Has Kerry lost much support in the past few days over Sp. Interest?

[Quixote1818]

Has anyone decided not to vote for Kerry now? Will this effect Tuesdays outcome?

[Old and In the Way]

1. Please don't confuse DU with the real world

Kerry's campaign is gaining steam.

[onehandle]

17. That wisdom is true...

...on almost any subject. This is not the real world.

[blm]

2. Those numbers were deliberately misleading. Kerry never took pac money

from special interests and corporations.

Dean's camp is promoting those numbers after those numbers were gathered from all the data over 19 YEARS and lumped individual donors together by profession and workplace. I can only guess who did the actual compilation, but, guessing Dean camp would be a good start since they are the only camp promoting it for the last few days all over the airwaves.

Kerry's largest donor was his brother's coworkers at the firm he worked with. 220.000 dollars over a 19 year period. Bush gets that from 1 Pioneer in 1 election cycle.

btw....would Dean like to use that exact same formula to detail HIS campaign contributions over his entire career?

[Cuban_Liberal]

5. Factual issue.

Dr. Dean didn't gather the numbers.

[blm]

7. Uh huh....It's been Dean supporters pushing it as an issue.

Now PLEASE admit the truth about the formula used to arrive at those figures, and where are Dean's numbers using that exact same formula?

[bigtree]

8. John Kerry's revenue sources

John Kerry Releases Fundraiser Names in Effort to Improve Transparency
Challenges Democratic Rivals to Follow His Lead
October 21, 2003
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2003_1021b.html


John Kerry's donor list:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/donors.pdf

[girl gone mad]

20. Follow his lead?

Kerry wasn't the first to do this, it was others who pressured him. Now he wants to claim he's the leader?

Whatever.

[Cuban_Liberal]

10. Can you prove that?

Back up your statement with facts, please, or withdraw it as factually insupportable. Please see Rule #8. Thank you.

[blm]

13. There are several apparent threads from Dean supporters about this issue.

Dean brought it up yesterday and on MTP. Are you denying that his camp is making it an issue? What is this thread about?

Can you use the exact same formula on Dean's career donations that were used for Kerry or not?

[Cuban_Liberal]

14. Please support your statement, or withdraw it.

Please see Rule #8. If and when the statement is supported with facts, I will debate it.

[blm]

16. What statement aren't you clear on?

btw...I notice you don't defend Edwards on Edwards threads with the constant attention you give to defend and promote donations to Dean?

[Cuban_Liberal]

19. Please prove that Dean's campaign compiled the figures.

I was quite clear in my objection to your initial statement. On a related note, when, where and how I post is none of your damned business, and your comments in that regard are out of line.

[blm]

22. No they are not out of line It was a comment on an observation.

And it is the Dean campaign that is making this an issue and Dean himself is the only one making it an issue along with his spokespeople on every show they are on for the last few days.

So....which campaign is responsible?

[Cuban_Liberal]

24. Please prove that the Dean campaign compiled the figures.

Secondly, not only is it out of line, it is also a rule violation, just like an observation about my post count would be, e.g. .

[blm]

26. No. people say things about me all the time because

I have consistently been against Dean based on his lack of integrity and his centrist corporatism. I do not mind that they make an observation that I have been against Dean for a year now. It's a true observation.

My observation is not an attack on you. It's an observation based on a fact, just like anyone pointing out that I have been against Dean for a year now would be an accurate observation and not an attack on me personally.

[Cuban_Liberal]

27. Your proof that the Dean campaign compiled the figures, please? n/t

[blm]

29. Your figures for Dean using same formula as Kerry, please.

.

[Cuban_Liberal]

30. I never made that assertion.

I understand that Rule #8 requires me to provide a factual basis for statements not generally accepted as true.

[Quixote1818]

33. The story was broke by the Media not Dean. Dean just picked up on it

[girl gone mad]

18. That sure isn't what impartial observers believe.

"The note of reality is he has been brought to you by special interests," said Charles Lewis of the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, a watchdog group that has closely studied the senator's relationship with special interests. "It's very hard to utter this rhetoric without some hollowness to it."

"I think it's harder for someone like Kerry to take on" Bush over special interests "because he's taken money . . . from a lot of the same" corporate sectors, added Larry Noble, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which monitors money in politics. Dean, who has raised more money than Kerry in this campaign, has taken considerably less from lobbyists.

[blm]

28. Then let them point to any corporate pac money he has taken.

They cannot.

Individual donors who work with environmental firms and causes and prounion lobbyists gave as much over 19 years as any other donor could give.

Kerry was "bought" a $1000 bucks at a time? Or now, $2000 at a time?

[goodhue]

3. no

[abburdlen]

4. Superbowl weekend?

I don't think the majority of americans are paying much attention to politics this weekend.

[zulchzulu]

6. People know Dean is lying about his accusations

Aside from people still mesmerized by Dean, everyone else sees Howard as someone whose only play left is the Hail Mary pass (to put it in Super Bowl terms).

Whoops. Another incomplete pass.

[Quixote1818]

9. The people I have talked to are thinking twice about Kerry now.

I think it will hurt him.

[blm]

11. Did you give them details on Dean's donations using the same formula used

to make those accusations?

Do you HAVE access to the numbers for Dean using the exact same formula lumping all donations made over his entire career?

[girl gone mad]

21. Dean lying about accusations?

You are in denial.

[blm]

31. Yes he is. Those are lumped individual donations over 19 years.

Put up Dean's numbers using that exact same formula.

[arewethereyet]

12. I hope so as it puts more votes in Edwards' column

but I kinda doubt it. Many of the people who voted for him are behind those special interest dollars.

[poskonig]

15. I'm staying put for now.

I'd most likely switch my vote if a major candidate started speaking out against the obscene defense budget.

With Kerry, I'd need to see some outstanding special-interesty votes he made on critical issues in order for such charges to be persuasive.

[girl gone mad]

23. Clark and Kucinich

have both spoken out against bloated defensee and pentagon waste.

[BruinAlum]

25. Last I noticed, Kerry was still gaining in the polls

[Quixote1818]

34. This story just broke yesterday. It won't show up in a tracking poll

for two days.

[NashVegas]

32. Two Things

1. I don't think you'll see Kerry lose the support of his DU base.

2. The important thing about Kerry taking SI money isn't that he's taken it, it's that he's lied in saying he takes none.