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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:45 PM
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Dean Campaign-why we're in it until the convention
Many of you who post here do not read any of the speeches Gov. Dean makes; nor do you spend any time on our website http://www.deanforamerica.com

I accept that. I admit I think I know enough about John Kerry since I worked with him many years ago and have felt myself wondering where that guy went as I kept abreast of his progress , feeling somewhat personally invested in the guy. So I won't be visiting his website any time soon.

But Howard Dean's constituency is different. WE are the campaign, WE keep it alive, and WE say when it is over, not John Kerry, not Ted Koppel. US. Until we get what we want,which is fundamental change of the system, and more importantly, the feeling THAT WE HAVE TAKEN OUR COUNTRY BACK.

I'm not alone in this sentiment. Here's an excerpt from a random letter from a volunteer in our campaign that expresses all the feelings we have, and why you will find yourselves in August wondering where our strength came from.

"If there is any talk or thought about dropping out of the campaign in the near future, forget it. You told us it was our campaign and
therefore you have to consult us before you do anything other than continue on. You polled us about the spending limits so you need to poll us about any questions about future campaigning.

You need to go to the Democratic Convention with delegates. You will have them as you know. You represent what is best about the Democratic Party and you need to be at the convention with delegates committed to you in their seats ready to tell the so-called leadership that the party no longer belongs to them but to us.All of us who give a damn about what is happening to our country.

You need to go to the Democratic Convention so that all those younger people that you have inspired can see you tell the leadership and the country that the old ways will no longer suffice, that we want democracy back in the Democratic Party and in our country.

The country, once again, needs to hear your side of the issues, on
television, without the interpretation of pundits and fellow
Democrats. I have written letters to folks in Iowa, New Hampshire and New Mexico and told them that this is the most important election in my lifetime as it will determine the nature of the United States of America for the near future and possibly for all time. Even if ultimately you do not win, you (we) have already made changes, you (we) can continue to make changes at the convention, and you (we) can continue to make changes after the convention
and after the election.

There is always a time when a campaign is over and the campaigner
must concede that the fat lady has sung. But that is not now nor will it be until the final vote is taken at the convention.

Your campaign is about more than electing Howard Dean for president. It is about bringing hope back to the country. It is about bringing citizen participation back to the political process. It is about shaping policies that benefit the nation as a whole, including the poor, disabled, the young and old. It is about repairing the damage that has been done in the international arena. It is about bringing rationality back to our economic system.

So you continue to campaign and we will too. Continue to speak out
and we will too. And hopefully I will see you in Boston as a Dean Delegate."

Do you get it yet?


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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:50 PM
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1. We are here and there until the end - The Whitehouse
Woooo Hooooo

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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:58 PM
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3. were Near and were here.
and we're not going anywhere.
Deal with it.
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 04:00 PM
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30. And yet Dean still has more delegates. But I bet you won't be
reading that in your newspaper anytime soon.

It's time to see how good of a fundraiser Kerry really is. This is going to be a long, expensive campaign.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 05:17 PM
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36. Stand proud with your DLC pro-war, pro-establishment candidate. There
are many who will not support the pro-war candidates. There are many who will not support the pro-war DLC crowd. The ONLY reason that many, many people, including myself, have taken any notice of this race is because a man, Dean, is opposed by the DLC & the repubs. The DLC site, today, is sickening. Go look.

Dean '04...
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 06:12 PM
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39. Deal with this
Total votes garnered to-date:

Kerry: About 130,000
Dean: About 100,000
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:10 AM
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51. LOL
Why are you still so threatened by Dean, by the way? Does a grassroots organization threaten one financed by a rich republican woman (and who never earned one cent of it)?

neener. neener. neener.
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kayob1 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:57 PM
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2. I'm with you!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:58 PM
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4. I'm with you, guys!
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:07 PM
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8. May The Force Be With You Howard Dean
We of the letter writing, blogging, driving to nearby states force of Dean will be here to answer our call to arms.

May The Force Be With You Howard Dean

(watch Kerry steal that one)


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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:02 PM
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5. I think howard dean actually says when it's over...i'm thinking right

after he loses the WI primary (caucases?)

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:02 PM
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6. strategy wise
i think people are going to be so surprised once we get past this tuesday. if we can just keep our heads above water, the width and depth of the dean campaign will show. we are built for the long haul, which is what the primary process IS SUPPOSED TO BE. 50 states, not 2, or even 7. and once again- howard's leadership shows through- an intelligent and practical game plan. no mortgagin the house- a real eye on the real score (delegates, not pundits) and taking the message to as many people as you can.
and i for one am in no real hurry to see the "weaker" candidates drop out. they embody important viewpoints and ideas that deserve to have their strength tested and shown.

ps, bumpersticker still available free.
give 'em howl
yeeeearrrgghhh!!!
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:03 PM
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7. With you
until the finish line. It's not even clooose to over. We still have something more valueable that money. Hundreds of thousands of volunteers fighting to elect Dean. As long as they endure, we must endure.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:09 PM
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9. Go Howard!
America needs Howard Dean.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:19 PM
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13. I am with Dean all the way
I just wonder why the people say they want their country back and are sick of the higher ups in the party dictating the show and feel so violated when the Dems have rolled over time and time again still want more of the same? Why call the Repugs sheeple if you are doing the same as they are? Forget about the man for a change listen to the message. All should be echoing the same message it is about the future of this country and not just a man. Some people court change, some run from change,and some talk change as a good subject but really don't want change. Try as you might to change it but change will come!
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:10 PM
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10. We're going to Washington DC to take back the White House!
YEEEAAAAAAGGHHHHHH!!!! :bounce:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:17 PM
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:18 PM
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12. I'm there with The Doctor until this thing is over.....
all the way to the WH!!:bounce:
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:23 PM
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14. now, if only the rest of the country cared
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 02:23 PM by Magic Rat
As much about Howard Dean as his supporters do, he might actually win a state or two.

If Howard Dean keeps going from state-to-state, taking 10% here, 15% there then he'll get some delegates.

But in the end he'll be getting the political equivilent of a tip - a 15% gratuity for fine service to the Democratic party.

If that's what he wants, fine.

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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:48 PM
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19. LOL
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:38 PM
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15. "Do you get it yet?" ..Yes, Dean offers no substantial change..
I have seen this a lot lately. People exclaiming how Dean is going to save us all and take back the country. And telling us those that do not support Dean are afraid of change. Except that Dean's record, words, actions, and stated policies are not much change at all.

Where does Dean bring change concerning:

NAFTA?
Illegal occupation of Iraq?
Patriot Act?
Military spending?
Death Penalty?
Health Insurance?
Medical Marijuana?
etc.

I think these are all important questions. I keep hearing that I am spineless because I do not support Howard Dean. Yet how much spine does it take to support no real change? We cannot confuse the campaign with the candidate here. The Dean campaign is one thing, but that one thing is not what Dean stands for.

TWL
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:51 PM
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20. Dean* - "We're in this till the convention!!!"
* = Another line taken from the Kucinich campaign.

"Fear Ends, HOPE begins."

:) :) :)
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:16 PM
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22. I didn't bring that up, but noticed it right away.
TWL
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Zinnola Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:42 PM
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16. Dean to the end
I want to be able to vote for him here in California!

YEEEEEAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:46 PM
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17. I get it
You care more about Howard Dean's collapsing "campaign" than you do about uniting behind a candidate who can actually beat Bush and win the White House in November.

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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 02:52 PM
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21. No, I care about the country and the future of the Dem Party
Putting up a guy who the corporate media decides is "Safe" enough to lose like a gentleman to *

That is not my idea of a good strategy.

I didn't see Kerry dropping out to "unite behind the candidate" when he was polling in the 7% range last month.

as to your electability meme, Dean, Kerry and Clark were doing equally well in a match-up with George Bush, at 40, 41, and 41 percent, respectively in Last Months Newsweek poll. There was no statistical basis to single out Dean as unelectable.

There WAS however , lots of motivation from a corporate standpoint.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:18 PM
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23. Three recent polls show Kerry beating Bush
None have Dean beating Bush. Not one.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 04:36 PM
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32. Post media smackdown polls?
How errrrrr......coincidental......
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:48 AM
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45. how is Kerry going to beat bush?
If Dean drops out he will have no one to pretest his material for him.
Kerry can't beat bush, he doesn't have the guts.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:23 PM
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25. Whatever reason you're in it til the end,
Dean's in it to try to salvage his image and self-respect, after squandering 40 million dollars and countless hours and pages of fawning media attention. As was true from day one, Dean is in it for Dean.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:38 PM
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26. I'm supporting Kerry
But you've got to feel sorry for Dean. Here's a guy who raised and spent tens of millions of dollars and is unlikely to win even a single primary or caucus. Incredible.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:52 PM
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27. Honestly, I don't.
Dean's almost complete lack of scruples and overweening arrogance make him fair game for any mishap, as far as I'm concerned. He was repeatedly warned that he was going down the wrong path, and refused to listen. And as for his lying and PT Barnum campaign, anyone who would do that deserves to become a laughingstock of historic proportions.
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:58 PM
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29. Yes Billy, must not upset the status quo.
They know what's best.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 04:59 PM
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34. So according to that logic, the choice is between the 'status quo,'
and a lying, arrogant guy who has proved unable to manage 40 million bucks, let alone the most powerful economy the world has ever seen. Guess which one the voters would choose? Oh wait -- the voters don't count. This is all about anger and inflated meetup numbers, and red-faced finger jabbing, and pretending to be a liberal after a life spent as an anti-liberal, and yelling, and donation paperwork that's 'taller than I am.' It isn't an election; it's a circus sideshow so voters be damned.

And after wracking up all those 'Washington insider' endorsements, Dean is the anti-status quo candidate? It's delusional -- and delusions are one of the reasons Dean has failed.
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 05:41 PM
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37. Since I reject your premise,
I doubt if we can find common ground.

Strangely, I am not upset by this development.

Good luck to you, BillyBunter. :hi:



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nightperson Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 03:56 PM
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28. Well,
remember when he got into the race he didn't think he'd win anything. Does anyone remember? He was never supposed to do as well as he has. He greatly exceeded expectations. He's the "overachiever"! I worry that he at some point began "believing his own press clippings" as they say. His poor wife probably thought that it would be interesting for him to run but that his campaign would be more or less over by now and she could relax.
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 04:11 PM
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31. Dean's success is a result of his support
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 04:22 PM by FubarFly
There are a lot of people in the Democratic Party who are furious with our Washington establishment. Dean has earned the right to give us a voice. If the leadership doesn't realize that we need to be acknowledged in a positive way, then the Party is in major trouble. It's actually getting to the point where it may be beyond Dean's control to stop.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 05:16 PM
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35. As a Dean Supporter
I must say I enjoy watching the smugness of the Kerry folks. But you will not beat Bush without our support, so Kerry needs to be careful of who he pisses off on his way to the nomination. We are a power base he ignores at his peril. You can take that however you want.
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kayob1 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:38 AM
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44. Good point.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 04:40 PM
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33. Yep, F the push polling, corporate media, dirty campaign tricks
this won't be a free ride for the *buy yourself the Presidency* bunch.

:toast:

Im with Dean all the way to the OO.
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 06:09 PM
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38. Kick
In case any Dean supporter hasn't seen this.
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ACPS65 Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 06:14 PM
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40. DEAN
ial! :D
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 06:36 PM
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41. I approve of this message
and will support Dean to the full extent. Kerry will not get my vote even if he is the nominee. This election is for the very basis of Democracy in this country and I will not be voting for a media selected candidate or a skull and bones candidate (not much difference I suppose).
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nightperson Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 07:09 PM
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43. I must point out
that whatever our faults, Kerry supporters just don't talk like this. So many Dean supporters do. There is a huge gulf between these two views of what it means to be a Democrat.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 06:45 PM
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42. Kick... Because "I get it!"
:kick:
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:51 AM
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46. I get it too
:hi: Good morning
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:21 AM
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47. This post is defeatist. Ain't nothing over yet.
Maybe one of these days the media will actually have a look at what Kerry has stood for the past two years.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:55 AM
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48. Howard Dean's name will be on my ballot
Therefore I will vote for him on March 9.

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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:17 AM
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49. Okay

But where's the beef?

I really can't see what a Dean campaign representative would have to say at the Convention of substance. 'Hey, it was a power rush, we admit there weren't any actual new ideas let alone principles, but man was it fun while it lasted'? 'Ok, we "empowered" ourselves and did computer stuff, it was a wierd revival meeting without a Bible or quaint tents!' 'Hey, we preached against the DLC fervently, then thought the better of it and have served Al Gore's fight with the Clintons since!'


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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:26 AM
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50. Thanks for posting Cap'n
It's sad to see so many "progressives" trashing Dean and standing up for a fascist enabler.

I hope Dean keeps causing a commotion among the establishment for a long time to come. Time to wake up the real progressives in America.

Julie
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