Oh my goodness ! They're calling it "Botoxgate" !

[Hoppin_Mad]

"Jan. 31 - I admit it, I’ve looked at those supposed before-and-after photos of John Kerry and wondered if they really are evidence of botox-tampering. They are all over the Internet and as a writer who spends hours a day at the computer, I need some diversions now and then. I don’t really care whether or not the man had botox and I have found the whole thing amusing…until I read an article on Scotsman.com (yes, my fellow Americans, they’re talking about it in Scotland, too)   which suggested that, if it is determined that Sen. Kerry did have botox and has lied about it, it could cost him the election. "  

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4120483/

[Frances]

1. I thought we were supposed to vote on Kerry's hair

n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

2. If John Kerry has had botox injections,

he's a really poor advertisement for it, LOL! John Edwards, on the other hand, could convince me that they were worth it!:D

[piece sine]

3. we're getting as strange and skewed as ancient Rome

Honestly....we're going to carry-on now about BOTOX!!!

[Closer]

4. He looks like an ENTIRELY different person now to me

Who the hell does he think he's kidding?!?

[Old and In the Way]

9. Excellent analysis Closer

Sadly, Dean scores pretty low in the "good looks" polls as well.


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAHHHH!

[youngred]

33. Actually

and that scream shit was uncalled for btw

I know several women who can't stand Dean but would vote for him on looks alone

[m-jean03]

12. In that second photo he's raising his eyebrows REALLY high

and stretching his face out. But heck, if he did, who cares. Maybe he is too vain to admit it and who cares about that too?

[blm]

13. If he had been botoxed his forehead wouldn't have wrinkled in photo 2.

Surely you must have realized that by now.

[flpoljunkie]

23. Recent photo of John Kerry on January 28th following NH win...get real!

Winning primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire have lifted Kerry's spirits considerably--and it shows! The shorter hair cut also gives him a more youthful look.

(Notice, however, in the photo below his wrinkled forehead--you can't do that with botox, folks.)



Wed Jan 28, 3:24 PM ET

Democratic presidential hopeful U.S. Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), D-Mass., waves while boarding his campaign plane at Hanscom Field in Bedford, Mass., Wednesday Jan. 28, 2004. Kerry, who won the New Hampshire primary on Tuesday, heads out to visit St. Louis and South Carolina.. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

[Indiana Democrat]

55. This is a very meaningless subject, but...

...that second picture does freak me out. He looks like a clone of himself.

Very odd...

[ACPS65]

5. Who cares?

Go throw some more money at Dean.

[youngred]

6. Is this serious

because this has to be THE stupidest accusation ever made against a politican that "could cost him the election"

[Carl Spackler]

7. I'm actually troubled that he might have lied.

I don't think it could have been more obvious at the debate unless he had a big BOTOX logo on his forehead - everything from the eyebrows up was frozen. Do I care he might have had a cosmetic procedure? Not in the least. Do I care that he could have been stupid enough to do so and THEN DENY IT, so the issue would be his credibility? YES!

IMHO he shouldn't have done it. But having frozen half his face, he should have fessed up. Much better a minor giggle in the press about botox than to bring his credibility to question.

[Old and In the Way]

I'm thinking we should get an independent prosecutor on this.

Kerry lied, wrinkles died.

[Cocoa]

22. lol

:-)

[Auntie Bush]

24. He had Botox,. so what. He lied about it...very bad!

[Melinda]

8. *sigh* This is a non-issue - I SIMPLY DON'T CARE. n/t

[JasonBerry]

10. As with anything

There's nothing wrong with Botox injections. The problem - in politics - is if you have had Botox injections and say you didn't. In that case, it's about honesty and integrity. Silly issue to get caught in. But, get ready to hear, "It's not about the Botox, it's about the lies."

[sangha]

15. The only problem is

there's no Botox. You can count the wrinkles in those pictures. Both pictures show the same wrinkles.

It's different lighting and a different facial expression so some wrinkles are deeper in one picture, but every single wrinkle is in both pictures

[JasonBerry]

17. That's why I said "if" N/T

[PROGRESSIVE1]

19. No botox. He had his hair shortened and followed the....

Make-Up cues of a Clown, that's what happened.

...and he look's so fake too.

I wish he would go back to the way he was before.

[shawmut]

11. yet another Botox thread by Hoppin_Mad

this must be at least the third one I've seen since yesterday... :boring:

[Hoppin_Mad]

16. It's not about the botox - it's about Kerry's honesty and integrity

if he DID lie about it, it hurts ALL dems.

[blm]

25. Fresh Botox doesn't let you wrinkle your forehead as in your 2nd photo.

So...whose honesty and integrity is in question here?

[shawmut]

30. well

if Kerry farts and blames the dog would he be bringing down either himself or the dems? That's basically how I see this non issue. for the record, I don't think he used botox. And I really don't see much of a difference in any of these before and after photos execpt it looks to me like he is using more make up and the lighting is always different in all of them. But then again I don't know much about or care much about things like this in an election, or anything else for that matter.

[ibegurpard]

14. It was also mentioned during a very vapid "political roundup"

(and I use that term loosely) that I happened to catch on VH-1 while I was flipping channels (Sorry, I doubt that VH-1 has transcripts). It may be stupid and unworthy of discussion but it looks like the media may have found Kerry's "Alpha-Male" issue.

[Piperay]

18. Hot issue

(NOT) middle America has 'botox parties' so I don't think they will care whether Kerry got injections or not. :wtf: Ronnie had un-naturally orange hair and it didn't hurt him, what about the groper and his bad face lifts. :argh:

[fabius]

20. So Bush* lied, soldiers died and we're worried about BOTOX?

YYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Howard Dean ain't nearly as angry as I am!

"could cost him the election....."

Ok, if this blows up like the Scream, we're down to Clark and Edwards, or maybe even Sharpton and Kucinich. I'll take any of them!

GAAAHHH!

[MidwestTransplant]

21. Pelosi

is the posterperson for Botox.

[zulchzulu]

26. Does Botox work on sour grapes?

It's a question...

Does Botox make crow taste better?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

[Maddy McCall]

27. Boy, the desperation of this post is steaming off of it.

This the best you can find? C'MON!

What I find remarkable is that some people will go to the same media sources they just condemned two threads earlier IF THAT source has a titillating condemnation of the opposition candidate.

Get REAL!

[MikeG]

28. What I'm worried about is a possible Botox Gap.

Our children will never forgive us if we let that happen.

[zulchzulu]

35. LOL. It's so, so true

If we left the World to be taken over by people who use Botox and may not want people to know about it, then we leave a World to our children that can only be seen by the children of the future as less wrinkled, yet really actually wrinkled underneath.

It's time to stand up to this madness, whatever it is.

[terrisel]

29. Botox, hairdye, cosmetic surgery are non-issues

Why be drawn into them ? I don't believe most people care.

It will go away if we start agressively asking media news people what cosmetic surgery they have had.

Has he been convicted of drunk driving and hidden it or lied about it ? That is an issue.

[polmaven]

56. But...

What if all that poison seeps into his scalp and then gets right down there into his brain?????

I'll tell ya what if....HE'LL STILL BE A WHOLE LOT SMARTER than the Moran in chief we have now!!!!

[maddezmom]

31. OMG~ who gives a rats ass

like I said the other times it's been a topic...not an issue for me.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

32. wow, who cares?

I can't believe so much precious space is devoted to Kerry's supposed uplifting routine.

:eyes:

[ibegurpard]

34. Apparently, MSNBC does.

:shrug:

[zulchzulu]

36. And you do too

It's a big issue.....apparently....

[Cheswick2.0]

43. I think it would have been smarter if he hadn't lied about it

you know they are going to hit him hard with this if he is the nominee.

[mzmolly]

37. Kerry claimed he didn't know what Botox was today....

Perhaps the Plastic Surgeon didn't explain himself very well?

[Cheswick2.0]

44. I guess he never knew his wife was doing it either?

Maybe he doesn't pay attention to her either.

[mzmolly]

49. Errr, uhmmm, that'ssss what I hear...

;)

[Eurobabe]

38. maybe it's just removing

the weight of all that hair that was pressing down on his forehead? the media is just looking for a story. kerry's had the mo for a week now, time to give it to someone else. watch on tuesday.

[PAMod]

59. That's the best explanation I've heard yet.

He does have a good head of hair, no?

[xxqqqzme]

39. botox - schmotox

he colored his hair - he had a weave done to blend the grey. I have it done about every 12 weeks, probably won't last as long 4 a man tho, Plus his hair is styled differently, shorter on the sides 'n front and combed back OFF his face. Thats why he looks younger it's off his face.

[Minstrel Boy]

40. How fucked up is America

that this has become a matter of serious discussion?

"Did Kerry lie about botox?" is evidently of more pressing concern than "Did Bush lie about Iraq?" Even though we know the answer to the second question is "Good Lord, yes."

I'm not in Kerry's corner, but this appalls and disgusts me.

It's appalling that the right can so dominate the discourse with such trivial nonsense, and disgusting that some on the left have no qualms about adopting their talking points in order to score cheap shots.

[Vis Numar]

46. how fucked up is kerry that he is injecting toxins into his head?

Can't we nominate a real man?

[frustrated_lefty]

48. I agree with you,

but also wonder if he lies so cavalierly about small stuff, what can we expect on issues that matter?

[Vis Numar]

41. of course he lied about it

but just wait, SKinner and the new found censorship will be in here anymoment to lock the threa... can't attack Democrats now that Kerry is ahead.

[Cheswick2.0]

42. the only thing I find funny about it is this

the man calls himself the REAL DEAL. lol

[CWebster]

45. Reflection of character

artificial, vain, superficial, ego-driven phony.

[Cheswick2.0]

47. yup, there is that

Personally it goes along with his inability to take a position politically that Dean didn't take long before him. Kerry is running the same kind of scrummy campaign bush ran against McCain, push polling and all.

[mzmolly]

50. Yup...

you said it.

[David Zephyr]

51. It's Always "Personal" Attacks Against Democrats, Isn't It?

The GOP and their media cronies always are eager to get away from issues and policies where they lose.

And so phony issues of "character" (George H. Bush's choice word against Clinton in 1992) and personal traits are the way the Republicans change the argument.

This crap about "Botox" against Kerry is just the same crap about "alpha male" they used against another Vietnam Veteran, Al Gore. It's to make them less manly...against the chickenhawks.

And, of course, it's not the policies Dean advocates, it's his "anger" and "temperament".

Kerry will always be more of a real man than George W. Bush can ever dream to be --- botox or no botox.

[DemBones DemBones]

52. Who's calling it "Botoxgate"? People who'd like to avoid

talking about Howard Dean, who was supposed to be unstoppable, coming in 3rd in Iowa and 2nd in NH?

People who'd like to avoid talking about Howard Dean, who has assured national audiences he is "a great manager" who "can balance a budget,"
but now is revealed to have somehow not watched his campaign's books while it blew through $41 million?

People who'd like to avoid talking about Howard Dean, who is still trying to claim he's an "outsider" after being endorsed by Al Gore, Bill Bradley, Tom Harkin, et al., and hiring Roy Neel as his new campaign manager?

Anyone else care? I think this country needs to get over caring what candidates look like, what they do to improve their looks, what their wives look like, and all the other surface issues.

[CWebster]

58. Of course there is always Kucinich directing his supported to Edwards

It was his friend.

What does that say about Kucinich's shrill accusations and indignant stands about Iraq? Please.

[creativelcro]

53. This is BIG!!!! Kerry is finished!!!!

[progressivebydesign]

54. Patti Davis?

Is that Reagan's daughter? Is she a writer for MSNBC, or have I lost my mind. I'm not stirring up anything, but didn't Kerry date her between marriages? I swear I read that here last night. Am I hallucinating. I think the point of her story was to say "who cares!!!????". Really! I don't care if someone injects botox. I'd never get ten feet from that stuff.. Geez.. injecting poison into your face? Ever had food poisoning? It's botulism bacteria in small doses. I'm 44 and look, from what I've heard, to be mid-30s.. yet I have wrinkles on my forehead. Does that qualify me or disqualify me to be President? Who cares? I dont' care if Kerry has done this. We have plenty of other things to worry about.

[knight_of_the_star]

57. This is STUPID!!!

Not just STUPID, not just BLOODY STUPID, but BLOODY UNFUNCKINGBELIEVEABLY INANELY STUPID!!!

Gods, WHY is this an issue? WHY does it matter that a man MIGHT have lied about getting Botox? That is not even a non-issue, that's STUPID!!! Does it REALLY matter that he MIGHT have lied about getting Botox?

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