"C'mon Paulie baby -- we stab your back, you stab their backs..."

[brentspeak]

"...and it all works out in the end. Badda-bing, badda-boom. We do this kinda thing all the time! Be a sport, Paulie baby, and renege on your promise to the guys who wanted to get the Dem nomination to run against Jean Schmidt. You take this "honesty" thing a little too seriously. C'mon, listen to your Uncle Rahm and Uncle Chuckie. Hey, Paulie baby, where ya goin...?"

That's how I feel about this whole thing.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :argh: :argh: :argh: :grr: :grr: :grr: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[MercutioATC]

1. It's like the liberty v. security issue to me.

It's not worth being secure if you have to give up your liberty to do it.

It's not worth winning if you have to lie, cheat and steal to do it.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

2. Benjamin Who?

Oh....Benjamin Franklin. A man wise beyond his time.

He who forgoes liberty for the sake of security, deserves neither.

[MrBenchley]

3. One wonders why people who hate Democrats so remain....

"renege on your promise to the guys who wanted to get the Dem nomination to run against Jean Schmidt"
Say, who ARE those guys, do you suppose?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. Paul Hackett was supposed to be on Ed Schulz this afternoon

Ed is hopping mad over this, and said on his program that he wanted to have the Dem Senators call him and explain themselves. He said Paul was going to be on later, but I missed it as I was driving home at the time, and I only listen via computer. Anyone out there hear the interview?

[spuddonna]

6. Yeah, I did...

I'd sum it up this way: he sounded incredibly frustrated, and said "it came down to money".

I don't want to do a blow by blow because I'm sure I'll mischaracterize something and people will swarm this post like bees on honey. I'm sure the Ed Shultz show will have it up soon for people to comb through...

Honestly, Hackett sounded like he wanted to talk to Ed off the air...

[emulatorloo]

7. Good Summary of Hackett interview here - lets elect democrats and defeat

republicans

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=420053&mesg_id=420170

Schultz usually puts his shows up as mp3s the next day

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. Thanks for the link!

I've gone to the Ed Schulz site and bookmarked it. I really appreciate the links that you gave me!

[emulatorloo]

10. you are very very welcome ----

:toast:

[Douglas Carpenter]

5. yes, Mr. Hackett got treated very badly. but Sherrod Brown is a strong

progressive with an overall VERY strong progressive voting record all around.

He is supported by PDA (Progressive Democrats of America) and is a strong member of the Progressive Caucus.

Representative Brown is at least as liberal as Sen. Kennedy or Sen. Feingold

courtesy of vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H3141103&type=category&category=Foreign%2BAid%2Band%2BPolicy%2BIssues&go.x=12&go.y=8


2006 In 2006 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 In 2005 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Council on American-Islamic Relations 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (WRMEA) 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Peace Action 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 84 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 96 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 50 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Council of La Raza 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 77 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 90 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Education Association 89 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Postal Workers Union 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 88 percent of the time.

2004 On the votes that the Service Employees International Union considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Communications Workers of America 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 94 percent in 2003-2004.

2004 In 2004 National Organization for Women endorsed Representative Brown.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

[chaumont58]

8. You can bandy about figures that show him to be the reincarnation

of Eleanor Roosevelt, but the bottom line is he sat on his ass, safe and secure in his House District, until Paul Hackett showed Dwwine's weakness. For Paul Hackett's troubles, he got stabbed in the back. Politics is a rough tough game, not for the faint hearted, but it doesn't mean I have to forget how the candidates got to where they are.

I can understand Harry Reid and Schumer doing what they did. If Paul Hackett lost to DeWine, no one would pound them on the back and say what swell fellows they are. They made a choice that they think is better for the Democratic Party.
Still, what do truth and bravery matter? Not much these days.