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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:01 PM
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War Games plot stategies against bloggers
U.S. Government Concludes 'Cyber Storm' Internet Wargame, Biggest-Ever Attack Test Response

WASHINGTON - The government concluded its "Cyber Storm" wargame Friday, its biggest-ever exercise to test how it would respond to devastating attacks over the Internet from anti-globalization activists, underground hackers and bloggers.
Bloggers?

Participants confirmed parts of the worldwide simulation challenged government officials and industry executives to respond to deliberate misinformation campaigns and activist calls by Internet bloggers, online diarists whose "Web logs" include political rantings and musings about current events.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=1605357

This is how democracy dies.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:03 PM
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1. Those who fear the free flow of ideas and public information are
enemies of democracy. They are either with us or against us, if against us, then they should be in the crosshairs of those who profess to be promoting democracy in various places on the planet.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:05 PM
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2. I can't believe that those who would fight for our freedom
are being trained how to sabotage our blog sites, how can this be seen as the act of
a free people.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:13 PM
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8. Take them to court. They think they are above the law and can
do as they please????? Take them to court, end of story.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:20 PM
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15. one good thing, if they did suppress something
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 06:20 PM by MissWaverly
like the Alito protest, it would strengthen opposition not help it, what is the solution
for someone who believes in making the government fit into the constitution framework.
What is the military solution? Force, jamming broadband, denying people use of a service
they have paid for?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:48 PM
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19. they are being investigated for the Katrina failure
Why can't they just do their job to protect the homeland, we need more protection agains
natural disasters than foreign invasion. If we do have an invasion the army will handle
it.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:07 PM
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3. please tell me this is just a sick joke?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:08 PM
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5. no it was reported on ABC News
you can link to the site
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:08 PM
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4. they are really going for '1984' their last chance
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:12 PM
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7. they said more than 115 govt. agencies participated
how much government cooperation was there for Hurricane Katrina victims, that were slowly drowning or dying from lack of thirst, and now they are all huddled together to do this. This is totally wrong, wrong, wrong.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:15 PM
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9. something is going to give soon
I forsee an avalanche
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:01 PM
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28. The dumbing down factor is about to evaporate.... rather
completely. Too bad for dumbya.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:25 PM
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29. hope so
if it really evaporates, he will have no cover at all, the emperor will really
have no clothes then.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:15 PM
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10. something is going to give soon
I forsee an avalanche
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:15 PM
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11. something is going to give soon
I forsee an avalanche
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:17 PM
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13. I hope so, this is just so wrong
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:11 PM
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6. Information jamming. This is not a new tactic.
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 06:12 PM by Selatius
Woodrow Wilson set up a propaganda ministry during the WWI to sell the war to the public, and in addition to that, he sent 200,000 marshals into the countryside to disrupt communications and cooperation between anti-war groups and individuals and ultimately drove the anti-war movement underground if not broke the back of the anti-war movement until war's end. Anybody who didn't comply disappeared into the prison system. Many others from Nixon to McCarthy to Bush Jr. have drawn lessons from what Woodrow did to democratic socialists and anti-war activists of the era.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:15 PM
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12. this is more than jamming
they said they would develop strategies to deal with call to activism from on-line
blogs. I suspect they have been jamming for sometime, I can listen to a commerical
on sirius for the Hair club for men, the minute something comes on about Cheney, there
is nothing but static, 10 minutes later when there is a commercial for organic car
wax, no problems.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:20 PM
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14. I guess you're right. Wilson ultimately advocated far more totalitarian...
methods than simply cutting communication. He had them prosecuted and imprisoned for sedition, and the SCOTUS of the era upheld the convictions citing national security in times of war.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:22 PM
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16. question are we really at war
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 06:27 PM by MissWaverly
It looks like the "war on terror" is similar to the war on drugs. Okay, before you
nominate me as an oxymoron, the Iraq War reminds of the Brits in Northern Ireland,
which was essentially a "policing" action. Although we go on offenses and patrols
and searchs all the time, this is more like an "occupation and security for US interests
than traditional military battles and offensives.)
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:28 PM
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17. The "WarGame" terminology sounds like a chickenhawk term..
I doubt that the REAL military is involved; just the usual suspects liking to use that terminlogy. Particulary the civilians in the Pentagon.

The CIA was apparently purged. that is why we have some good guys like Larry Johnson speaking out. This kind of thing is also why we have so many retired military (many high-ranking) wanting to run as Dems. Their oath is always to "defend the constitution".

This is kind of scarey. I wonder if they will be monitoring DRUDGE?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:32 PM
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18. the military was involved
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 06:33 PM by MissWaverly
See this snip, of course it was done through Homeland Security, this is what they do
instead of planning on how to handle national emergencies.

Homeland Security coordinated the exercise. More than 115 government agencies, companies and organizations participated. They included the White House National Security Council, Justice Department, Defense Department, State Department, National Security Agency and CIA, which conducted its own cybersecurity exercise called "Silent Horizon" last May.

Foresman likened his agency's role during any Internet attack to an orchestra conductor, coordinating responses from law enforcement, intelligence agencies, the military and private firms. The government's goal is a "symphony of preparedness," Foresman said.

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f-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:52 PM
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20. I've been saying since December of 2000....
we live in the Fourth Reich!!!
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:55 PM
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21. This is a great country
In 2000, we were in good shape, now we have a stinking pile, where once there was a surplus
there is now a yawning deficit. Bush polls numbers continue to falter while the hardline
militarism of this administration grows. Instead of compromise; they seem intent on
bully tactics and suppression. I am unclear when lame duck starts but I thik it should
be a national holiday.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:04 PM
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22. Um, I'm not well versed in this area, but "devastating attacks . . .
from bloggers"? What are they talking about?

From my naive perspective, smells like an excuse to go after dissent to me. Someone tell me what I'm missing here.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:14 PM
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23. read the article
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 07:29 PM by MissWaverly
I was going to have a major panic attack and then I decided why do their work for them.
This is still a free country. 99% of what is said here on DU or on DailyKOS is no
different than writing to your local newspapers. If we give up our right to free
speech now we may never get it back.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:17 PM
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24. Wow, sounds like a stretch.
Commentary on politics turns into provocation of sabotage, is that the argument? I see what you mean about the post-9/11 reaction, but jeez!
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:22 PM
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25. I think this is a scare tactic
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 07:26 PM by MissWaverly
well too bad, I am going to keep using the right to free speech.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:26 PM
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27. Here's a quote from Franklin Delano Roosevelt
"They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order." Address to the Annual Dinner for White House Correspondents' Association, Washington, D.C., March 15, 1941.

This is inscribed behind him on his memorial, if you go to the web site for his
memorial you will not see it. If you go to some links, they will say that what
is behind him refers to the 4 freedoms speech, it does not.

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:36 PM
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26. there is a growing weakness that is hidden
by this constant fear mongering, we must be having an impact or why would they do this,
we are just average people expressing our opinions on the daily news. We did not make
these horrendous mistakes, we talk about them. The ones that did them should be held
accountable.
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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:34 PM
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31. Hope I don't get flamed for this, but say a false rumor
were started, in an orchestrated manner, possibly by hacking into otherwise reputable blog sites - about a bioterror attack, or a hidden dirty bomb, where the initial damages would be unknown (as opposed to a 911 event) - and the rumors spread rapidly through the blogosphere. It would be in the governments interest - not to shut down any blogs - but to rapidly respond to the rumors with accurate information in order to prevent a panic.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:39 PM
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32. So they SAY.
Alternatively, say something TRUE is spreading around the blogs -- and what if it were in this government's interest to respond to the truth with misinformation in order to cover their asses. :shrug:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 03:23 PM
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34. True, but the fact that they did this war game
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 03:23 PM by MissWaverly
proves that we are having an impact, I personally believe it was an attempt to initimidate
us.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 03:21 PM
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33. You would think so
I personally do not think that we attack the blogs at dawn will happen, I was reading
about how much the blogs are a cash cow, some of the major newspapers make more money
from their on-line sites with ads than they do from their papers. Also the Dems
know we are a cash cow for them, so I think we are safe from the Empire strikes back for
now.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:43 PM
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30. Uh oh.
:scared:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 03:25 PM
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35. Chill
Please chill, this is a free country, we have the right to free speech and the
minute you buy the bs they hand out, they win.
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