I've got IT! And by "It" I mean the destroy the GOP strategy, that will...

[Up2Late]

...leed to the self-destruction of the GOP. The only problem is, we need a brave House or Senate Democrat who is relatively unknown (nationally), is willing to take a BIG political risk, has STRONG Democratic support at home, and who wouldn't mind possibly being chosen President of the United States in 2008 by popular consensus.

As I'm sure you know by now, the GOP has captured a Huge number of swing/undecided voters by doing one thing: They keep their message simple, though I think they may have made it so simple as to make it VERY deceptive. Duh, right?

Here's the strategy. The GOP message is so over simplified that it can be easily proved as LIES! So let's just call them what they are, Lairs!

ALL REPUBLICANS ARE LIARS!

Now I know, some of you are going to say, "But my Brother's a Republican, and HE'S not a Lier." Shut-up! Yes he is.

And once we plant this simple truth in the MSM and the minds of the "undecided" voters, any Republican that claims He/She is NOT a lier will have to OFFER PROOF that they are NOT a lier, which, while doing so, will expose themselves and their fellow liars/Republicans as the lier they are.

If you need any proof of the FACT that Republicans are liars, just look around. Read the News from the last 5 years, everything they have said and done for the last 5 years is ALL based on Lies!

Yes, we might lose a few Democrats along the way, GOOD! I say Good riddens to them. They are a taint on the Democratic party. If this results in a house cleaning of corrupt Democrats too, I welcome it.

We need to STOP explaining how what we say is the truth, because what they say is ALL Lies, and it's time that the non-committed Democrats wake up to that fact. Let them try to explain why what they say is NOT a lie, they will only dig themselves deeper and deeper into the hole they are currently in.

So, for 2008: The Democratic party: The party of the Truth.:patriot:

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Everybody knows

Republicans lie about everything.

[mtnsnake]

4. Everyone knows, but still, it's not said often enough what liars they are

We need to take the offense, and this is one of the ways. Just like the other side made the phrase "flip flop" stick, we need to make the phrase "Republican liars" a part of American vocabulary.

"Fox Republican News"...Never mention the word Fox without the word Republican next to it

"Republican liars"...Never mention one word without the other. If it's said often enough and in the right places, they're automatically guilty by association

[Up2Late]

11. The polls say that their are 35% to 40% of Americans who...

...would say you're wrong.

Add in the other 15% to 25% of "swing voters" who are not sure, that makes 30% to 40% who need to learn this. The rest ARE the liars.

[creeksneakers2]

2. great idea n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

3. The problem, of course, is the corporate media.

Unless you have some other means of getting out the message. maybe just big billboards everywhere:
ALL REPUBLICANS ARE LIARS

[Up2Late]

10. That would work! That is, if you can find a Billboard not owned by...

...Clear Channel Outdoor advertising.

I think Viacom, the people who produce "The Daily Show" has Billboards too.

[Jackpine Radical]

13. You have to check locally.

In 2002 before the war, my little antiwar group took up a collection & put up a billboard that said "Peace is Patriotic." Cost us $500 & was up for several months.

[enid602]

32. good

This is good, but you really need to superimpose pictures of Abramoff, Frist, Delay and of course Bush in the background.

[McCamy Taylor]

5. Press wont play along. Need something they cant help but cover.

That is why GOP incompetence and crimes are such windfalls for the Dems. Katrina and Abramoff sell commercial airtime, so the press will cover them.

[Up2Late]

16. They WILL cover it if it's some little know Democrat calling ALL...

...Republicans Liars. That's why we need someone who won't be wishy-washy, and won't try to explain the Republican position for them.

[Burning Water]

25. Why would they pay

more attention to some "little known" Democrat, rather than some heavyweight known for his integrity?

That doesn't make any sense to me.

[Up2Late]

28. Because, and this is just my opinion...

...they (Fox "news") and most, if not all of the RW Hate radio loud mouths, would most likely have the attitude of, "who the hell does this guy think he is??? How dare he question "the president" and/or call US liars!" And as we have seen, CNN and MSNBC will most likely follow suite.

This is the kind of thing that would inflame the RW media, they would probably spend hours, if not Days on each word.

If you were never forced to listed to RW hate radio, consider yourself lucky, during most of the Clinton Years, I worked around a LOT of Hate Radio listeners.

[Burning Water]

33. I think that

if it were a no name Dem, they would just ignore him in the expectation that his remarks would fall into the black hole.

[niceypoo]

6. A blanket accusation won't work

BUT they do need to say "LIAR!" on an individual basis when Bush, Cheney etc blatantly lie.

[Up2Late]

14. It will work be cause they ARE liars, and would have to prove they...

...are NOT.

All Politicians lie in one way or another, the difference is, Democrats do it (or should) for the greater good, Republicans lie for the select few.

[Burning Water]

26. Democrats do it (or should) for the greater good

I don't know, but it seems to me that nobody who finds out she has been lied to, is likely to be happy about it. So I don't think Dems should lie, even for the greater good. We're either the Party of integrity, or we are not. If we are not, what makes us better than the Repukes?? And why should we lie? We have the better people, the better ideas. Just tell the truth.

Also, do you think the American people will decide the Repukes are "liars" just by us repeating it over and over. We've been doing that for years. Two additional things are needed. One, it has to be so. OK, it is so. Two, we have to get the proof, the evidence, out there. Concrete evidence not subject to several interpretations by people of ill-will. OK, and three, we have to have a vehicle to carry it for us. How to get it to the MSM? That's where the problem is, the corporate media.

If we just could get a fair shake on the MSM, we could convince the American people. In the meantime, we need to keep it up on such media as we can. The internet, AAR, etc.

[Up2Late]

29. I agree with everything you wrote here, and yes...

I do "...think the American people will decide the Repukes are "liars" just by us repeating it over and over..." That IS exactly what KKKarl Rove and the RW media has been doing for years, and it has worked, but against US.

It's time to seize the moment and flip it right back at them, the wish-washy middle will swallow it, Hook, line, and sinker.

[Burning Water]

35. Just because

it worked for them does not mean it will work for us. After all, the got there first. Besides, we should be better than them.

[Burning Water]

27. OK, here's why

it won[t work. They don't have to prove they are not liars. You have to prove that they are. Now this can be done because, well, they are. But it has to be shown, not just yelling "liars". That proves nothing, and just makes those who make such a claim without substantiating it into something despicable. Innocent until proven guilty, ever hear of that? Put the proof out there. Concentrate on individual politicians for specific lies. Not generic BS.

[Up2Late]

30. But they do and will. If their are any honest ReThugs, they will race...

...to Fox "news" to protest the blanket characterization, and if they are a honest Republican, good for them. But most of them will just set them selves up for their own downfall.

Usually the most guilty protest the loudest, when you are talking about ReThugs.

[Burning Water]

34. Still unless you

can and do provide specifics, they will just laugh off the accusations. Deservedly so. They won't try to refute them because you have provided no specifics to refute. Only if you provide something that they have to respond to will they do so.

For instance, despite the wealth of accusations, and the wealth of statistical studies, and the wealth of anecdotes, how far has the Democratic Party come in showing the general American public that election 2004 was stolen? Not very, would be my guess. And that's where there are specific allegations and supporting evidence.

So, as strong as the case is, and as little political progress as it has made, why would general accusations with no specifics and no supporting evidence do any better. If we had a monolithic liberal media, where the people couldn't get another point of view, maybe it would work. But almost the exact opposite seems to be true.

[Up2Late]

37. The problem with "...the 2004 was stolen..." argument is too complex...

...of a conspiracy to get much traction with the Fox "news" crowd, that's why it has to be simple and imprecise.

Before it can be explained, O'Liely or Hannity or whoever, is already pushing for a commercial break or just shouts it down as a "LW conspiracy theory."

Just look at the GOP/KKKarl strategy over the last 5-10 years, they kept it to:

1) Democrats are going to raise you taxes

2) Democrats are going to cut the Military, (which will make America less safe)

3) Democrats love Abortion because, they hate God and are anti-Family

4) Democrats want to take away your Guns

5) Democrats are going to destroy marriage by giving rights to Gay people

6) Repeat all of the above daily

See, none of these are 100% true, in fact, they are almost 100% false, but it give the 24/7 "news" channels what they need, something to talk about to fill in the gaps in NEW "news."

They used to use this crap to fill in between "Real" news, but now that Clinton is gone, they only cover news that doesn't really matter.

[Catchawave]

7. Understanding Rove's tactics....

Is repeat the lie often enough, people start believing it.

And we know how stupid/clueless/uninformed the majority of the voters are! I mean, Bush won the election based on who would you rather have a beer with :)

Just this week, we all thought Kerry was leading the filibuster from the ski slopes of Darvos ! He was at an economic conference...but the sheeple didn't bother to hear those details:mad:

[sam sarrha]

8. many are just passing on the party policy out of stupid blind faith..

which makes them uninformed propaganda wags...

[Greyhound]

9. The Democrats cannot follow this strategy because they themselves

have spent decades lying to the sheeple. Pot & Kettle you know.

[Up2Late]

17. Democrats who lie, do it for the RIGHT reasons, those who don't...

...Bu-Buy!:hi:

Time to clean house of the DINO's

[Greyhound]

18. Oh please, the "right reasons"? I agree it's way past time for a

thorough house cleaning and fundamental reform, but there is no one or either party even whispering about it. BTW, it is the heinous lies of the Democrats in the 60's and 70's that led to the re:puke:s rise to power in the 80's and after.

[Up2Late]

22. Maybe I should re-phrase what I said, I agree with you on most of...

...what you wrote, and don't really know what you are referring to as far as Democrat liars.

If you are talking about guys like former Ohio Congressman James Traficant, or the guy from New Jersey who was forced out a few years ago, those are the guys that I want out of the party in in Jail, where I think both of them currently are, but if you are talking about Democrats that get caught up in "sex scandals" or other personal matters, I don't think those types of lies are any of our business.

Other lies that I think are O.K. are the "State Secrets" type, as long as they are obeying the pre-2001 laws. The lies that truly protect the country, or are to help most American, are O.K. with me. Unfortunately, it's been so long since I heard the latter, it's hard to think of any examples.

[Greyhound]

31. We do agree, I've become very sensitive to politiwhores lying to

us in the last 5 years, so I can over-react to it sometimes. I, like many other Americans, desperately need candidates that will return to the principles of representation that were practiced, by and large, by our legislators until the 80's. You know, the old, loyal opposition, we can disagree on issues agreeably, etc. It is this take no prisoners, all dissent must be crushed, attitude that the re:puke:s started, that has destroyed our political system and resulted in the mess we have today.
OK, rambling, must be time for bed. Anyway, it is so nice to have a discourse with like-minded people, it is all that keeps me sane (sort of)

[mtnsnake]

19. That was then. This is now

Big difference. What matters most is what's going on now, not what we did or didn't do in past decades. Republicans have to be put in their places.

[Greyhound]

20. Self-delete, dupe.

[Greyhound]

21. Continue to ignore the past and you will see it again, and again,

and again, and again...
All it would accomplish is a giant clusterfuck of who lied about what when, until the sheeple get bored and move on to the new amerikan idol.

[depakid]

12. Problem is- the Dems enable them

and so most people believe that they're liars too. And some are.

That's why as long as the DINO's and DLC'rs have so much influence, the Dems will lose- and keep losing.

[PBass]

15. Perhaps not the right tagline

but I've been thinking about the notorious "reality based community" dig, from a few months ago.

We need to turn that equation around 100%. Progressives need to ACT and let the right wing spend their time interpretting what the left is doing. By the time the right have explained it to themselves, progressives have already moved on and acted again...

This is one of the things I like about the move to filibuster Alito... lets take action and leave the other side to stand around analyzing "what does it mean".

No matter what happens with Alito this week, I think we must all stay engaged and find ways to keep on being "pro-active", especially in ways that challenge the far right in a very direct way.

[Up2Late]

23. kick n/t

:kick:

[rucky]

24. You're assuming that rank-and-file aren't ok with lying.

They are ok with lying, as long as the gays don't get married.

[DanCa]

36. The party of truth. I like that slogan :

Kicked and Nominated.