend of bill and hillary and went to yale law school with them. i have known dave since 1996, when he helped raise over 2 million for bill.

[seventhson]

29. The Stephens group (Clark's recent employers) backed the Clintons AND

they backed Bush.

Just because someone appears to support the DLC/PNAC dems does NOT mean they are okay.

Kerry's top advisor is a Skull member. His first wife was the sister of a skull member and his current wife is the widow of a skull member.

OF COURSE there are dems who will support skull members. There are Dems who ARE skull members.

THAT is what I am opposed to: skull members pretending to represent the people when they really represent the elites and their investments.

DEAN is a man of the people. This is based on who is financing his campaignb.

Kerry is NOT IMHO.

[Straight Shooter]

55. "pretending to represent the people"

Well said. My sentiments exactly. Eulogia says "ditto."

[seventhson]

7. Methinks thou dost protest too much

I am happy he said it.

[Clark Can WIN]

10. Tear each other to bits........

Please.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

38. I wish someone else would take a shot at Kerry.

Let's see what he's made of.

[DaisyUCSB]

11. Dean is the only eastern establishment WASP in the race

Kerry is an eastern establishment WEJC (white ethnically-jewish catholic)

Dean might be bitter that he wasn't tapped for S+B

[David Dunham]

13. Good Point. Kerry Is Not a WASP. Only DEAN IS AMONG DEMS

[Rose Siding]

22. Is Edwards Catholic?

or are we only marking religion and ethnicity of the north eastern candidates? (which seems exclusionary, but that's just me)

[ozone_man]

56. While Kerry was joining Skull and Bones

Dean requested an African American roomate. I don't think Dean belonged to the Fraternities. It's about choices. Dean chose well.

Skull and Bones is no mere Fraternity BTW, only the elite are invited and Kerry is a Forbes, presumably his ticket in (they own Naushon Island IIRC). But the bigger issue is what S&B is all about and a lot is still a big mystery (CIA, BFEE, etc.).

[Cocoa]

14. finally!

If only he had hit on this winning issue before Iowa and NH!

I bet Joe Trippi was a Skull and Bones plant, advised Dean not to bring it up. Now that the mole has been removed, there's no stopping Dean!

[DannyRed]

16. Have you folks considered

That win or lose, Dean is doing the entire Democratic party a favor?

1) He is testing the waters in areas where Dems have been loathe to swim (Vocally anti-Iraq War, vocally critical and derisive of Bush, vocally and loudly anti-fundamentalist and rightwing)

2) He is attacking weak points of the other candidates (as they are attacking his, no question about it), and if they survive it, and beat him, they will have been inoculated against similar attacks...as will he if he survives their attacks.

Just a thought.

[dolstein]

17. Isn't Kerry a Catholic?

Sure, Kerry's probably the most WASPish Catholic around, but still . . .

[DFLforever]

26. He sure is a waspish Catholic and Dean was baptised Catholic too

[Maddy McCall]

18. That demonstrates his desperation...

Maybe he needs to pay more attention to issues and less to internet conspiracy theories.

[DrFunkenstein]

19. Hopping From One Conspiracy Theory To The Next?

Good for Howard Brush Dean III. It's good to see that he is moving to expand his audience beyond the internet Left.

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

21. coooll...

first the special interests, and now skull and bones. howard must be reading my signature line.

time to change it all.

there will be no secret agendas in the information age.

not anymore.

[DrFunkenstein]

28. No Secret Agendas Unless You Seal Your Records, Aye?

Do we really have to go into Dean's relationship with IBM or Goldman-Sachs or his other big contributors. Not to mention that Dean wanted to replace Bermuda as the tax shelter capital of the world...

[slinkerwink]

24. good for Dean!

[Cocoa]

32. so you came down on Dean's side on this one, eh?

:-)

[mitchum]

27. Well, that'll certainly stop the "unstable" worries

[DrFunkenstein]

Doesn't Know If It's True, He's Just Passing It On...

Next it'll be Kerry's "war crimes" in Vietnam.

Or maybe the fact that he dated the Old Navy lady back in the 80's.

I'll give him this - at least Dean is entertaining. To the last.

[tameszu]

31. Please stop with this Skull and Bones conspiracy nonsense

Yale is already elitist enough--I am a grad student there--but there's no conspiracy. It's just how America's version of "meritocracy" works.

To propose that Kerry is any more elitist than Dean, who also went to Yale, because Kerry got into this little intellectual frat is really taking your eye off the ball. If you want more equality, then you need to really strengthen the public schools--build more Berkeleys and Univ. of VAs and Univ. of Texases and try to spread the wealth of your excellent research institutions. Mau-mauing S&B is a big distractor. This little ntelelctual frat may provide a small number of the senior class with a few more connections, but no more than it would if you happened to be neighbors with Barbara Bush in Davenport College or a member of the lightweight crew team. Or, hint hint, having the right roommate in an elite liberal arts college like Smith.

Lewis Lapham, the ultra-liberal editor of Harper's, was a Bonesman and I daresay he turned out OK.

[Minstrel Boy]

33. I think you're wrong about

Lewis Lapham. His father was a Bonesman, but I don't believe he himself is.

BTW, Lewis's brother, Anthony Lapham, Yale class of 1958, didn't turn out much like Lewis. George Sr appointed him to be the CIA's General Counsel, and he took a leading role in the coverup of Orlando Letelier's assassination.

[tameszu]

36. No, Lewis Lapham was definitely a Bonesman

He has been interviewed about it.

I am certain of this--I know a little bit about S&B as I've been at Yale for 3.5 years now and I occasionally give the (admittedly lame) graduate and professional school tour at Yale.

[seventhson]

43. It's called controlling the oppositiom

william sloan coffin was in skull too - je was a supposed antiwar dude but his family were spooks,

It is an ugly business.

[tameszu]

46. William Sloane Coffin WAS an important anti-war guy

Ever think that maybe it's the reverse? That some of the most important folks who make change come out of the elite, because they are positioned to do so?

I am not denying that a dominant elite exists in the U.S., but it makes little sense to think that S&B is significantly more elitist than Yale. To propose that S&B is some completely other realm of dominance and evil as opposed to the relatively more "overt" elitism of Yale completely misses the big picture.

[John_H]

34. Shit. Next he'll expose Clark's role on the Grassy Knoll. Dean wins.

[grasswire]

35. hmmmm

"Maybe they shared a little more than brotherhood at Skull and Bones."

Is there sexual context to that remark? It sounds weird, knowing as we do that initiates engage in some sexual stuff in front of the membership.

What's on Dean's mind?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

37. Quote of the campaign:

"It sometimes seems to me there is a little of George Bush in John Kerry," Dean said.



Let's play hardball.

[Metrix]

39. Dean is a regular Minute Man

Mayflower ancestors, twelfth generation.

[nightperson]

40. Attention fellow Kerry supporters:

Mr. Dean has very, very little to lose at this point. I am very afraid that in coming days he will widely publicize this extensive and very revealing archival footage of the Kerry campaign-http://www.mediacircus.net/skulls.html. He is pulling no punches now, and he is ruthlessly assessing and meeting the demands of his remaining supporters. You have been warned.

[Zomby Woof]

41. Dean's and Chimpy's grandmothers

Were maids of honor at each other's weddings. Yes, that would be Prescott Bush's wedding for those keeping score. Dean's ties to the Bush family are stronger than Kerry's, Skull & Bones be damned.

But none of this matters. Dean is toast, and his faux populist campaign is fini.

[mouse7]

42. Time for Kerry to just do an interview about Skull and Bones

The best way for Kerry to deal with this is just get out in front of the subject and have an interview about it. The combination of the words "Skull and Bones" and "secret" just is not good for the public image of a Presidential candidate. There's practically no chance of Skull and Bones being anything more threatening than a bunch of frat boys drinking beer bongs out of fake skulls. However, image is everything. Kerry can end all this silly speculation with an interview.

[Raya]

44. Again, and Again and Again and Again. Definitely taking Country Backwards

[Forkboy]

49. This country is in full reverse already

[genius]

45. DEan of Park Avenue's grandmother was Bush's grandmother's bridesmaid

Those who live in glass houses should throw stones. I couldn't care less about college fraternities.

[Rowdyboy]

47. Win a primary, Dr Dean, until then you're just a joke

and a bad one at that...

[uhhuh]

48. This is the second time

You've posted the exact same statment dismissing Dean for not winning a primary. I will point out again that Gen.Clark has also not won a primary, and he also has no delegates at this point, which Dean does have.
I like Gen. Clark, but if this is the only thing you are going to point out, I will continue to point out that the same thing could be said of Clark, and I wouldn't call him a joke.

[Rowdyboy]

52. I supported Dr Dean as my second choice strongly

until he felt compelled to call my candidate a Republican, over and over and over. Then he spread his slander to include Senator Kerry. That sort of schoolyard name-calling removed Dean from my consideration. Governor Dean has burned too many bridges at this point. I pray he is not the nominee.

[Seldona]

50. Dean doing to limbo again?

How low can you go?

With all that is going on, what passes for 'issues' these days makes me want to vomit.

Unbelievable.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. Howard Dean Needs An Intervention,,,

Any volunteers....

[seventhson]

54. america needs the intervention

from Dean and NOT from the Bonesmen