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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:13 PM
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Down & Out in SC
This is the mindset we are up against.

On Friday evening several friends and I hosted a Clark fundraiser attended by Mrs. Clark, Congressmen Charles Rangel and William Jefferson, US Civil Rights Commissioner Mary Frances Berry and SC's former Governor Jim Hodges, all of whom were great. Over 800 invitations were sent, the venue was perfect (across from both the State House and Clark campaign headquarters) and the time was convenient -- right after work so folks could drop in directly from the many downtown workplaces. Yet, attendance was only fair and collections were far less than expected.

Same evening after that event, I went to an annual Black Sorority affair that was jam packed with well-heeled folks. So, still adorned with my Clark buttons, I decided to work the room. To the many undecideds, I pitched my plea about why I thought Clark was best and hopefully won some converts. Unfortunately, I encountered people who are planning to vote for Sharpton because "I like what he says and he's saying things the others can't/won't." Fair enough, I replied more times than I can recall but then countered that to make their votes really count and propel the right person to the nomination, they should vote for Clark and send some money to Sharpton to keep him on the trail and his voice in the 'debates'. Then there were the Kerry people whose only reason for support was "he's leading and he's electable." And last, perhaps the most disheartening, "well, I don't know enough to make up my mind." My retort for that was you do know that you don't want Bush and that any of the Democratic candidates would be better, but it's simply that we have to pick the right candidate...

Yesterday, Saturday, I'm still campaigning only this time at a predominantly White function. I knew a handful of people who know of my son's interest in the military (he would love to be a Ranger) and of the fact that I am holding him back (literally bribing him not to sign on any dotted line until Bush is out and the US is out of Iraq). Anyway, I used their queries about my boy to launch into why Iraq was the wrong war, at the wrong time, etc... Guess what y'all, the media has done a great job because the general responses I got were: "well, I'm glad we went over there before they come back and hurt us."

I am so despondent. I feel there is so much (perhaps too much) ignorance, apathy and indifference to overcome. Then it does not help that the media here has nearly completely ignored Clark. It's as though he were invisible. The stupid STATE newspaper ran 2 front page photos of Edwards in a single week, the more recent of which depicts him speaking comfortingly to a woman who lost her son in Iraq. No mention of course that Edwards' signing over war power to Bush helped put her son in harm's way.

The media blitz for Kerry and Edwards is amazing considering that a mere 2 weeks ago Kerry was not even on the radar screen. He had announced his candidacy at Patriot's Point in Charleston (a political ploy) in September but had not returned since. Native son Edwards was not thought too highly of either. In fact, his announcement of candidacy on the campus of the University of South Carlina's main campus here in Columbia was met with a disruptive, jeering crowd of young reptilians, I mean republicans. In the meantime, Clark has spent more time here with an active network of campaign people, paid and volunteer.

One of my selling points to those many people here that loathe Bush but feel disenfranchised being in a state that has given the White House to the Bushes in 2 elections is a simple story:

we want, we need outsiders who truly understand the plight of working people and who have lived the American Dream. That ticket should be Clark-Edwards. Two men from humble backgrounds, whose success is rooted in education and opportunity and who want to give back that educational opportunity to others. One man understands war, foreign policy and the inside workings of the Pentagon and is not afraid to take on the Pentagon's bloated budget and put money in education and healthcare. The other is a Washington newbie, still new enough to be able to look at things from an outsider's perspective but has some valuable experience with how things work in Washington that can be helpful in getting things done. That's a ticket that would appeal to the masses, carry southern/sunbelt states that Clinton won but Gore lost and most important, can defeat Bush.

I hope I have won some supporters, but what I have sadly discovered is that we are not only a fractured nation, we are a terribly splintered party and that may be our undoing and lead to defeat in Novemeber.

It's now Sunday, only 1:15 in the afternoon. I don't give a rip about the superbowl and after what I've seen this weekend, I am going to get an early start on a bottle of fig vodka, the only good thing I can think of at the moment.

Y'all have a good day, and enjoy the 2004 version of bread and circuses: patriots vs panthers
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:25 PM
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1. You encounter people who plan on voting for a candidate
Because they like what the candidate says and you find that unfortunate, "unfortunately," you said.

And you wonder why you didn't get more people flocking to your candidate.
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freetempe Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:30 PM
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4. He/She also said "Fair Enough"
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 01:32 PM by freetempe
I think the most troubling aspect of Carolina's post is people saying they will vote for Kerry because he's leading and getting great media. Talk about "sheeple".

Keep fighting for your candidate. I respect Wes Clark alot and would be proud to vote for him in November. Don't get discuraged, there are a lot of ignorant people out there, but remember you are doing everything you can to enlighten them, so don't give up.

edited for gender neutrality
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:36 PM
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9. Fair enough, but vote for Clark, because he's better
Is the message I get from this, even though he may not say what I want my candidate to say. I just have to shut up and vote for him in the better interest of her.

But to make us happy, she encourages us to keep sending money to our candidate to keep his voice as part of the debate.

What kind of double talk foolishness is this? What kind of fools do you make us out to be?
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:32 PM
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6. your point?
I'm Black and I like what Sharpton has to say too, but UNFORTUNATELY he cannot win. It's the unfortunate truth, unfortunately.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:38 PM
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10. You are right. He cannot win if people don't vote for him.
Let people vote who they want to vote for is my point.
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:33 PM
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8. Passion is not deplorable
We believe in Wesley Clark, and that is not an issue to which you can reprimand us for.

It IS unfortunate for Clark that in spite of his 3rd place showing in NH, the media has made him the invisible candidate. It IS unfortunate that in spite of Sharpton's lack of electablility people are still willing to waste their vote on him. Look, I LOVE Kucinich, but I know he doesn't have a chance in this primary, so I put my vote toward one of the electables. If Clark drops out, it will go to Dean or Edwards.

It is a sorry assed statement to say that our candidate doesn't have people flocking to him because his supporters are heart sick with the media treatment of him. It's not new... we've seen it for months, except now, it is propelling Kerry to a point where we fear we don't have a shot in hell at getting delegates. It IS unfortunate that no matter what Wes says and does, no one will have the opportunity to make an educated decision on him because they just don't know who the hell he is.
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texasmom Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:28 PM
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2. Oh Carolina..
Thank you so much for your hard work. I wish I could have been there to help you.
You never know what effect you had on the people you talked to.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:29 PM
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3. "I'm glad we went over there before they come back and hurt us."
What was that about sheeple?

Sorry you're bummed. Flame if you must, but some people are just dumb.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:39 PM
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11. that's what is so
maddening, saddening and frightening. Many of the people I have been around this weekend are educated professionals, but they get their news from the networks and FAUX. They don't/can't see the manipulation and don't have time, energy or inclination to read independently.

BTW, it was a nurse-doctor couple that felt we should go over there.
I was incredulous. I guess they represent the educated ignorant? Or the deluded dumb with college degrees ...
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:48 PM
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15. That
would burn me up. It may be small comfort, but you are trying to advance progressive ideas in one of the most conservative states in the nation. South Carolina can go to hell for all I care. The country will move forward without them (your efforts excepted, of course.)
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:32 PM
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5. I can really sympathize, Carolina.
I'd be hitting the fig vodka right about now if I had any.

The party does seem terribly splintered and its candidates so subject to media manipulation that we may not get the best person in the slot. Philosophically, I am 100% Kucinich and about 95% Sharpton, but most people I know aren't even considering either of them. But I also like Clark and Dean, with Kerry and Lieberman coming in last. Why is Kerry being anointed by the media and everyone else?? He voted for the war, for God's sake! If he didn't do the right thing then, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Clark and Kucinich are being totally ignored, and that's awful.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:33 PM
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7. Keep up your hard work
While I may disagree on your choice (I've been volunteering for Kerry since last spring), it is admirable of you to do so much hard work and show such dedication for Clark.

Keep your chin up!
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:41 PM
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12. It can be discouraging sometimes but it is worth it
as someone who has worked on plenty of losing campaigns, believe me, I know the feeling when you are passionate about your candidate but it just seems that people aren't listening... but you can't let it get you down...
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:45 PM
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13. My complete empathy.....
Living here in Texas (and one of the most Republican areas, the Dallas suburbs), I hear constantly that Dems will never win simply because this is Texas - no other reason! I mean, Satan himself could run, and as long as there was an "R" after his name he'd run away with the election (insert Republican Satan joke here).

When I grew up here, Texas used to be a Dem state. Not very Dem mind you, but at least you weren't afraid to out yourself as one, unlike today. Where is the logic in voting a certain way just because of how your state is labelled? Ugh! Talk about sheeple-think!

Anyway, to your dilemma.....as a Dean supporter, I am RIGHT THERE with you on the war voters. And the way the public at large just soaks up the "Saddam was a bad guy, so it's good he's gone, did you know he gassed his own people (screaming!!!!!!)????" mantra makes me physically ill. My question is always, "ok then, who next?"

I know I don't have much to offer you in the way of real support, it seems like it has to get MUCH worse before it can get better sometimes doesn't it? The good news, if you can call it that, is that the people who are too lazy to think for themselves are usually the same people who are too lazy to actually vote.

Hang in there, it's only people who truly care that ever make a real difference. I'm hoping that Gen Clark makes a clean sweep of the South, giving the DLC darling a run for his $$$.
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:48 PM
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14. Don't stay too down and out....
S.C. is one thing...and it is Edward's backyard....Kerry beats him, he's gone more than likely....He'll wait on a V.P. invitation which is almost certain to come.

Clark needs a state Tuesday, period. All Guns must now be pointed at Oklahoma, and North Dakota....

Get on the phone and call, call, call.....

I have a pre-paid phone card if you need minutes, P.M. me and I will give you the pin-number and toll-free access number.

I also, like the post this morning about the Dakota's and Arizona, New Mexico, native American Population.....they may just deliver a surprise Tuesday with their numbers alone.....

But the fire mission must be trained on these states....

Clark supporters we have two days...and counting...

They HAVE to give us MEDIA attention if the General pulls out a win on Tuesday, he may be the only candidate to have done so since Kerry!!!!
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:00 PM
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17. great idea
and no, I haven't given up. But ya see, I also worked in SC 2002 Senate and Gubernatorial campaigns and sent money to Minnesota for Mondale and Missouri for Carnahan cause I was so mindful of the balance of power in the Senate. All to no avail. Now I'm getting that sinking feeling all over again. I will never give up. I just feel that things won't change again (for the better) in my lifetime which really saddens me. I also just needed to vent.

Anyway, I have phone minutes but many thanks for the offer. I will see what I can do to help out in OK, AZ, NM, etc.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:53 PM
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16. good work and keep trying!
a 3rd in SC for Wes keeps us in the running...a win or two on in Feb and we'll get more press and momentum
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UGABrother Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:00 PM
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18. Keep fighting the good fight
I like Dean best but I empathize with your situation.

Keeping abreast of politics in any meaningful way takes a significant investment of time and energy, and most people would rather just not bother it seems. It doesn't help that the consequences of elections are usually invisible if you don't read the right websites.

My advice to you is to find an issue with that immediately impacts people's lives (I guess that's why taxes are always such a big issue) and be able to explain to people in 15 seconds or less why, if that person wants X, that person should consider supporting your candidate. Hopefully that will at least get them curious, and if you're lucky they might start researching the candidate in a deeper way.
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