Nightmare thought: What if bush just doesn’t leave????

[El Fuego]

When I hear right-wing idiots defending warrantless domestic spying, I want to say “What about when a dem is president? Huh? Do you want a democratic president to have to power to eavesdrop on political enemies?” (They already say democrats are with the terrorists,as in “y’all’s’ either wit’ us or agin’ us,” so I think it’s a given.)

Then it hit me: the bush administration doesn’t anticipate democrat ever being president, because maybe...they just don’t plan on leaving.
What if this administration just doesn’t step down?! (Welcome to my nightmare.):scared:

The groundwork for the rationalization is already being laid: It’s a time of war, and the old rule of law just doesn’t apply for time being, bush has to what is necessary to Keep the Country Safe. He respects the constitution, he really does, but that tired old quaint antiquated document has to be put on the shelf for a while, because he has to Keep the Country Safe. The constitution is just so 9/10, it served us well in the olden days, but this is a scary new millenium. bush has to have the power to take whatever action he thinks will Keep the Country Safe. Because, you know, it’s a Time of War. And the president has unlimited executive powers in a Time of War.

I don’t think they would muck around the formalities with getting the 22nd amendment repealed and stealing another election. He’ll just go on television and announce that in order to Keep the Country Safe, he has to postpone future presidential elections until the war on terrorism is won. He’ll say that a transfer of power right now will embolden the terrorists. (The only thing keeping the ter-rists at bay is the fear of this ruthless torturing, war waging administration! If badass bush isn’t sheriff, all hell will break lose in ‘Merica!) So he’s is going to do America a giant favor and just stay president for the time being. To Keep the Country Safe.

Outrageous? Maybe, but the actions of this administration and the republican party have become so outrageous that it’s not much of a stretch, it would almost seem like the culmination of a incremental progression toward one-party dictatorial rule. The level of outrageousness is already so far off the scale with this administration it’s surreal. Calling off elections would be just another Nuclear Option.

All it will take to pull it off is a compliant military, and an ignorant apathetic public.

bush didn’t enter office as a constitutionally elected president, he was installed there by Scalia’s bizarro-world interpretation of the equal protection clause. People have forgotten that there really was a coup d’état in 2000. And I can envision the day when the bush administration will just throw off all pretense that this is anything but an imperial presidency.

:scared::scared:

[benburch]

1. I've been saying this since 2002.

I don't think he ever intends to leave office, because if he did he might be held accountable for his crimes.

[Warpy]

3. I said it in December, 2000

Any man who was willing to go to the lengths he did to steal an office he was not qualified for and did not earn will not leave it according to the rule of law and the will of the people. He voided both to get in and won't mind doing it again to stay in.

I've always had a persistent vision of him getting the Mussolini treatment, one I found troubling because I knew how bad things would have to get for that to happen. They are right on schedule, though.

[Vincardog]

4. WE MAKE HIM

[1620rock]

8. It's a plausible scenario. n/t

[guruoo]

32. They've bet the farm on maintaining power permanently, whether

through Shrub, or another designated stooge.

[Seen the light]

2. Let's not make a jump quite that dramatic yet

They realize that doing something like that would wake people up (at least most people). That's probably still a few decades a way. They'll settle for getting their people in power through fraudulent elections for now.

[HereSince1628]

13. The IRW authorization gave him the power.

Expect him to declare that as CIC he has inherent constitutional power as well as a Christian obligation to protect the country and to pursue the Global War on Terror.

He cannot in good conscience hand the responsibility of the war to someone with no previous experience as CIC.

[gator_in_Ontario]

5. Oh he'll leave

Jeb and his sons are comin' up!

[Syrinx]

6. people are bound to mock you on here, but I won't

The only defense is the military, and they've purged the military and installed loyalists. And if they get Alito, all bets are off.

[LiberalEsto]

11. Do you think the military rank and file support the * crowd?

Do you think they would shoot fellow Americans to defend a regime where troops don't get body armor or proper equipment or decent medical care or veteram benefits or jobs?

Just wondering.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

23. Know how many regular folks work for Wackenhut?

Or similiar outfits?

They would just be employees doin' their job.
AND no UCMJ to check them...

[GrumpyGreg]

7. Never happen,he'll be gone in 3 years.

[Janice325]

9. You're not alone.

I've wondered the same thing for some time now, that something will "happen," he'll declare martial law, never "surrender" the White House, and we'd be stuck permanently with him.
That's a chilling thought.

[guruoo]

34. And they will cast that "something" as

"leftist terrorism".
See this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=200387

[FormerRepublican]

10. They're rubbing their hands together over a potential bird flu pandemic...

They'll get to do a bunch of things they often dream about -

1. Lock Americans up in camps (for their own safety - yeah, right).
2. Use the military to push Americans around (yikes, it's mass panic)
3. Watch all the poor people die because they kept the vaccines for their cronies
4. Stay in power with suspended elections during the period of "instability" (yeah, right), and use it as an excuse to establish a dictatorship "for our own good".

The list of how a pandemic related social disruption would fit so perfectly with their plans for world domination probably keeps them up late at night in eager anticipation.

I don't trust Bush and his pals for a second.

[seabeyond]

12. then finally, maybe people will really believe us when we say

he broke the law. lol lol. about all americans know 2 terms

[TomInTib]

14. I am afraid it will only take one more "attack" of any magnitude...

for the 28% that would (at present)go along with the suspension of the Constitution to swell to a much larger number.

I also know a lot of very sharp, extremely well informed people that have feared this from Day One (Sept 12, 2001).

I also fear that Americans are too fat, lazy, complacent and incompetent to take it to the streets.

[Faux pas]

15. My thoughts exactly since he was handed the office in 2000. n/t

[NYCGirl]

16. After 9/11, Giuliani wanted to postpone that November's NY elections.

Bottom line — he had no support to do that even from the Republicans, and he had to leave. The same with this crowd.

[FormerRepublican]

18. Giuliani wasn't the only one. Bush himself floated the idea of...

...suspended elections after the terror alerts prior to election 2004. There was such an outcry and scoffing that he shut up. No doubt he's still plotting, though...

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. They were just testing the waters

pushing the limits to see how much they could get away with.

[guruoo]

35. Exactly.

[NYCGirl]

41. Obviously,

Giuliani didn't get away with much, since he's no longer mayor.

[joanski0]

17. That's exactly what I think. That's why

I'm so afraid of Alito getting in there. * will never leave!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. There was a lot of similar speculation about Nixon

when the Supremes ordered him to turn over the secret White House tapes. Many people thought he'd refuse to do it, which would have brought about a Constitutional crisis and inevitable impeachment. We actually wondered if Nixon would use the Army and/or refuse to leave if he was impeached. After all, Nixon is the guy who said "It isn't illegal if the President does it."

As it happened, of course, Nixon obeyed the court order and turned over the tapes, then finally resigned when it became apparent he would be impeached.

But Bush is an even worse criminal than Nixon, so who knows what he'd do?

[El Fuego]

21. And during the Nixon era the press had a spine

Now, the MSM is full of corporate shills just playing every story for the ratings. And Nixon didn't have the likes of Faux News as a cheerleading section.

[napi21]

20. Sorry folks, the Pubs said this about Clinton too!

I remember hearing all of them saying how much he loved being Pres and being in the WH. They were paranoid about something he would pull to make sure he would never leave.

You're being paranoid now too!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

22. The question is not whether we are too paranoid.

It's whether we are paranoid enough.

[El Fuego]

24. It is just recreational speculation but

This administration has NEVER failed to far exceed my worst fears.

[El Fuego]

27. Clinton??

If Clinton were inclined to defy the rule of law like bush, he would have not cooperated with the independent counsel. He could have refused to appoint an independent counsel at all! Clinton's downfall was that in the end he had TOO MUCH respect for the law.

[guruoo]

36. They didn't believe that

[Cleita]

26. The powers behind the puppet are certainly positioning themselves

to destroy our democracy into something more business friendly for them. I really am not worried about Bush as much as taking down those who are backing him.

Many of the members of these think tanks, The Carlyle Group, The Heritage Foundation and The Project for a New American Century have been operating outside of the law many times. I really wish someone who can indict individuals on their boards, would do so.

If they don't, they will succeed in changing the laws and the Constitution in so many ways that when they do commit crimes it will be legal.

[El Fuego]

37. The PNAC needs bush in office

Without bush, the PNAC agenda is lost. The invasion of Iraq was only the beginning of the PNAC strategy to make America a global imperial military power. If (God forbid) another republican is elected president, they're not necessarily going to appoint PNAC neocons like Rumsfeld and Libby to the administration. Once bush leaves office, the PNAC loses power. Did they really see their stint as just an 8 year run? They are the Project for a New American CENTURY after all.

You have to wonder just how much influence and control these groups really have.

[Cleita]

39. They don't have to do it with George Bush. There are other

puppets they can push up there, Jeb Bush for one.

[Swamp Rat]

28. I expect Bushler will eventually declare martial law and announce that he

is "President for Life." I will be shocked if they even allow another mock election in 2008.

[CJCRANE]

29. Doesn't seem outrageous to me.

Just look at the '04 election -

Kerry won the debates
Kerry won in the opinion polls
Kerry won in the exit polls

...all the traditional signs and omens pointed to a Kerry victory...but somehow

Bush won the election !!??

[Auntie Bush]

30. What's prevent him from signing another executive order declaring

himself President because it's his job/responsibility as President/CiC
to protect this country from terrorists. If he has the nerve to sign an Ex. order that he can spy on Americans, then I see that could easily be his next step...or he'll take several baby steps but land in the same place...meet Bush 44! :scary:

[MissWaverly]

31. didn't he say that God wanted him to be president after 9-11

I don't see how we the people fit into that equation, it is the rationale of kings
that they were appointed by God.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. They'll just have someone else to replace him

He's just a talking head so they'll find someone else to replace him for their mission. Whomever is the one who can suck ass the best. Looks like John McCain is really trying for that.

[CJCRANE]

38. But can McCain stick to the talking points?

He seems to wander out of line occasionally and have his own opinions.

A neocon stooge needs to be able to spout nonsense 100% of the time.

[Cleita]

40. I won't be McCain, or he would have been the candidate in 2000.

I think that adopted dark baby has a lot to do with why they won't back him. These are very racist people. Nazis usually are. However, they might put Jeb up there and how about the talk about Arnold? What if they get an ammendment passed so he can be president?