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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:47 PM
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Don't you want a fight?
I'm not talking about candidates. I'm talking about the concept. I hate the concept, I freaking despise the concept of one candidate just sweeping all the primaries in one go and everyone votes for 'em and all is well in the world.

I want a fight. I want Edwards to take SC, Clark to take AZ, and Dean to take whatever he can get. I want Kerry to freaking sweat. I don't want it to be easy for any of the candidates, whoever the final nominee is. I want our candidate to freaking bleed, because that's what democracy is about. Democracy isn't about two state wins and an easy breeze through the rest, it's about people chosing which candidate they really want rather than listening to a popularity poll. I want issues to be brought up at the local level rather than five minute answers in a national debate that really doesn't distinguish the candidates from one another. I want people, grassroots, individuals who really believe in their candidate, to go out and sponser, to go out and spread word of mouth about why they geniunely like that candidate. I don't want the media to be involved at all. I want a fight.

Tell me you want a fight too.
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:49 PM
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1. yes, I think competition makes people perform better
or fall on their faces. A job like the presidency should have some inherent tests before you get in.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:51 PM
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2. I want a fight, too!
:) Of course I want Dean to win, but I would like to see different candidates win different states. I think everyone deserves some victories. I also want to keep the Republicans guessing til the very end! ;-)
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:53 PM
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3. 86% wanted a fight in my poll
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:57 PM
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4. Hey cool, I didn't see that. :)
:)
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:12 PM
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12. 87%
;)
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:58 PM
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5. I don't think a bunch of battered, bruised candidates
who have used their money deflecting Democratic attacks will be in the best position to beat Bush.

There is a time for fighting, and there is a time for pulling together. I'll give it another few weeks, but after that, we are only beating the hell out of ourselves and making Bush stronger. That is not wise.

After Super Tuesday, the fighting should be over - if not, we all lose.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:59 PM
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7. What doesn't kill you..
only makes you stronger!!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:01 PM
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8. ...or flat broke before the general election, like Dole in '96
Buchanan bled him to death financially in the primaries. It was not healthy for his campaign.

Just sayin'. I like a good rhubarb as much as the next guy. :)
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:35 PM
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18. Didn't we spend months hearing this from the Dean camp?
What makes you think its anymore valid now?
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nightperson Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:59 PM
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6. Sorry.
This year especially I just want to easily vanquish my enemies and hear the lamentation of their women. That's that. Over and out.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:02 PM
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11. You don't want to see them driven before you?
:) L-ing my A O here.

Conan the Secondtermdenier. Dig it.
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texasmom Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:02 PM
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9. Yes! I do want a fight.
It's just wrong that the candidates spend a year or two campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire and then "poof" it's over before the rest of the Democrats in the country have had a chance to even tune in.
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FreeperSlayer Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:02 PM
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10. I find the concept absolutely brilliant..
...everyone votes for OUR candidate, and all is well in the world. How could you despise that, oh Pyrhuss?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:15 PM
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13. Ahh, so you don't want a fight.
Thanks for your input.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:18 PM
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14. Yep, want a long, hard slog
I'd prefer that our candidates have a long fight, so long as the fight is similar to last Thursday's debate with the criticism directed primarily at Bush.

Aside from that provide comparisons between candidates and let the people decide.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:28 PM
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15. I'd prefer a CLEAN fight -- unfortunately
some of the other campaigns aren't buyin' it. Push polling, robocalling Dean supporters at 4 and 5 a.m. in the morning, Osama bin Laden comparison ads, etc.

But yeah, I don't want the media to coronate Kerry any more than everyone else didn't want them to coronate Dean. I also want the DLC/DNC and the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and state chairs out of the picture re who wins adn who SHOULD win. I actually want The People to decide -- what a concept, eh?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:31 PM
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16. Is there any proof of the robocalling thing?
I'm genuinely curious. The dailykos raised the flag, and I'm wondering if anything further has come.

The reason I ask is that I was in the Kerry campaign headquarters on primary day. Every warm body was on a phone, and there were guys running around yelling about getting more people to make calls. They were all wound up about it, serious about getting the calls done.

That doesn't sound like a group that has a robot taking up the slack. Just my thoughts. If there is proof of the robo calls, that's a whole different story.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:32 PM
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17. Another theory on the Dean push-polling..
Another theory on the push-polling of Dean supporters is that it's the ROG... trying to generate animosity in Dean supporters for the Democratic nominee, leading Dean supporters to either not vote in November or go third party (effectively the same).

No proof. Just a theory I've heard.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:37 PM
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19. Who's The ROG ???
:shrug:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:52 PM
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20. Republican Opposition Group
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:52 AM
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21. ROG = Republican Occupational Government
What, you think you're free..?!?! :)
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:49 AM
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22. Hell no, I want a cakewalk
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:21 AM
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23. I want a fight. I want it to go all the way to the convention.
I want the very voices heard that the democratic establishment
wants silenced because the have the bad taste to be too gol darn
honest.

I want Clark and Kucinich and Dean and Sharpton to have some
friggen clout, because I'm fuckin' tired of our one party system.
It don't work.
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