boehner on hardball talking about south dakota and abortion.

[catmother]

said the people have spoken. well you know what really bugs me? NO MAN has the right to tell any WOMAN what she can do with HER body. i don't care if it's her husband, her priest, the pope, the republican party. it's HER body and HER choice.

you men out there can flame me if you want.

[Virginia Dare]

1. Won't flame you at all...I fully agree.

no man should have an opinion whatsoever on the matter.

[LostinVA]

2. Get ready for all the flames

Because you know "they" love to come out when someone posts this... I have "Ignore" all ready...

[catmother]

3. i'm wearing my flame-retardent birka.

:sarcasm:

[LostinVA]

9. Ha! I'll watch your back for you...

[radio4progressives]

13. You're kidding? Are you serious? People would flame you for this?

i mean here? on DU?

[LostinVA]

32. Are you being serious?

Have you read some of the misogynistic crap that gets posted here?

[DURHAM D]

5. I totally agree with you. I always tell men,

who insist they have a dog in this fight, that when they get a uterus implant they can have an opinion.

[TAPat]

4. The people have not spoken!

There was no referendum on this crap so the people have not spoken!!!!
The tight-a** white male m. effers in power have spoken - all the rest of us be damned!

:puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke:

[truebrit71]

6. Can you imagine the outrage if the roles were reversed?

If men got pregnant, freedom of choice would be in the Bill of Rights...

I'm a fella, and I agree 100%.

How DARE we preach to Arab countries that repress their women-folk, when Neanderthalic laws like this are passed right here in the US...

More right-wing hypocrisy.... :eyes:

[catmother]

10. my husband agrees with you. joy baher (comedian) said "if

men could get pregnant abortions would be available at supercuts".

[truebrit71]

14. ..or Jiffy Lube...

;-)

[catmother]

17. oh yeah. that would be a great place.

:pals:

[AValdoux]

16. Can you imagine if at birth...

...the birth mother has to name the birth father and he would be required by law to provide support or get thrown in jail. He could contest paternity but not his responsibility. The support required is based on need not how much the father decides to earn or report, mandatory amount that will provide for the child. Fathers will monitored by a national system that will jail a man who misses one child support payment. Also if the father is over the age of 18 and the mother is under the age of consent (17), his name will entered in a sexual predator registry.

Sounds kinda of harsh? no exceptions? How does the shoe feel on the male foot? When unplanned births are discussed the father's behavior is never addressed.


AValdoux

[catmother]

18. you're absolutely right. no exceptions.

:yourock:

[chelsea0011]

7. The people have spoken? Huh? 75% polled across the nation

think there should be some form of abortion. The Supreme Court ruled in 1974 making it a law. Millions of abortions performed nationally. I think the people have spoken. They want the choice.

[Jacobin]

8. The 'people spoke' when they enacted Jim Crow laws

The 'people spoke' when state legislatures enacted laws trying to require teaching of religion in public schools.

There are a lot of instances of the 'people speaking' through their state legislatures which have resulted in such laws being held unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

Unfortunately, we now have a Bushized SCOTUS and there is no telling how far they will allow state legislatures and the federal legislature to go in reducing the rights and privacy of citizens, while allowing corporations to continue on their binges.

We are screwed.

[radio4progressives]

11. are there people here that would flame you for this?

off with the gloves.. it's time for a slap down! :hi:

[catmother]

15. yes. i have seen posts by men on DU who are pro-life. in fact

one that i saw completely surprised me. changed my whole opinion of him.:cry:

[wicket]

22. I know what you mean

:(

[LostinVA]

33. Actually, many of them are anti-women

Nasty stuff they post.

[MasonJar]

12. It is easy for men and women past menopause to require other

human beings to carry babies the pregnant women do not want for 9 long months, sometimes with deadly consequences. Then those same assinine anti-abortionists refuse to help support the unfortunate and unwanted infant. These people have no more idea than you or I what is in the mind of God, and yet they spout the Biblical passages that suit their purposes and ignore the words of Jesus and his Beatitudes. As Paul so wisely advised, "Why should my liberty be subject to the judgement of another man's conscience?"

[catmother]

19. i went into menopause at the age of 42. never changed my mind

about choice. i had younger sisters back then. now i have nieces and i don't want them or any other woman to go through what i went through back in the early 60s.

i had an aunt who actually douched with amonia. she did not miscarry and fortunately the child was born okay. but women will go to extreme means when there is an unwanted pregnancy.

[Bobbieo]

20. The People Have Spoken

Unfortunately, that is true!!! It happened when all those assholes voted George Bush into office in 2000. I realize the election was rigged but it was all those people who voted for him that allowed it to be rigged. REMEMBER the first thing W did when he became president - Cut off U.S. funding to International Planned Parenthood. That was the tip-off of things to come, right there.

[LincolnMcGrath]

21. They are everywhere. Like locusts!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2495931

[catmother]

25. yeah. i saw that.

:puke:

[Eurobabe]

23. STFU Boner!

Don't you tell me what I can do with my body, I am NOT a fucking vessel (nor vassal either)

[Nederland]

24. No flames

Just a point to be made. People who oppose abortion believe that you are not talking only about a women's body. They believe that a fetus is a person too. This dilutes the strength of your argument for two reasons:

1) You are mis-representing the opinions of your opponents.
2) You are disagreeing with what the Supreme Court said in Roe vs. Wade.

Now I suspect that you could give a shit about what your opponents say, but you really need to address #2. Unless we make arguments that are consistent with Roe vs. Wade we will lose.

[Bobbieo]

29. Arguments Consistent With Roe Wade

What No Flames says is true. Give us some arguments/tips on how to be consistent with Roe vs Wade.

[Nederland]

30. Tips

What the Supreme Court wrote in Roe vs. Wade is that early in a pregnancy the rights of the women are paramount, but that the rights of the fetus increase over time. In other words, it is not a black and white thing. According to RvW, during the first trimester a woman's right to abortion is absolute, but by the third trimester you have to take into account the needs and rights of the fetus. Any argument that we on the pro-choice side make needs to be consistent with this aspect of RvW. We cannot, as the OP has suggested, insist that it is a women's body, only a women's body, and that's that. (Well, we can, but we will lose any court case based on that argument).

What we need to do, IMHO, is to address the real issue as it was identified in RvW: when does the fetus acquire rights. I've always argued, for example, that something without a heartbeat and without brain waves (which describes a first trimester fetus) can't possibly have rights. In all my years of arguing this point, I've never had a fundie come back with a strong argument to this.

[catmother]

35. good point. i personally would have it done as soon as i knew

that i was pregnant -- probably 6-8 weeks, but i had a friend who had an IUD and was getting her period. she did gain some weight -- but she had a tendency to put on weight. she went to the doctor and was shocked to find out she was pregnant. i don't remember how far along she was, but it was done in the hospital by our (we had the same doctor) gynocologist. i was able to pick her up that afternoon and drive her home. i stayed with her until the boyfriend arrived. it was very sad. she was at the age where she wanted a child but the jerk of a boyfriend was married with kids and had another girlfriend with 2 kids. so it was pretty much impossible for her to have this child.

fortunately she met a nice single man and got rid of the jerk. she got married and had 2 children.

so i don't know whether the fetus had a heartbeat or brain waves. they didn't do sonograms back then when you were going to have an abortion.

so in this case it was my friends right, not the fetus' right.

it's a complicated issue. i've never had an abortion. i know that if i became pregnant i would, but i was careful. but my friend was careful too. the IUD didn't do what it was supposed to.

let's just all hope that roe v. wade stays.

[MrSlayer]

26. Well, apparently they can.

I agree with you but this law doesn't and soon enough national policy will not either. It's sad to see our society devolve in such a manner.

[benny05]

27. I liked your flame resistant apparel answer

lol

Aside from that, will there will another website, like NewsHounds.us, that will watch MSNBC (except Keith) so that we don't have to? :-)

[zulchzulu]

28. I'd say 99% of DU men totally agree with you

This SD bill is a tragedy. The only silver lining is that they may have overreacted and it will totally backfire on the Repugs that agree with the bill.

I can see plenty of Repug moderates who see this as the last straw and jump ship.

[LostinVA]

34. I'd say it's less than that

According to posts I've read here over the years... *sigh*

[AsinineAutumn]

31. When this does go to the Supreme Court

do you think Roe V Wade will be overturned???

[Disturbed]

36. A female, Dem Senator was co-sponsor

of this awful bill. That really caught me by surprise.

[Skittles]

37. deleted

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[Nederland]

38. No

Stevens, Souter, Breyer, Ginsberg, Kennedy will certainly voted to uphold.

Roberts will very likely vote to uphold.

Alito will likely vote to uphold.

Thomas and Scalia will probably vote to overturn, but even they may vote to uphold.


In short, I predict at least a 6-3 vote to uphold, but I wouldn't be shocked to see a 9-0 vote to uphold.

[WCGreen]

39. I'm a man...... And you are soooo right sister.......

[Sawkrates]

40. How many members of the SD legislature are women?

Out of pure unadulterated curiosity?

[Nederland]

41. Irrelevant

Opinions on abortion have no correlation to gender.

[Sawkrates]

43. Oh it most certainly is not irrelevant

This is a much more theoretical question for men.

Guys can discuss wether or not abortion is right, but regardless of how this turns out they'll never have to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.

For example I doubt many women have ever engaged in a conversation about how overturning Roe v Wade might actually be a good thing for the left.

[Nederland]

44. Sorry

When I said it was irrelevant what I meant was that it would not affect the outcome politically. This is because if you removed men from the equation you would still have the same percentage of people on both sides of the issue. In fact, some polls show that women are slightly more likely to be pro-life than men, but the difference is usually within the margin of error.

[Sawkrates]

45. Don't worry about it

My response was a touch snappish

Though I'd still be curious to know the answer

[ncteechur]

42. totally agree-no flame here.

I wonder if all these right-wing zealots will be willing to adopt the children conceived from rape or incest to women who cannot end their pregnancy.

If you don't have a uterus, you should simply STFU!!