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Dark Star Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:10 PM
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Dr. Mary F. Berry Responds to Sen. Kerry's Remarks On Affirmative Action
Today, in a conference call with reporters, Dr. Mary Frances Berry, Chair of the United States Commission on Civil Rights, made the following remarks:

Back in 1992, when I read what Senator Kerry was saying about affirmative action, I felt like someone had kicked me in the stomach. I was deeply disturbed, because Senator Kerry was saying exactly the same thing that opponents of affirmative action were saying - that it was reverse discrimination, that the policy was a failure, that all it did was perpetuate racism. And even worse, he made no suggestions about what legal steps should be taken to improve it.

Last night, at the debate, I was surprised when he invoked the name of Bill Clinton in discussing the "mend it, don't end it" approach to affirmative action. President Clinton was not yet in office when Senator Kerry made that 1992 speech. And once Clinton was in office, and we were engaged in the difficult debate about the future of affirmative action, Senator Kerry was nowhere in sight. While we were struggling to do all we could to make progress on these issues, he was simply missing in action.


For Immediate Release
Date: January 30, 2004
www.clark04.com
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:11 PM
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1. She's a Good Lady, but Wrong About Kerry
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:29 AM
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16. No she's not!
No, she is not at all.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:02 AM
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25. Yes, she is. Kerry wanted the LEGAL LANGUAGE for AA tightened to prevent
the constant barrage of lawsuits that the GOP was using to try to get rid of it outright.

He was with the same group of Dems as Clinton who said so during his 92 campaign and who wanted to preserve AA by MENDING it.

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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:46 AM
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30. No she is NOT a good lady!
She is a demon set forth on the planet to subvert freedom and democracy. Sorry I wasnt more explicit. I cant believe how few people here are cognizant of her evil? She is pure fascist/corporatist scum.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:12 PM
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2. I guess those reporters didn't feel like writing this up....
Oh, I forgot....if it involves Clark, you ignore people like Berry.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:13 PM
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3. Kerry has 100% rating with NAACP
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 11:14 PM by zulchzulu
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hilzoy Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:12 AM
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13. No one says he's a racist,
Just that when people were fighting to protect affirmative action, he wasn't around. There are lots of explanations for that. Kerry hasn't done much of anything in the last decade, so it's not so surprising that he didn't do this.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:21 AM
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14. I guess if you lie enough about Kerry, you start believing it
Kerry has been a champion of civil rights all through his career. If you want to lie about Kerry like Dean or Clark is apparently doing, so be it.

If you want to learn the truth about Kerry's background with civil rights instead of spreading lies and half-truths, then go here:

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/african_americans/
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:32 PM
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4. Some background..
from TNR:

"A better test case was his March 30, 1992 Yale speech in which he rocked the liberal establishment by calling affirmative action an "inherently limited and divisive program," warning that it "actually engenders racism," and concluding that liberal emphasis on it had helped "foster a culture of dependency ... and cost the civil rights movement its vital multiracial consensus." You'll recall that at this same time, Bill Clinton was advancing similarly bold critiques of Democratic dogma on his way to reclaiming middle-class support for the party and breaking a twelve-year Republican lock on the White House. Two days after Kerry's speech, a Globe editorial skewered Kerry for using "racially divisive code words." Two days after that, Kerry was telling angry Boston-area liberals that his remarks had been taken out of context. "The new focus is on how to build a consensus for social activism," he said. Kerry has been AWOL from the front lines of revisionist thinking about race and affirmative action ever since. "

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=debate&s=kellerkennedy012804
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:44 PM
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7. John Kerry has been clear that those aren't his views
rather they were used as examples in a speech to illustrate what others were saying about the program. He has said that these are not his views, no matter what Mary Berry thinks.

I thought this was over the top:

"President Clinton was not yet in office when Senator Kerry made that 1992 speech. And once Clinton was in office, and we were engaged in the difficult debate about the future of affirmative action, Senator Kerry was nowhere in sight. While we were struggling to do all we could to make progress on these issues, he was simply missing in action."

You would think she was talking about George Wallace. This doesn't fairly represent his efforts and I am embarrassed every time these good people stand behind Gov. Dean and sling hash at John Kerry just to him get elected.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:34 PM
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5. The core of the civil rights community went nuts
when some including John Kerry called for an adjustment to Affirmative Action that would recognize and hopefully address the contradictions that led to the disenfranchisment of some non-minorities. The remedies were sometimes applied with a broad brush and the entire system of affirmative action was threatened by a wary conservative Supreme Court. The effort was to explore ways to fix the percieved problems to avoid losing it altogether.

You can hear Ms. Berry's sense of betrayal, but John Kerry was, and is more than sympathetic to those who would seek to preserve the program.

Here are some of the Senator's thoughts and actions on this issue:


Title: National Public Radio Tavis Smiley Show Transcript
Location: Unknown
Date: 01/30/2003
Copyright 2003 National Public Radio (R). All rights reserved.
SHOW: Tavis Smiley (9:00 AM ET) - NPR
January 30, 2003 Thursday
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000003106&keyword=&phrase=affirmative+action&contain=

SMILEY: You have come out very strongly, as you just articulated, in opposition to the president's position on this affirmative action question vis-a-vis the University of Michigan. Back in 1992, though, you said affirmative action, and I quote, "kept America thinking in racial terms."

Sen. KERRY: What I said was, I was describing what a lot of people in white America were feeling at that point of time and the way in which it was divided. But if you look at the very paragraph you read from, at the top of the paragraph, it says, 'I support affirmative action,' and at the bottom of the paragraph, it says, 'I support affirmative action.' So I bracketed what I was trying to make was an observation in the country about how what we really needed to do was create an urban policy in America, a policy that addresses the inequities of our school system. The fact is that today in America, we have institutionalized separate and unequal school systems, and I underscore unequal. We've got school districts in the inner cities and in rural areas that have no tax base, and I don't think you can fulfill the promise of America and the full measure of our constitutional rights unless you provide a real opportunity to all of the students of our country, and that's one of the things I wish the president would address, is that inequality.



Title: ABC This Week with George Stephanopoulos Transcript
Location: Unknown
Date: 01/25/2004
ABC This Week with George Stephanopoulos Transcript
January 25, 2004 Sunday
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000027581&keyword=&phrase=affirmative+action&contain=

I did exactly what Bill Clinton did. I said affirmative action needed to be mended, not ended. We fixed it. We actually took the quota problem out and we fixed it but I believe in affirmative action. I still do. I believe in education reform. I don't believe in disrespecting teachers. See, some people see these things as just black and white. They're not. The problem is that, yes, we need increased accountability in schools. We need to raise the standards. But you don't have to do it in a way that disrespects teachers and literally throws the baby out with the bathwater which is what they're doing.


Speaker: Senator John Forbes Kerry (MA)
Title: NBC Meet the Press Transcript
Location: Unknown
Date: 08/31/2003
NBC Meet the Press Transcript
August 31, 2003 Sunday
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000018741&keyword=&phrase=affirmative+action&contain=

MR. RUSSERT: Let me turn to affirmative action. In 1992 you went to your alma mater, Yale, and gave a now highly noted speech about the—affirmative action.

SEN. KERRY: Right.

MR. RUSSERT: This is what you said, that “...today the civil rights arena is controlled by lawyers and the winners and losers determined by...rules most Americans neither understand nor are sympathetic with. ...This shift in the civil rights agenda has directed most of out attention and much of our hope into one inherently limited and divisive program: affirmative action...We must be willing to acknowledge publicly what we know to be true: that just as the benefits to America of affirmative action cannot be denied, neither can the costs...The truth is that affirmative action has kept America thinking in racial terms.”

This week in Boston, your hometown, a federal court said that four white firefighters must be given their jobs because they had been passed over by black applicants who had tested lower on the test. Do you agree with the court decision?

SEN. KERRY: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: The court also said the city no longer has to hire one black for every white they hire. Do you agree with that?

SEN. KERRY: Yeah. Tim, let me explain exactly what I said. Affirmative action, if you recall, back in the 1990s—Bill Clinton said this, too—needed to be mended. I was one of the early people saying we have to mend it, don't end it. That's precisely what we did. We tried to end the quota concept and make sure we kept affirmative action. I have always supported affirmative action. I even had that very paragraph bracketed. On the front end of the paragraph and on the back end of the paragraph, I said, “I support affirmative action. We need to mend it, don't end it.” That's what we did, and I'm glad the Supreme Court of the United States has affirmed that we need to continue.

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:53 AM
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23. Protecting them poor whites - and you like that?
This week in Boston, your hometown, a federal court said that four white firefighters must be given their jobs because they had been passed over by black applicants who had tested lower on the test. Do you agree with the court decision?
SEN. KERRY: Yes.
MR. RUSSERT: The court also said the city no longer has to hire one black for every white they hire. Do you agree with that?
SEN. KERRY: Yeah.

Well, I am white and I don't.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:36 PM
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6. But, but, but, didn't Kerry say he didn't mean it? Wasn't he just
quoting anti-affirmative action remarks from those bad folks who were against it? Didn't he say "I support affirmative action" at the beginning and end of the speech?

You guys, like that lady from the United Stats Commission on Civil Rights, just have to learn to read the nuances of Kerry's speeches.

They often don't mean what they seem to mean when you read them. You just have to catch the Senator in his office for an explanation.
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Dark Star Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:48 PM
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8. Hey, Mike!
:yourock:
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:55 PM
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10. You wouldn't have to waste your time
trying to catch the Senator in his office for an explanation if you would just read the whole statement in the first place. That's what happens when you listen to someone taking something out of context.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:51 PM
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9. It seems to me that Sen Kerry
has both sides of the issue covered.

Just like the rest of his positions.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:07 AM
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11. Exactly.
I think Ms. Berry got it right.

He criticized the system, then distanced himself from those comments when people got upset. While Clinton and others were working to bring change, he conveniently avoided any involvement.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:12 AM
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12. Got anything more than rhetoric to back up your charges?
Proof that he distanced himself from those comments when people got upset?

Proof that while Clinton and others were working to bring change, he conveniently avoided any involvement?

Proof that doesn't rely on hearsay?

If not then I choose to believe John Kerry on this, thank you.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:48 AM
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21. Are you surprised...he's a born politico
nothing new here I'm told...simply move on.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:22 AM
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15. Unlike Clark (how may have positions), Kerry has a solid record
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:35 AM
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17. Heh
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 03:43 AM by NV1962
See it from the opponent's POV...

(warning: the next link is RW race-baiting bile!)
http://www.nationalreview.com/clegg/clegg200310290838.asp


Or not...

http://www.jbhe.com/latest/092503_wesley_clark.html

From that last link (from the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education) the following text:

  • Presidential Candidate Wesley Clark is a Strong Supporter of Affirmative Action in College Admissions:

    General Wesley Clark is the latest entry into the Democratic presidential contest. Unlike Senator Joseph Lieberman and Senator John Kerry, who have mixed records on affirmative action in the past, General Clark has a solid record of support. He along with 13 other former military officers filed an amicus brief in the Supreme Court case involving the University of Michigan affirmative action program for undergraduate admissions. In the brief, Clark and his colleagues stressed that ROTC programs at universities, such as the University of Michigan, were important feeder programs for the military officer corps. The brief argued that the military would not be able to continue a high quality and diverse officer corps if these universities were not permitted to continue their efforts to ensure a diverse student body.

    A diverse officer corps, Clark and the other military men maintained, is essential for a smooth-running military operation and therefore is now an important element in this country's national security.


Yeah, Wes Clark "may have positions" alright, yet unlike "some other candidate" he has actual executive leadership experience in bringing a pro-diversity, affirmative action policy into practice.

Less professional politician sounding talk, and more professional action please - that's what "track record" stands for.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:44 AM
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18. And yet Berry endorsed Clark, not Kerry. Guess she is unimpressed w
him. As am I.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:52 AM
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19. Apparently Rep. Jim Clyburn and Rep. Harold Ford Were More Impressed
I guess you'll have to agree to disagree.

The funny thing is that Kerry didn't say anything that Cornel West - a prominent African-American progressive with Green PArty connections - hadn't said himself.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:03 AM
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26. Harold Ford?
Who accused Nancy Pelosi of being too Left? The guy is a creep.
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Dark Star Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:05 AM
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27. Clyburn and Ford
are very centrist/moderate.

I'll go with MFBerry anyday!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:18 AM
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20. Kinda sums up the whole Kerry Senate Career
"Senator Kerry was nowhere in sight. While we were struggling to do all we could to make progress on these issues, he was simply missing in action"
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:45 AM
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22. skull & backboneless
Let's see, Kerry's for Affirmative Action. Wait a minute, he's against it. No, for it. He's a liberal, well sort of a liberal. Not really a liberal. A kind of moderate but not really a moderate. He's a stealth liberal. But, he's proud of being a liberal. Well, sort of proud, but not too proud.

Anybody for waffles?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:07 AM
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28. Sour grapes are hard to swallow
Kerry's progressive civil rights record and 100% rating from the NAACP means nothing to some people.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:55 AM
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24. Here's Kerry being non-prejudiced:

More vacations than people on welfare
http://www.commondreams.org/views/022300-103.htm
Senator John Kerry once joked on Imus about former governor William Weld, ''this guy takes more vacations than the people on welfare.''

Of course, at least he is not French.
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Dark Star Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:07 AM
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29. Now, that is disgusting...
as is Imus. :puke:
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