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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:19 AM
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Pat Buchanan: Neocons are like teenagers
Pat Buchanan's column today is about Hamas and how Bush and Condi should have seen it coming. But his lead-in is just awesome. Buchanan is a stone-age Neanderthal about most things, but on this issue he hits home runs:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48605

Ever since President Bush, sometime after 9-11, converted to neoconservatism, his Middle East policy has suffered from the triple defects of that subspecies of the Right: hubris, ideology and immaturity.

Neoconservatives see the world as they wish it to be, not as it is. Like teenagers, they act on impulse and rail against the counsel of experience. "Often clever, never wise," Russell Kirk said of the breed.

Repeatedly, Bush was warned by traditional conservatives that to send a U.S. army to occupy Baghdad would engender Arab rage and Islamic terror. Heeding the "cakewalk" crowd, he refused to listen. Three years later, we are trying to extricate a U.S. army from Iraq with the least possible damage to U.S. security interests.

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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:24 AM
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1. The country is now officially crazy
Buchanan should have been tapped for the SOTU response.

My head is going to explode.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:53 AM
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9. Buchanan has always opposed the neocons
He's been speaking against them for a long time.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:53 AM
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10. Well, if we say it we're pegged as looney left conspiracy theorists.
But if Pat says it, he's considered an inside man with inside information.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 02:13 PM
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23. You know you've gone through the looking glass when
you find yourself agreeing with Buchanan.

Which reminds me of a great sign I saw at last night's World Can't Wait demonstration:

"Nixon minus brains equals Bush"

I'm sure Pat (in a private moment) would agree with the sentiment on that sign
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 02:17 PM
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24. LOL
That's killer.
:rofl:
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:48 PM
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26. Like this?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:48 PM
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28. Awesome!
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mnmoderatedem Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:28 AM
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2. He's been on target on the Middle East and the Iraq war

and has gone against the conservative grain on these issues. For that, I'll give him credit....
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 02:20 PM
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25. He didn't help to get Bush out of office though
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:35 AM
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3. and unlike the ideologists, the dems are the reality based community.
I can deal with reality...righties cannot.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:37 AM
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4. Help, the country's in a timewarp....it's 1973 all over again !
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:39 AM
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5. Put Hamas on "probation"
sounds like a reasonable plan.

Ooops... "reasonable" is not in the vocabulary of the extreme RW. That's why they're called extreme.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:43 AM
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6. Take the survey on there too.......n/t
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Boo_Radley Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:45 AM
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7. Buchanan has stood his ground on this
If nothing else, no one can say he lacks the backbone to stand up to the BS Administration. A nut though he may be, at least he's an honest nut. I have to give him that.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:54 AM
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11. stand up to the Bush Admin?
sure, he'll criticize, but he still supported Bush's reelection campaign.

Don't be too quick to praise Buchanan.
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Boo_Radley Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:09 PM
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12. You've got a point
It's just that he and McCaine are the only two Republicans who've been willing to make any kind of criticism of the neocons since 2001. The rest are pretty much robots programmed to agree with whatever the "President" says or does. I guess that's why it's refreshing to see, even if it's from a theocratic nut.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:22 PM
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14. Pat sure doesn't try to hide his agenda in any shape way or form.
Even though he's off the wall 90% of the time.
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Boo_Radley Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:46 PM
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17. Yeah. 'Crazy but honest about it' is what I was getting at.
n/t
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johnnyrocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:52 AM
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8. Umm, he's been against the Iraq war from the start....
but not because he's a peacenik, it's becase he's a racist, and hates Jews.

Context, people, context! You've got to win for the right reasons, not for the sake of winning.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:42 PM
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16. He's been against the war
Because he is an old-style isolationist.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:13 PM
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13. If Neocons are like teenagers, then Buchannan is the abused...
girlfriend. Just saying.
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centristo Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:24 PM
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15. read the article
and he makes a lot of sense to me. If we blackball Hamas right off the bat and they fail, we will be blamed, not Hamas or the people who voted for them. We cannot set them up to fail.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:54 PM
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18. Well
he's been correct about the war from the start. For a conservative he can at times sound reasonable.

He still strikes me as an apologist, but atleast now he's admitted that Bush himself is a neo con (though he tries to pin the fault on others and steer the blame away from Bush himself).
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Broke In Jersey Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 01:28 PM
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19. He's been against the neo-cons since 92 when he ran against GHWB
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 02:07 PM
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20. Best line from piece:
"Bush has unleashed a revolution in the Middle East, and it is everywhere bringing to power Islamic fundamentalists"

Fuck, yes.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 02:11 PM
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21. Only thing I disagree with
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 02:11 PM by FreedomAngel82
is Bush has always been a neocon. He's just showing it more now since he knows nobody can do a damn thing about it.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 02:13 PM
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22. here's my take take...
Teenagers know EVERYTHING and NOTHING at all.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 04:54 PM
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27. You know we must be living in Alice In Wonderland
to have Buchanan to the left of Bush.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:55 PM
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29. Buchanan is bitter that the GOP wouldn't embrace him
Buchanan will always be a shill for those who believe this is "a Christian Nation" (and that our laws should be structured accordingly), and who gratuitously bash gays and complain about how homosexuality is corrupting the "moral fiber" of our society.

His whiny, nasal voice makes him sound like a weanie, and I want to gouge my eyes out every time he speaks.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:45 PM
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30. a kick for good old pat! Lots of good GOP new here at DU!
:kick:
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