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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:10 PM
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$2000+ donations to Kerry = 55% of his total / $2000+ to Dean = 13%
Compiled from Q3 2003 figures

Will the percentage of Kerry's donations from rich fat cats rise to even higher levels in Q4 2003 ?

The numbers are being crunched now.

We shall see.

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/donordems.asp

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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:13 PM
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1. do you mean a total of 2K per individual or single 2k checks?
A number of people have given 2k to Dean, but over several months...
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:14 PM
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2. You know what's messed up about that site...
...is that I've given over $200 to Dean, so I'm supposed to be on there, and I don't show up!

Is it supposed to be for people that give over $200 in one donation?

Man, I wanna be on a list of Dean supporters!

I found out my boss gave and didn't tell me.
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:19 PM
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3. It must track single donations
I've given more than $200 to Deanforamerica, and my name doesn't show up either.

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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:29 PM
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4. They're supposed to report donations of $250 or more by a single
person, whether in one lump sum or over time. So if you gave $25 a week for 10 weeks, you get reported.
However, if you hit $250 in Q4, that info probably isn't in the database yet. It was just due yesterday, and it takes awhile for everything to be checked out and uploaded (even through e-filing).
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:07 PM
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10. Dates
Only contributors whose donations exceed $200 in aggregate by 9/30/03 are listed.
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buckeye1 Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:38 PM
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5. Help needed !
No one can give more than $2000. The chart indicates that Bush leads Dean with Kerry third.

Is there a point here?
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:47 PM
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6. Depends on how you define large contributions
Dean has recieved a number of contributions from large organizations made to look smaller by using the process of bundling, which is to take a large contribution, and make it look like many small ones by breaking it up into smaller contributions form the employees of an organization. The University of California gave Dean 67,000 dollars by engaging in this practice, in which te organization gives the money, in the name of their employees, who may or may not have supported the candidate:

If you look at this article, Deans first contributions came from energy sources, and receive 5000 dllars from one source, which is in excess of the 2000 dollar individual limit.

http://timesargus.com/Legislature/Story/43125.html

Dean raises money from energy sources
February 27, 2002

By David Gram

ASSOCIATED PRESS

MONTPELIER — When Gov. Howard Dean wanted to raise money for a possible presidential bid, he followed the example of a former governor of Texas and called on his friends in the energy industry.

Nearly a fifth of the roughly $111,000 collected in its first months by Dean’s presidential political action committee, the Fund for a Healthy America, came from people with ties to Vermont’s electric utilities, according to a recent Federal Elections Commission filing.

One donor who gave Dean’s PAC the maximum amount allowed — $5,000 — said he did so because he and his wife “agree with many of the things the fund is talking about — fiscal conservatism, education, health care.”


http://timesargus.com/Legislature/Story/43125.html


The only reason that Dean can claim that his campaign is funded by small contributions is that he will not open the list of contributors to allow examinations to see if any of it is bundled contributions.

The money he got from the energy industry, the very first money he collected in his campaign, certainly show all of the signs of bundling, in which an organization takes a large sum, and divided it up into smaller sums from "individuals" within that organization.



The Center for Public Integrity released a book today, "The Buying of the President 2004," which profiles the fundraising of all the major party candidates for president, and tracks each candidate's relationship to his or her "career patrons," those who have given to the candidate throughout his or her career.

The Center for Public Integrity released a book today, "The Buying of the President 2004," which profiles the fundraising of all the major party candidates for president, and tracks each candidate's relationship to his or her "career patrons," those who have given to the candidate throughout his or her career.

According to the book, corporate scandal poster-child Enron is still the career leader for President Bush, having given over $600,000 to the various Bush campaigns. Dean's largest backer, at over $60,000, is Time Warner, while Kerry has received $230,796 from his No. 1 backer, law firm Mintz, Levin, Cohen, Ferris, Glovsky and Popeo.

http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/blog/index.cfm?startrow=41&maxrows=20

An article that is a little old indicated that Dean's largest campaign contributions came from a large corporations AOL TIME WARNER.

Kerry's largest contribution was much larger and came from lawyers, but this law firm is a highly activist law firm, politivcally engaged in liberal causes, and is another case of bundling. A bunch of lawyers who like John Kerry got together and deonted to him. Snce they all work for one corporation it is treated as one corporation.

I personally worked for a law firm that has also contributed to Kerry. The head of the firm who also contributed to both Kerry and Bob Graham was the first person in the entire United Sttes to demand the impeachment of Richard Nixon after Watergate, so contributions from lawyers or lawfirms are not in particularyl bad corporate contributions. Not even corporate contributions in reality, as most law firms are not corporations, but in fact, pprofessional associations. Time Warner, thats a corporation, with lobbyists, and legislation it wants passed regarding regulatory matters. Lawyers rarely have isued which involve regulatory legislation that affects their profits. Occasionally, but not on the regular basis that places like Time Warner do.

The only thing that makes Deans campaign "people powered" is the way Dean has decided to define the bundling of money from large corporations, as from small contributors, by breaking up the large donation, into smaller ones.

For example Rob Reiner gave a small house party and raised 125,000 for Dean, in much larger than 100 dollar chunks.There were not 1250 people in Reiners home giving 100 dollars each.

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Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor, has benefited from supporters who can leverage their extensive contacts into campaign donations. Actor-director Rob Reiner raised $125,000 for Dean at an event at his house in Los Angeles on June 18.

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Bundling

Other candidates have been more up front and open about their contributionms and who they have come from. There are a number of other coporations in the telecommunications industry. like Time Warner who have donated large sums to Dean, but in order to meet Deans criteria, the donations are divided into smaller packets , from individuals. so that Dean can state that his contributions come from the little people.

It is a matters of semanatics and figuring. Since Dean is claiming that this money comes from small individuals, they can get around the rules requiring that the list be opened to the public.

But there is some evidence that Dean is using the last loophole that allows a cndidate to get around campign finace reforms.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:57 PM
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7. flat out false
Dean's contributers, just like everyone elses, are an open book. Stop quoting liars.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:24 PM
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17. What is flat out false
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 01:32 PM by Nicholas_J
Is that Dean does not raise money from large special interests.

Howard Dean's top career patrons are Time Warner, $65,225; Microsoft Corp., $25,100, and IBM Corp., $23,250.

When governor, Dean pushed for utility contract provisions that "cost Vermont families millions of dollars," but pleased Central Vermont Public Service Corp., which donated more than $10,000 to Dean's Fund for a Healthy America PAC.

http://www.benningtonbanner.com/Stories/0,1413,104~8676~1880270,00.html


And Dean STILL refuses access to the informations about this energy group in order to determine who was involved, and who favored his involvement by contributing to hiom, so Dean is covering it up through the sealingof his records:

CLF seeks details of Dean administration’s talks with utilities
March 11, 2002

(from the State section)
By SUSAN SMALLHEER Southern Vermont Bureau

MONTPELIER — The Conservation Law Foundation will file a freedom of information request with the Dean administration today to find out how many contacts it has had with Vermont utility executives over the pending sale of the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant.

Mark Sinclair, senior attorney with the environmental group, said Monday that recent news reports about the financial contributions made by Vermont utility executives or board members to Gov. Howard Dean’s presidential campaign political action committee were “too much of a coincidence.”

http://rutlandherald.com/Archive/Articles/Article/43924

Lets look at how much IBM benefited from the money they gave to Dean.

It is overwhelmingly amusing to see Dean attacking others on issues of collecting from special interest groups when there are significant contributions to his cmapaign, and he has the records sealed which could link those contributions to political favors.

Dean cleverly talks avout limiting the size of contributions, but not the number of times a person can repeat those contributions, nor from who thmose contributions come.



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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:00 PM
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9. The law firm is his brother
Funny how they just never seem to get that bit of info in these articles. His brother raised money for him, what a shock!!
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:59 PM
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8. So everyone who donates $2k is a fat cat, then.
Is the Democratic party the party of fat cats, really?
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:34 AM
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11. Yup - IMO Anybody who gives $2k campaign donation is a 'fat cat' -nt-
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:27 PM
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19. LOOK AT ME!!!
I'm a fat cat!!!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:35 AM
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12. Dean said $2000 were 11% this morning on MTP nt
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:45 AM
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13. Kerry will get millions more in contributions after Feb. 3 victories
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:02 AM
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14. crunch those numbers 'til the cows come home!
Crunch 'em, 'cause Dean is done.
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:45 AM
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15. That's pretty ironic coming from a so called 'Kucinich Supporter' -nt-
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:22 PM
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24. are you questioning my creds?
I am a genuine DK supporter, and you will never hear me whine about the money, or who has raised what, and how much.

DK is off-topic. This thread is about Dean and kerry's fund-raising.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:52 AM
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16. and how is Dennis doing?
Broken that 3% barrier yet?
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:25 PM
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25. again, off topic
Dean supporters who don't like the sorry facts about his money-wasting campaign always come after me with an attack on DK, rather than trying to rebut the obvious truth: Dean is toast, and a money-wasting candidate at that.

Perhaps if a DK supporter posts a thread about HIS money, then you will have a point. But this thread is about Kerry and Dean.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:27 PM
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18. By that standard
Kucinich edges out Dean for populist based funding, and Clark comes in third. It's easy to see who the outsider candidates are.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:35 PM
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20. So what???
So will Dean send back every $2000 donation he's received since he doesn't think money from fat cats is a good thing? So where exactly is the cutoff that Dean feels is an ok contribution? $100, $200, $500? SOmething under $2000 apparently.

The people Dean seems comfortable representing gets smaller every day.

This actually sounds like sour grapes on Dean's part. If he had received more $2000 contributions I suspect he wouldn't be complaining. Since Kerry has more, Dean's decided to make an issue about the integrity of not only Kerry, but his contributors as well.

MzPip
:dem:
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:39 PM
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21. Raise your hand if you're surprised
No one?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:59 PM
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22. What an odd way to look at it
You'd think if someone really supports a candidate, they give them the maximum amount of $2000. If they give them $200, then maybe they don't support the candidate that strongly.

Yes, there is the affordability factor. But to spin the fact that more people have given $2000 to Kerry than Dean is some kind of evil antic is a bit trite.

Do you think the Dean campaign doesn't want people to max out their $2000 limit?
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:01 PM
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23. Like, who cares? I'm neither a Kerry nor a Dean supporter. I
don't care if their donations come in $2K chunks or $75 chunks.

ALL candidates have had special interests donate to their campaigns. Just try to win a campaign w/o it.
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