Do yourselves all a favor - stop assuming anyone against you is DLC

[LynneSin]

IE: Reid and Schumer

Neither are a member of the DLC and neither is Sherod Brown. Not every 'evil' plot in the world that gets your panties in a bunch is a plot by the DLC to take over the world.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/18/19162/775

[Lerkfish]

1. er...wouldn't that be doing YOU a favor?

not sure how that does someone a favor who is against the DLC to stop blaming them for everything.

:)

[LynneSin]

5. I don't care if people blame the DLC

but make sure we blame the actually people who are confirmed members of the DLC.

I mean, if you said something mean to me should I just start calling you a republican?

[Lerkfish]

14. you've already done a great deal worse.

you've told me to go cheney myself. Deleted but not forgotten.

but back to this post, apparently, you missed my smiley, and missed my point.

thanks for playing.

:toast:

[LynneSin]

16. I'm just getting tired of arguing

so my bad

I just don't get it - if I could have a democratic candidate who's voting record rivals those of Feingold and Wellstone I'd be so fricking happy. I swear we're forcing poor Ohioans to be stuck with Dick Cheney's clone as their democratic choice.

And no choice was taken away by anyone other than Hackett

[Lerkfish]

18. confused: if you're tired of arguing, why start a new meta thread?

sounds like you're tired of arguments that disagree with you, and started a new thread to get more people that agree with you to participate.

and I agree Hackett's response to the pressure was not the best response. The best response was to tell them he's in till the primary's over. And people have mistaken that pressure as coming from the DLC. Their bad. Note, however, that I have not done so.

The bigger question is why beltway has to determine who ohio gets a chance to vote on, whether its DCCC, DLC, RFID, AFLCIO, etc.
It speaks to the larger issue of campaign reform that warchests are more important than platforms. but I digress.

[LittleClarkie]

37. Why, is she DLC?

No, I think she's right. You're doing yourself a favor if you don't assume something that is untrue. There were folks blaming the DLC for the whole Hackett thing, when most of the players were not DLC. Beating one's tits about them in this particular instance tends to make one look like a shmuck.

Best to make sure the DLC is involved, else a person could end up crying wolf once too often, and further end up with people less likely to listen when and if the DLC actually does something uncool. "Aw that's just (whoever). He always says that."

[Ken Burch]

2. OK, Reid and Schumer aren't DLC.

There's still the fact that Reid is a wimp a good deal of the time and Schumer is a left-bashing asshole. Why do the Senate Democrats keep refusing to make Chris Dodd their leader?

And I don't even understand why anybody would think Sherrod Brown is DLC, especially since he is running on the more progressive platform of the two Ohio Senate candidates, his opponent having moved away from his antiwar stance and being conservative on other issues as well.

[clydefrand]

3. I'm unsure why people are negative about the DLC.

Can you or someone else inform me what is wrong with the DLC? Wasn't Clinton closely associated with the DLC?

[MrBenchley]

10. What's wrong with the DLC

is that they have a lot of Democrats you've heard of in their membership and produce thoughtful position papers for moderate adults.

http://www.dlc.org/

[clydefrand]

15. And that's bad? I just read this before I read your post.

Sounds like lofty positions to me. What's wrong with them? People who don't like DLC, please answer my question. Thanks.

Maybe you could read this first and tell me what's wrong with these ideas.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=194&contentid=3775

[MrBenchley]

17. No, it's actually quite sensible

which is why so many actual Democrats belong, and which is why so many of the "progressive purists" here froth with rage about the group.

The progressive Democrats have their own analogous organization, called the PDA...but not even the "progressive purists" here seem to give much of a crap about what the PDA stands for. And in fact, in the real world both groups co-exist and often work together.

Amusingly, in this morning's wailing and moaning over Paul Hackett quitting, many of our "progressive purists" are blaming the DLC...although no-one involved has anything to do with the DLC, and Brown himself is the standard-bearer for the PDA. For months now, the people I call "progressive purists" have been fantasizing that the Democrats would have a partywide purge and push out all but the progressive candidates...and now they're imagining that such a purge HAS occurred, and of course they're besides themselves with rage that it has.

[clydefrand]

21. Thanks, and a "heart" to you from me.

I don't think we should try to pigeonhole democrats or anyone in any other party. We're all individuals with our own experiences that influence our decisions for whom we vote.

[MrBenchley]

22. Any time....

Keep an eye out, and you will notice that the Democrats who come under attack by name here (Hillary, Lieberman, Feinstein, Casey, etc.) are almost always:
--up for election/re-election in 2006
--walloping their prospective Republican opponent

I'm sure that's just a coincidence...in a pig's eye.

I agree with you; the party is a big tent.

[MrBenchley]

23. By the way, thanks so much for the heart!

[nickshepDEM]

32. Damn, Mr Popular, you have 3 hearts!

[Ken Burch]

27. Benchley, why are you praising the DLC now when you were attacking them

last fall?

It's not like they've gotten better at anything since then.

[MrBenchley]

28. Ken, I'll be happy to tell you....

Back last fall, I was gullible enough to actually believe some of what the anti-DLCers here were saying....since then I've found out how utterly full of shit they are.

[LincolnMcGrath]

42. snickers

[Deep13]

4. Only a DLCer would write something like that!

Well maybe not. Reid and Schumer have handled things pretty well so far except that I wish Reid would stop apologizing for telling the truth. I know Sherrod and I know he ain't no DLCer.

[LynneSin]

6. If you see Sherrod tell him this gal from DE wishes him good luck

:D

And I think I've been spelling his name with only 1 "r' :cry:

[OzarkDem]

20. I will

next time I see him. And he doesn't mind how you spell his name, as long as you vote for him. There's no nicer person in Congress.

[mdmc]

7. I bet if you look close enough,

you could find dlc connections to most elected dems - I'm sure these guys got money from corporations got money from the same source the dlc gets inspiration...

that being said, I have nothing against these guys or the dlc. I don't have anything against non neocon gop members either...

http://www.acme.com/heartmaker/heartmaker.cgi?text1=DU.&text2=com&color=Yellow&r=625952059

[LynneSin]

8. Give it enough connections you could say the same with Abramoff

Halliburton, Enron, or even LynneSin SuperDUer

that means nothing - it's DC politics

[mdmc]

19. exactly!

The status quo stays the same...

I'm am glad that Chuck Schuemer didn't help someone run against Bernie Saunders in VT. Hopefully, the dems know what they are doing.

I would love to see Jean Schmidt voted out of office...

[meegbear]

9. C'mon Lynn, who can I blame when I have diarrehea or missed my exit?

You're not being fair.

[LynneSin]

11. Well I blame the DLC and YOU for the wad of chewed peas on my monitor

you must be a DLCer - you can't even spell my name

[SteppingRazor]

12. What are you, some sort of damned DLCer?

:evilgrin:

[NoPasaran]

13. I hear the DLC forced Michelle Kwan out of the Olympics

So a more moderate skater could have a shot at the gold!

:tinfoilhat:

[Ciggies and coffee]

24. You are correct, somewhat

Be aware though, that the same interests that fund the DLC have other projects to spend money on, the goals of which may coincide with the DLC philosophy.

[wakeme2008]

25. Funny you should bring that up

My bookmark of the members of the DLC is not longer good. And I can not find a list of their members any more. Why are they hiding that.

[Justitia]

26. I don't care what acronym they are, they should get their asses kicked!

I cannot believe they have done this! :mad:

Wait, yes I can....ASSHOLES!

[Douglas Carpenter]

29. Sherrod Brown is as far from a DLC Dem as you can possibly get

Brown Tops DeWine in New Poll
An Opinion Consultants poll finds Ohio voters favor Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) for the U.S. Senate over incumbent Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH), 43% to 38%

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/01/26/brown_tops_dewine_in_new_poll.html

Sherrod Brown is endorsed by PDA (Progressive Democrats of America) and is an outspoken member of the Progressive Caucus.

Representative Brown is at least as liberal as Sen. Kennedy or Sen. Feingold

courtesy of vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H3141103&type=category&category=Foreign%2BAid%2Band%2BPolicy%2BIssues&go.x=12&go.y=8


2006 In 2006 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 In 2005 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Council on American-Islamic Relations 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (WRMEA) 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Peace Action 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 84 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 96 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 50 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Council of La Raza 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 77 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 90 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Education Association 89 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Postal Workers Union 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 88 percent of the time.

2004 On the votes that the Service Employees International Union considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Communications Workers of America 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 94 percent in 2003-2004.

2004 In 2004 National Organization for Women endorsed Representative Brown.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

[Ken Burch]

31. As near as I can tell, it was only embittered Hackett supporters

who ever thought Sherrod Brown was DLC. His actual platform was always to Hackett's left, especially after Hackett sold out and gave up his antiwar stance.

[LincolnMcGrath]

43. Certain Duers have been trying to stir up anti leftist sentiment since

yesterday, Despite the fact that most 'leftist' people are quite happy with the politics of Mr Brown.

[dolstein]

30. Do yourself an even bigger favor -- stop assuming the DLC is against you

Most of the people who attack the DLC have never even bothered to visit the DLC web site and read up on their policy proposals. It seems like the extent of their knowledge about the DLC is based entirely on excerpts of left-wing rants that have been published ad naseum on the web.

Most people blame the DLC for the downfall of the Democratic Party even though the DLC wasn't even formed until after the Democrats had lost four out of five presidential elections, had lost control of the U.S. Senate and had suffered a deep erosion in support at the local level throughout the South and West.

[Ken Burch]

33. My belief that the DLC is against my principles is based on solid evidence

derived from their own statements that the party needed to drive out "special interests" (I.E., uppity people of color, activists and workers)and court the "mainstream" (I.E., bitter, spiteful tightfisted white suburbanites who still can't accept that the Sixties happened because the country wanted them to happen).

It was the DLC who pushed for accepting Republican-style "welfare reform" rather than fighting for jobs programs, who demanded a militaristic "JFK in '61" type foreign policy(despite the fact that such a policy was certain to push us into more senseless wars)and who have believe that the wishes of CEO's for more profits and unchallenged dominance should come before the traditional Democratic defense of human needs and social justice.

The DLC means Democratic conventions with luxury boxes for corporations and nightsticks applied to the heads of demostrators. The DLC means support for Republican trade deals and demands that every country in the world impose austerity policies and drive down the standard of living for the many so that the few would get even richer. The DLC, in short, is on the wrong side of history, and that's where the Democratic Party will be if it stays with the DLC.

The Democratic Party is supposed to be a party that puts people before profits. If it isn't that, than it stands for nothing. At least, nothing that matters.

A rising tide only lifts the yachts.

[dolstein]

41. If it's based on solid evidence, why didn't you present any in your post?

You just parroted back the same rants that ill-informed left-wingers have been spewing for years.

[Ken Burch]

45. Here's solid evidence:

1)The DLC was formed to drive out what they called "special interests" from any influence in the Democratic Party. Problem is, they defined(and continue to define) "special interests" as progressive activists, union workers, the poor, feminists and gays and lesbians...in other words, the vast majority of the Democratic base.

2)The DLC denounced Howard Dean for daring to suggest that peace activists have a legitimate place in the Democratic Party. Their foreign policy preference is the JFK foreign policy of 1961(forgetting everything JFK and the rest of us learned about how damaging and dangerous that policy was to the world). They would, thus, doom us to an endless series of future Vietnams(like the one we're now in in Iraq).

3)The DLC still supports neoliberalism and all Republican-negotiated trade deals without question. This puts them on the side of corporate power and against working people, and it puts them in favor of forcing every country in the world to engage in a "race to the bottom" of endless wage cuts, benefit cuts and environmental deregulation. This is a complete betrayal of everything every leading Democrat has ever stood for.

4)The DLC pushed for Clinton to sign the Republican "welfare reform" bill without question. They called(and continue to call)for the Democratic Party to accept as gospel all Republican slurs on the collective moral character of the poor. They have never opposed redlining, which, unlike welfare, was the true cause of the economic collapse of the inner cities of this country.

5)No DLC member ever denounced Zell Miller for giving the KEYNOTE SPEECH TO THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION WHILE STILL SERVING AS A DEMOCRATIC U.S. SENATOR. None attacked him for the grievous harm he did to John Kerry's chances to the eletion, when Kerry had done nothing whatsoever to deserve Zell's psychotic rageburst.

Want more, dolstein? Still think these guys are different from Republicans?

If your right-of-center on economics and foreign policy, you're a Republican on everything that matters. End of discussion.

[rucky]

34. It's a key strategic difference...

that's gotten pretty emotional, given how high the stakes are.

[underpants]

35. How do we know *YOU* aren't in the DLC

Huh? How do we know that? Huh?

Get the pitchfolks fellas :scared::grr::silly:

[XemaSab]

36. Why do you hate America?

:(

[Radical Activist]

38. Is this directed at Christine Cegalis?

[Aaaargh]

39. Whether someone's a "MEMBER" of the DLC is utterly beside the point

The DLC exemplifies the corporatist-sellout wing of the Democratic Party, which threatens to make it into a 'Tweedledum' mirror-image of the Repig Party. Whether any particular vessel of that disease is a card-carrying "member" of the DLC doesn't matter at all.

Do Reid and Schumer exemplify the DLC-disease, and represent it at its greatest virulence?

No, they don't. Reid is inconsistent but still heavily compromised, while Schumer vies between his partly liberal convictions and his chauvinistic loyalty to the Israel-Firster line.

But did some large number of contributors here on this forum say that Reid and Schumer DO represent a hardcore, doctrinaire From/Wittmann line?

Absolutely not. But it's very clear that the standard tactic of DLC scouts on this forum is to bash their opponents for saying stuff that they didn't actually say.

Why do they do this? Well, I guess it's just that the earnest little bots just like to make things as easy as possible for themselves by crudely misrepresenting the reality of things, just as you're doing now.

[MrBenchley]

44. Say, just a thought.....

When Hackett and his goon squad complain that Reid and Schumer called "donors" and told them not to contribute, they mean big corporations. Because it's ludicrous to even pretend that Reid and Schumer were taking the time to e-mail every bozo on the internet who thought Deport 'em All Paul was hot shit.

But wait...wouldn't that make Paul a corporatist-sellout wannabe? (snicker)

[Jacobin]

40. Why do you defend and approve of the status quo so?

It seems to be a constant pattern.

The base is clamoring for change and rightfully so. The leadership has lost all credibility, not to mention elections.

Why such a stolid defense of the status quo?

This is a sincere question. Personal reaming in any response, of course not prohibited, but not so enlightening.