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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:08 PM
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John Kerry's Glass Jaw ( article from The New Republic

This article is from the New Republic and I concur because I too don't feel like Kerry has been tested yet as to whether he can take the punches. Whether you agree/not I believe valid points are raised here.


February 1, 2004


JOHN KERRY'S GLASS JAW: Last week I suggested that it might not be in John Kerry's interest to blow out Howard Dean in New Hampshire, since that would effectively eliminate Dean from the race, leaving him bitter and disaffected and sitting on a pile of cash. But as Dean sharpens his message in the stretch run to tomorrow's vote, I'm not sure how long Kerry can afford to have Dean stick around either.
In my mind, the biggest problem with Kerry's glide path to victory is that he's yet to prove he can take a punch. The one time he took one--from Dean, on his war stance last spring and summer--he immediately hit the floor. Of course, the media accounts these days are littered with testimonials to Kerry's "electability," which is what his surge in Iowa and New Hampshire is largely attributed to. But surely this dynamic has much less to do with Kerry's electability than with Dean's perceived unelectability, which grew and grew in the weeks leading up to Iowa and then went off the charts following Dean's post-caucus speech. An unelectable opponent does not an electable candidate make.

The media (see, for example, yesterday's "Meet the Press") has also pushed the line that Dean's challenge has strengthened Kerry as a candidate--Dean is now credited with everything from livening up and shortening Kerry's stump speech to the Kerry campaign's increased organizational efficiency. But the reality is close to the opposite: If Kerry wins the nomination, the practical effect of the Dean candidacy will be to have made Kerry the beneficiary of an almost an unprecedented confluence of favorable circumstances, which allowed Kerry to win the nomination without ever being tested.

To see this, consider this rough history of the campaign: Last summer, Dean seizes the front-runner mantle from Kerry and runs up an early lead in Iowa and New Hampshire, locking up large numbers of committed supporters. The effect is to make it difficult not only for Kerry to get traction in the race, but for any other candidate to get traction, as well. Then Dean proceeds to melt down--which sends people scurrying back to Kerry, who, as the former front-runner, is best positioned to re-absorb their support. (Again, no one other than Kerry has had a chance to emerge as an alternative to Dean during all the months Dean is padding his lead. Because of that, Kerry remains the de facto alternative.) And then, to cap things off, the instant conventional wisdom about how Dean (and Gephardt) lost Iowa is that they were too negative--which makes every candidate reluctant to criticize the new front-runner from this point forward. In a nutshell, Dean took a lot of voters out of play early and sat on them, then handed them over to Kerry just before the voting started, then made it virtually impossible for anyone to win them back. Kerry, as the beneficiary of such an incredible set of circumstances, does not strike me as a battle-hardened candidate. He strikes me as an extremely lucky SOB.

Which brings me back to Dean's new message and why it's not at all clear Kerry can survive being on the receiving end of it for very long. Dean is now attacking Kerry for being on the wrong side of not one, but two, Iraq wars--the first of which happened to be both enormously popular and enormously successful. Dean's message is obviously a two-fer (or maybe even a three-fer): It casts Dean as someone who stands firmly within the foreign policy mainstream, it casts Kerry as someone who tilts with the prevailing political winds (or political wisdom), at least within the Democratic Party (where the first Gulf war was less popular than in the country at large), and it casts Kerry, who still defends his Gulf war no-vote, as either downright incoherent or, if you're more charitably inclined, too nuanced by half.

So what was Kerry's response to Dean's charge? As The Washington Post lays it out today:

"I said we ought to draw a line in the sand, couldn't have been more clear. But we had a very divided nation," he said. "That was actually a vote to go at that time, and I thought we ought to take a couple more months to build the support of the nation."
Like I said, I see no reason to believe Kerry can take a punch.
OH, AND ONE OTHER THING: Kerry's other defense against this Dean salvo is, not surprisingly, to invoke his experience in Vietnam:

"Those of us who served in Vietnam have a searing memory of what happens when presidents and politicians make decisions to send young people to war and the country isn't fully supportive of it," he said. "If things go wrong--which they often do in war--you want the support of the nation."
Forgive me for indulging my inner Andrew Sullivan here, but doesn't this amount to a complete abdication of leadership? Surely there are times when the use of military force is both morally imperative and either highly controversial or altogether opposed by the American public--Bosnia, Rwanda, and Kosovo all come to mind. Isn't it the role of the president to overcome this reluctance and do the right thing anyway?
And, more relevant to the campaign, if Kerry can't do better than this against Howard Dean, how on earth is he going to take on George W. Bush?


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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:10 PM
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1. marty peretz of tnr hates kerry for some stupid personal reason.
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:16 PM
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3. Tho peretz does have the nice "Jerusalem Journal" article now and againn/t
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:12 PM
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2. what's next
Bill O'Reilly talking points?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:17 PM
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4. this last sentence is exactly what my thought is about kerry
"And, more relevant to the campaign, if Kerry can't do better than this against Howard Dean, how on earth is he going to take on George W. Bush?"
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:20 PM
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6. how much better do you want him to do?
Two states - two convincing wins.



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maxr4clark Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:48 PM
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10. A New Englander winning in NH doesn't impress me

Kerry winning in Iowa was mildly impressive; he is a long-time politician with high name recognition, and was the ONLY candidate competing in Iowa with a background in foreign policy. But Edwards was more impressive, taking second with so little history in public service to run on.

What I find impressive in NH is not that Kerry beat Dean, or that Kerry and Dean took first and second. It is that Clark beat Edwards.
Edwards came out of Iowa with tons of momentum; Clark's press had ALL been negative, and still he impressed voters enough to take third. That tells me that people ARE worried about foreign policy and DO believe that Clark has the kind of background we need in the White House.

With Kerry winning both Iowa and NH, he can be expected to win everywhere he goes, other than other candidates' home states. Edwards might win in SC on Tuesday, but that won't be very impressive; he was born there. It would be impressive if he won somewhere else, but that isn't likely. The only other candidate who is in the running to win a state is Clark. Again, I think Clark may get the most impressive results on Tuesday, as far as alternatives to Kerry go.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:19 PM
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5. Bwaaahahah -- "That was actually a vote to go at that time..."
Unbelievable. Kerry actually thinks he can get away with that Orwellian bit of nonsense? God, he really HAS been taking plays from Bush too. What a moran.

This is a terrific article: "extremely lucky SOB.... too nuanced by half" -- or perhaps 3x as much as that, even.
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Metrix Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:22 PM
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7. I'll post the vote every time this subject comes up
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 10:23 PM by Metrix
For those who may have no memory of the period:

January 12, 1991
Nays (47)
Democrats (45 or 82%)
Adams, Akaka, Baucus, Bentsen, Biden, Bingaman, Boren, Bradley, Bumpers, Burdick, Byrd, Conrad, Daschle, DeConcini, Dixon, Dodd, Exon, Ford, Fowler, Glenn, Harkin, Hollings, Inouye, Kennedy, Kerrey, Kerry, Kohl, Lautenberg, Leahy, Levin, Metzenbaum, Mikulski, Mitchell, Moynihan, Nunn, Pell, Pryor, Riegle, Rockefeller, Sanford, Sarbanes, Sasser, Simon, Wellstone, Wirth

Republicans (2 or 5%)
Grassley, Hatfield
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:28 PM
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8. The author does make one good point
If Kerry isn't properly tested in a baptism of fire in the primary, how can we be sure that he won't be able to stand up to Bush?
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Metrix Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:33 PM
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9. I'd like to see the mediocre and irrelevant candidates gone
so Clark, Edwards, and Kerry could really debate the issues. Without Tonya Harding grabbing all the attention.
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katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:59 PM
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15. We can't!
There is no way answers like the one Kerry gave in this article will work in the general election.

Military service or not, he will be perceived as too wishy-washy to trust with the defense of this country! His votes to cut intelligence and defense budgets won't help either.

Vote Edwards!
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:53 PM
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11. John Kerry -- Mediocrity Personified in the U.S. Senate
Even Kerry's supporters will admit -- off the record -- that he has a pretty meager record of accomplishment for a four-term senator. If the people of Massachusetts need something done, they turn to Kennedy.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:03 PM
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17. Yup, let's see how he can take it now...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:55 PM
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12. Is this some sort of drug induced dream?
Flitting references, half-quotes, and bits of articles represent whatever this writer (?) imagines John Kerry would say if he were confronted by several different pundits screaming gibberish.

Instead of actually informing the reader by providing at least one of John Kerry's extremely eloquent statements describing why he voted for the Iraq resolution, he asks us to view the Senator's words through his psychotic mind's eye. Better that he sleeps through to the convention and then tell us how his dream ends.
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katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:02 PM
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16. Wake up!
Long, eloquent statements won't stand up in a general election. Voters want streightforward answers. Democrats need to learn what Republicans learned a long time ago: decisive and wrong beats nuanced and right.

We need an effective messenger who can make our case in simple English! Vote John Edwards!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:08 PM
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18. Platitudes Don't Really Contain ANY Message So Edwards Is Hardly
An Effective Messenger.


For reference, please see Edward's performance in the last debate.

By the way, he was the son of a MIDDLE CLASS MILL MANAGER who went on to own his own business.
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katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:55 PM
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13. Edwards is the Most Electable!!
There is no way Kerry's veteran status will get him through a campaign against George W. Bush. Karl Rove will be sure to bring up Kerry's vote on the Gulf War as well as his votes to cut intelligence and defense budgets.

Remember Max Cleland, a vet who lost 3 limbs in Vietnam. Republicans pictured him with Osama Bin Ladin and he lost to a Republican draft-dodger. A record of military service does not mean Kerry is strong on defense. Rove will bring up all of the inconsistencies in his long voting record and many public statements to make him look like an untrustworthy politician without the leadership abilities necessary to defend this country.

Edwards is the one who will win becuase he connects with people and knows how to make choose his words. His positive, optimistic message will make it more difficult for Bush to attack him. In the final analysis, people vote for the candidate they like not the candidate with the best resume. Just ask Al Gore and Grey Davis!
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:56 PM
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14. Brilliant analysis.
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